Posted by Bob on March 29, 1999 at 23:20:22:
In Reply to: more on evolution posted by rpcman on March 29, 1999 at 11:20:07:
: : I appreciate the sources of information you have provided (I will read some of them)
: Why not read them all?
: : There was a time when evolutions didn't try to separate them...
: Can you support this claim? Who has said that Darwinian selection is the same as abiogenesis?
: : Why have they gone to "Directed panspermia"
: Who has gone to this?
: : and "Punctuated equilibria"?
: You grossly misunderstand PE. Try reading a work by someone who has actually written about the theory from a scientific standpoint (like Gould).
: : Because "thorough testing" and "scientific corroboration" has forced them there, where their theory cannot be tested.
: Again, you obviously haven't read the tests or corroborations or your assertion that the theory can't be tested would not be made. Try a textbook on the subject for starters.
: : ...Human beings specifically.
: I've addressed this previously as well as recommend several books on the subject.
: : 1) noted scientists made statements that life by chance is appparently impossible.
: And I asked for your better theory and you still haven't given it. I've also shown how your 'noted' scientist statements were incorrect and/or distorted based on what they really think.
: : 2)Transitional forms have not been found linking man to apes.
: This is absolutely untrue as you will find out if you bother to follow all the links in the posts I have made on the subject.
: : 3) Several hoaxes were used in the absence of scientific evidence.
: This means nothing. Hoaxes have been used to 'prove' that supernatural powers exist on countless occassions but this does not disprove the supernatural.
: : You have provided nothing that refutes these , or supports your charge that I misquoted and distorted.
: Yes I have. You just haven't bothered to follow the links I've provided.
: : 1. Yes, Fred Hoyle believes in evolution. I didn't say he doesn't, and
: : 2. I didn't say he believes in God. (I just used the word "evolution", does that make me a believer in it?) The apparent contradiction is his, not mine.
: Lying is not effective when your original post is still readily available for all to read. I quote from your original post, "Hoyle, a life long atheist, went on to say that the only way life could have come to pass is through the application of a very high order of intelligence which we may call God."
The only thing more foolish that attempting to lie with the record staring one in the face is to accuse someone while it remains. Any fool can see that, "...a high order of intelligence which WE MAY CALL God." does not equal "I believe in God." The issue is, did he say it. That is what you keep avoiding. Thus far we have a lot of your unsubstantiated opinions and a long list of things, in your opinion, that I should read. Do your own homework! The only lie here is the one you have swallowed hook, line and sinker.
The real problem you have is with that little word "God"; you are threatened by the idea that someone in the universe might be more intelligent than you presume yourself to be.