Hinckley's Record as a Prophet

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  • user warning: Table './exmo_08072012/cache_filter' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = '<p>steve benson June 2013</p>\n<p>From the Flip-Flop-It \"Prophet\":</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley defends historic doctrinal Mormon racism but says he doesn\'t understand the basis for it.</p>\n<p>Plus, other GBH gems</p>\n<p>on such Mormon-mangled topics as:</p>\n<p>-women;</p>\n<p>-prophetic revelation;</p>\n<p>-LDS group-think;</p>\n<p>-garments;</p>\n<p>-the Book of Mormon;</p>\n<p>-LDS Christianity;</p>\n<p>-full-time missionary aversion to sex;</p>\n<p>-the Mormon Church and politics;</p>\n<p>-Internet smut;</p>\n<p>-the 1950s;</p>\n<p>-other churches;</p>\n<p>-coffee;</p>\n<p>-God\'s wife;</p>\n<p>-the Mormon personal parade to godhood;</p>\n<p>-Mormon weirdness;</p>\n<p>-how to predict, respond to or end wars; and last but not least</p>\n<p>-all those \"I don\'t knows\"<br />\n_____</p>\n<p>--We Thank Thee, Oh God, for Mumbo-Jumbo</p>\n<p>Below are extraordinarily egg-faced excerpts from an exchange between David Ransom, of the Australian Broadcasting Company news show \"Compass,\" and LDS Church president Gordon B. Hinckley.<br />\n_____</p>\n<p>--First, Hinckley\'s defense of Mormon racism against Blacks:<br />\nBlacks Didn\'t Deserve the Priesthood in the Past but Hinckley Doesn\'t Know Why</p>\n<p>DR: Now up until 1978 I understand Blacks were not allowed to be priests in your Church?</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: That is correct. Although we have Black members of the Church. They felt that they would gain more in this Church than any other with which they were acquainted and they were members of the Church. In 1978 we (the president of the Church) received a revelation under which all worthy men would receive all the blessings of the Church available to them as well as to any others. So across the world now we are teaching the Gospel to Blacks, Whites, everyone else who will listen.<br />\nDR: So, in retrospect, was the Church wrong in that?</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: No, I don\'t think it was wrong. It things, various things happened in different periods. There\'s a reason for them.</p>\n<p>DR: What was the reason for that?</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: I don\'t know what the reason was. But I know that we\'ve rectified whatever may have appeared to be wrong at that time.</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: No, I don\'t think so. I don\'t see that anywhere. I\'ve been to Africa. I\'ve been to other places. I don\'t see any evidence of that any more. There\'s some misconception of course that among some people. But I don\'t see much evidence of that any more.<br />\n_____</p>\n<p>--Continuing on the subject of Mormon prejudice, here\'s what Hinckley had to say about not giving LDS women the priesthood:</p>\n<p>\"Happy\" Mormon Women Don\'t \"Agitate\" for the Mormon Male Priesthood</p>\n<p>DR: At present women are not allowed to be priests in your Church. Why is that?</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: That\'s right, because the Lord has put it that way. Now women have a very prominent place in this Church. They have there own organisation. Probably the largest women\'s organisation in the world of 3.7 million members. And the women of that organisation sit on Boards. Our Board of Education--things of that kind. They counsel with us. We counsel together. They bring in insight that we very much appreciate and they have this tremendous organization of the world where they grow and if you ask them they\'ll say, \"We\'re happy and we\'re satisfied.\"</p>\n<p>DR: They all say that?</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: Yes. All except, ah, oh, you\'ll find a little handful one or two here and there, but in 10 million members you expect that.</p>\n<p>DR: You say the Lord has put it that way. What do you mean by that?</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: I mean that\'s a part of His program. Of course it is, yes.</p>\n<p>DR: Is it possible that the rules could change in the future as the rules are on Blacks ?</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: He could change them, yes. If He were to change them that\'s the only way it would happen.</p>\n<p>DR: So, you\'d have to get a revelation?</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: Yes. But there\'s no agitation for that. We don\'t find it. Our women are happy. They\'re satisfied. These bright, able, wonderful women who administer their own organisation are very happy. Ask them. Ask my wife.</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: Are you happy? (to his wife . . . )</p>\n<p>Mrs. H: Very happy! (laughs)<br />\n_____</p>\n<p>--On the matter of how Hinckley gets revelation directly from God to run the Mormon Church, Hinckley says the Church actually doesn\'t need much of it:</p>\n<p>DR: As the world leader of the the Church, how are you in touch with God? Can you explain that for me?</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: I pray. I pray to Him. Night and morning. I speak with Him. I think He hears my prayers. As He hears the prayers of others. I think He answers them.</p>\n<p>DR: But more than that, because you\'re leader of the Church. Do you have a special connection?</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: I have a special relationship in terms of the Church as an institution. Yes.</p>\n<p>DR: And you receive--</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: For the entire Church.</p>\n<p>DR: You receive?</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: Now we don\'t need a lot of continuing revelation. We have a great, basic reservoir of revelation. But if a problem arises, as it does occasionally, a vexatious thing with which we have to deal, we go to the Lord in prayer. We discuss it as a First Presidency and as a Council of the Twelve Apostles. We pray about it and then comes the whisperings of a still small voice. And we know the direction we should take and we proceed accordingly.</p>\n<p>DR: And this is a revelation?</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: This is a revelation.</p>\n<p>DR: How often have you received such revelations?</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: Oh, I don\'t know. I feel satisfied that in some circumstances we\'ve had such revelation. It\'s a very sacred thing that we don\'t like to talk about a lot. A very sacred thing.</p>\n<p>DR: But it\'s a special experience?</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: I think it\'s a real thing. It\'s a very real thing. And a special experience.<br />\n_____</p>\n<p>--On the subject of intellectual freedom, Mormons are allowed to question, but they really prefer the higher road of conformity:</p>\n<p>DR: There does seem to be [among Mormons] . . . an uncritical acceptance of a conformist style?</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: Uncritical? No. Not uncritical. People think in a very critical way before they come into this Church. When they come into this Church they\'re expected to conform. And they find happiness in that conformity.</p>\n<p>DR: But not allowed to question?</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: If what?</p>\n<p>DR: They\'re not allowed to question?</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: Oh, they are allowed to question. Look, this Church came of intellectual dissent. We maintain the largest private university in America.</p>\n<p>DR: And that continues to this day?</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: 27,000 students.</p>\n<p>DR: And that dissent continues to that this day?</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: Oh, absolutely, absolutely. We expect people to think for themselves. Now, if they get off and begin to fight the Church and that sort of thing, as one or two do now and again, we simply disfellowship them and go our way. But those cases are really very, very few.<br />\n_____</p>\n<p>--Then there\'s the magical Mormon underwear, which Hinckley admits to wearing for what he thinks might be its possible protective properties:</p>\n<p>DR: Um, look, I don\'t want to be indelicate here but this, um, American \"60 minutes\" program did deal with this business about the spiritual undergarments. I must ask you, what are they? And do you wear them?</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: The spiritual what?</p>\n<p>DR: The spiritual undergarments?</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: Oh, well, that\'s simple--Many people wear particular types of clothing. Many religions. The Jews do. Vestments of various kind worn by other Religions. It isn\'t an unusual thing at all. It\'s sacred. We regard it as such. It\'s a token as it were of our membership in the Church and our eligibility to go to the Temple.</p>\n<p>DR: And the sacred undergarments protect you?</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: Oh, I think so. Yes.</p>\n<p>DR: Do you wear them?</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: Yes.</p>\n<p>DR: All the time?</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: Yes.</p>\n<p>DR: And, and have you--</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: They\'re very comfortable.</p>\n<p>DR: Have you ever received protection from them?</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: Protection from them? Oh, I think so. I\'m 86 years of age and going on 87 and I\'m still here.<br />\n_____</p>\n<p>--About the Book of Mormon, Hinckley says there\'s really not all that much historical proof for it and, well, the gold plates are missing:</p>\n<p>DR: Now the Book of Mormon tells about Christ\'s dealings with ancient people in America. I know that\'s a long story, but can you put that in a nutshell for me?</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: Well, He said when during His ministry other sheep I have which are not of this fold, and that they those He would visit following His death, following His resurrection. We believe He appeared to the people on the American continent and ministered to them for a brief period. Talked to them much the same as He talked to people in Palestine. Just as the Bible is a Testament of the Old World, so the Book of Mormon is a testament of the New World.</p>\n<p>DR: So, Jesus went to America and taught there. Is there any historical proof of this?</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: Oh, I don\'t know there are many confirmatory evidences of that civilization. The record of theses people, we think, is a testament or remembrance of that occasion. Yes, to that degree. But not a lot. Most people didn\'t write very much that we\'ve been able to decipher. Now.</p>\n<p>DR: But this information came to--?</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: The Book of the Mormon.</p>\n<p>DR: Er, through Joseph Smith?</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: Correct.</p>\n<p>DR: Now, I understand these revelations came on golden plates. Can you tell me something about that?</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: Yes. This was a book written in the language of the Egyptians on golden plates and they were hidden away in a hill in western New York and Joseph Smith was led to that hill and those plates were delivered to him and he translated from those plates what has become the Book of Mormon. Here it is. You can hold it in your hands. You can heft it. You can read it. You can feel the spirit. You can try to explain it. But when all\'s said and done, it\'s there.</p>\n<p>DR: So, where are the plates now?</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: The plates are not here. The angel who delivered them took them back.<br />\n_____</p>\n<p>--Are Mormons Christian? You bet, Hinckley says:</p>\n<p>DR: . . . [H]ow does your faith sit with other Christians?</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: Let me say first that the Book of Mormon becomes a second witness for the Lord Jesus Christ. We believe in Jesus Christ as the Savior and the Redeemer of the world. We carry the name of the Savior and the name of the Church. We are Christians in a very real sense.</p>\n<p>DR: And others are not?</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: And others are if they chose to call themselves such.</p>\n<p>DR: But--</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: The term \"Christians\" in a generic vein.</p>\n<p>DR: Do they need, though--</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: A group of people who believe in Jesus Christ.</p>\n<p>DR: Do they need though to believe in these new revelations to be truly Christians?</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: They will get great satisfaction [if they] believe in, in these new revelations. They will have in their hand a second witness for the reality and validity of the Lord Jesus Christ.</p>\n<p>DR: So, how do you respond to those who say that you\'re not really Christians?</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: I simply say that\'s a that\'s a misconception. We are Christians in a very real sense. And that\'s coming to be more and more widely recognized. One time people everywhere said we\'re not Christians. They\'ve come to recognize that we are and that we have a very vital and dynamic religion, based on the teachings of Jesus Christ.<br />\n_____</p>\n<p>--On the subject of Mormon missionaries out in the field, they simply do not give in to sexual or television temptation:</p>\n<p>DR: After you leave here, you\'ll go out and you\'ll talk to 450 young missionaries. Does it bring back memories for you?</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: Oh, yes indeed. As a missionary in the British Isles about 65 years ago. It was a great experience, a tremendous experience.</p>\n<p>DR: Tough?</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: Oh, yes. You know the English. They\'re tough, but they\'re wonderful.</p>\n<p>DR: I meant the rules that apply. I understand that, um, as a missionary you, er, you can\'t, er, be alone with a member of the opposite sex. You can\'t watch television, no listening to music, apparently--other than listening to the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. No swimming. No dating. It sounds like a tough call.</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: You\'re looking at it the wrong way. You\'ve got the wrong end of the telescope. You have to look at it the other way. Here they are. They\'ve consecrated two years of their lives. To go in, out and serving other people. To doing their missionary work. They concentrate on one thing. As their whole objective is to teach the Gospel. They don\'t bother with these other things. They don\'t get in the way of them. They are consecrated and devoted to this great work of teaching the Gospel. They don\'t need to be bothered with these other things and they\'re not. You don\'t miss them when you\'re in this work. Really you don\'t. You just so [inaudible] all fired up over teaching the Gospel to people and nothing else matters. It\'s strange to you, David, but it\'s so.</p>\n<p>DR: You can tell it\'s strange, I know. If they are distracted by TV, by music, by girls, what happens?</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: What happens? Nothing happens. They just go forward with their work. When they go home they get back and, er, social life. There\'s plenty of time for a young man. He\'ll take care of those things naturally. He\'ll be back in school, most of them. And, er, he\'ll date, he\'ll go on into marriage. And they\'ll be happy and productive citizens.<br />\n_____</p>\n<p>--And another thing: The Mormon Church doesn\'t get involved in politics:</p>\n<p>DR: . . . [I]n Australia, as in the US, I understand you [inaudible] government on social issues. Especially in the name of protecting the family. What sort of things would you like to change as far as Australian society is concerned?</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: I don\'t know much about, er, your social structure here. I\'m only, I only come as a visitor and so I can\'t say very much but I was sorry to read that the great emphasis being put on gambling down in, er, Victoria? Victoria, yes.</p>\n<p>Institutionally, the Church speaks out on moral issues. Other than that we draw a strict line of separation of Church and State. The Church institutionally does not get involved in politics. Does not endorse candidates, does not endorse parties. We encourage our people as citizens of the land to exercise their franchises individuals. And to be active in these things, but as an institution the Church maintains a strict line of separation of Church and State speaking out only when there is a moral question at issue.<br />\n_____</p>\n<p>--Oh, and about that dang Internet:</p>\n<p>DR: You put forward an opinion, I understand here, about the, the sex on video and about, um, the Internet and the effect that may have on society?</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: Oh, yes, all of these things are downgrading. There isn\'t any question about it. These are one of the causes for what\'s happening. The illegitimate birth way up, er, dropping out of school up, many things. We put great emphasis on education, for instance.</p>\n<p>DR: And you believe the reason for this is a sexually permissive society?</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: It\'s a permissive society in which we live, yes. And, unfortunately, parents are largely responsible for that. They\'ve taken an indifferent attitude towards the action of their children. We\'re trying very hard and I think we\'re succeeding in maintaining the traditional family life. And we have a great, huge number of young people who\'re growing up in the faith and who are just wonderful.<br />\n_____</p>\n<p>--On the subject of other churches, Mormons are a blast from the 1950s past and couldn\'t be nicer:</p>\n<p>DR: Just looking at the [LDS] missionaries as I came in today, it reminded me very much of the fifties. The sort of values of the fifties in Australia.</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: Yeah.</p>\n<p>DR: Do you agree?</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: It\'s cleaned up. The shirts on. White shirts, ties, suits. Conservative dress. Does remind you of the fifties. Contrast that with what you see today and you get the whole picture.</p>\n<p>DR: Do you think the fifties were a better time?</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: I think the \'50s were a good time and I think this is a great time. I don\'t think we\'ve retrograded across the world. I think there are many good people everywhere. And our appeal is to those people. We don\'t down grade any Church. We don\'t speak disparagingly of any Church. We simply say to people of other Churches, bring all the good that you have and come and let us see if they if we can add to it. Now that\'s all there is to it.<br />\n_____</p>\n<p>--On coffee, nobody needs it:</p>\n<p>DR: . . . [Y]ou do condemn so many things that are commonly accepted. For example no sex before marriage. No tobacco, no alcohol, no gambling not even coffee.</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: Yeah, that\'s right.</p>\n<p>DR: And very, very strict.</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: That\'s wonderful. And you live longer. And you\'re happier. And you\'re healthier.</p>\n<p>DR: What\'s wonderful about not drinking coffee?</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: Oh, ah, coffee has all kinds of caffeine in it, other things. You don\'t need coffee. Nobody needs coffee. You can get along without it, David (laughs).</p>\n<p>DR: Not even early in the morning for an interview like this?</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: I had a cup of Milo.</p>\n<p>DR: And that worked?</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: That worked.<br />\n_____</p>\n<p>--On God\'s marital status, Hinckley\'s, well, not quite sure:</p>\n<p>DR: . . . God has a wife?</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: I don\'t know, but I suppose so. As we have a Father, I assume we have a Mother.</p>\n<p>DR: I understood your teachings said that God has a wife?</p>\n<p>Gordon B. Hinckley: Yes. Well, we . . . yes, we have a Mother in Heaven. We believe so. We\'re sons and daughters of God.<br />\n_____</p>\n<p>Thus saith the Lord.</p>\n<p>And if that\'s the case, then God help us.</p>\n<p>(\"\'Compass\' Interview with President Gordon B. Hinckley, Australian Broadcasting Company, aired 9 November 1997, at <a href=\"http://www.lds-mormon.com/hinckley.shtml\" title=\"http://www.lds-mormon.com/hinckley.shtml\">http://www.lds-mormon.com/hinckley.shtml</a>)</p>\n<p>**************</p>\n<p>--More Linked-In Looks Back on a Legless Legacy: Was Gordon B. Hinckley the Best the Mormon God Could Do for a \"Prophet\"?</p>\n<p>Personally speaking, I think Hinckley knew down deep that Mormonism was basically a fraud. His mealy-mouthed responses to Larry King and other interviewers were less than Samuel-the-Lamanite convincing.</p>\n<p>Indeed, in the supremest of ironies, Gordy the Gallant put out a book titled, \"Standing For Something\"--but, c\'mon, what did he really stand for?</p>\n<p>Applause, maybe.</p>\n<p>In reality, Hinckley made a comfy career of standing up for nothing--but kissing up to everybody.</p>\n<p>It\'s not as if Hinckley wasn\'t given the chance, time and again, to rise from his righteous, revelatin,\' red-cushioned seat and at least play-act as a prophet of God. To be sure, he had plenty of opportunities to step forward publicly and make a courageous defense of Mormonism.</p>\n<p>Instead, when given that chance, Prophet, Seer and Repudiator Gordon B. Hinckley chose to lean back in his Latter-day Lazy-boy and blubber-waffle his way through bland, deceptive, welcome-to-Pleasantville/Wimpoutville answers. And, in the process, he ended up standing Mormonism on its head.</p>\n<p>Just exactly how did Hinckley refuse to take a stand for something?</p>\n<p>Let us count some of the ways:</p>\n<p>--Hinckley publicly denied the bedrock Mormon doctrine of eternal progression from humanhood to godhood.</p>\n<p>--Hinckley publicly refused to personally affirm that he was a prophet called of God, only that devoted Mormons sustained him as such.</p>\n<p>--Hinckley publicly was willing only to say that he thinks God spoke through him.</p>\n<p>--Hinckley publicly admitted that his prophetic \"revelation\" came only through personal inspiration via the Holy Ghost, which made his \"revelatory\" experiences no different that those of the average Mormon layperson.</p>\n<p>--Hinckley publicly insisted that Mormons weren\'t a \"weird\" (i.e., peculiar) people.</p>\n<p>--Hinckley publicly admitted that he didn\'t know how the major military conflicts then raging in the Middle East during his tenure as \"prophet of God\" would be resolved, or when.</p>\n<p>--Hinckley publicly was unable to articulate what Mormons\' civic duty was with regard to those military conflicts, even though he nonetheless said Mormonas must shoulder such a duty.</p>\n<p>--Hinckley publicly denied that Mormonism\'s long and historic record of anti-Black bigotry was anything but a momentary blip.</p>\n<p>At best, wiggle \'n jiggle Hinckley--author of \"Standing for Something\"--went down in Mormondumb\'s history nook as the \"Gawrsh, I just dunno\" prophet. The following latter-day list of latter-day limpyness stands as a lasting testament to how Hinckley stood stoutly for nothing and firmly planted his rump on a stump for everything.</p>\n<p>**Here are sources to Hinckley\'s pathetic, embarrassing, on-the-record history as an obviously phony prophet:</p>\n<p>-\"Statements of LDS Prophets About God: Is Gordon B. Hinckley a True Prophet of God Like Joseph Smith?,\" at: <a href=\"http://home.teleport.com/~packham/gbh-god.htm\" title=\"http://home.teleport.com/~packham/gbh-god.htm\">http://home.teleport.com/~packham/gbh-god.htm</a></p>\n<p>-\"Dodging and Dissembling Prophet?,\" from \"Time\" magazine, 4 August 1997, at: <a href=\"http://mit.irr.org/dodging-and-dissembling-prophet\" title=\"http://mit.irr.org/dodging-and-dissembling-prophet\">http://mit.irr.org/dodging-and-dissembling-prophet</a></p>\n<p>-\"Hinckley\'s Quotes that Appeared in a San Francisco Newspaper Which Mormons were Trying to Rationalize Away as Either Insignificant or Merely Hinckley Not Wanting to Give Non-Members the \'Meat Before the Milk,\'\" at: <a href=\"http://www.lds-mormon.com/gbh.shtml\" title=\"http://www.lds-mormon.com/gbh.shtml\">http://www.lds-mormon.com/gbh.shtml</a></p>\n<p>-\"Larry King Live--Gordon Hinckley: Distinguished Religious Leader of the Mormons,\" at: <a href=\"http://www.lds-mormon.com/lkl_00.shtml\" title=\"http://www.lds-mormon.com/lkl_00.shtml\">http://www.lds-mormon.com/lkl_00.shtml</a></p>\n<p>-\"The \'60 Minutes\' Program on the LDS Church Broadcast on CBS TV, April 7, 1996,\" at: <a href=\"http://www.lds-mormon.com/60min.shtml\" title=\"http://www.lds-mormon.com/60min.shtml\">http://www.lds-mormon.com/60min.shtml</a></p>\n<p>-\"Gordon B. Hinckley: \'I Don\'t Know\"--A Transcript of the Larry King Interview,\" at: <a href=\"http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon381.htm\" title=\"http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon381.htm\">http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon381.htm</a></p>\n<p>-\"Larry King Interview--President Gordon B. Hinckley,\" at: <a href=\"http://www.onlineutah.com/polygamyhinckley.shtml\" title=\"http://www.onlineutah.com/polygamyhinckley.shtml\">http://www.onlineutah.com/polygamyhinckley.shtml</a></p>\n<p>-\"Holy Bible versus Gordon B. Hinckley,\" in \"Time\" magazine, 4 August 1997, at: <a href=\"http://www.truthandgrace.com/hinckley.htm\" title=\"http://www.truthandgrace.com/hinckley.htm\">http://www.truthandgrace.com/hinckley.htm</a></p>\n<p>-\"Was Gordon B. Hinckley Telling the Truth?,\" at: <a href=\"http://www.angelfire.com/ca5/real/lds2.htm\" title=\"http://www.angelfire.com/ca5/real/lds2.htm\">http://www.angelfire.com/ca5/real/lds2.htm</a></p>\n<p>-\"As God is, Man May Become (Biblical Statements vs. GBH Statement),\" at: <a href=\"http://www.greaterthings.com/Newsletter/49_Man_as_God.htm\" title=\"http://www.greaterthings.com/Newsletter/49_Man_as_God.htm\">http://www.greaterthings.com/Newsletter/49_Man_as_God.htm</a></p>\n<p>-\"Larry King in Conversation with Gordon B. Hinckley, President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, CNN December 26, 2004,\" at: <a href=\"http://www.cesnur.org/2004/lds.htm\" title=\"http://www.cesnur.org/2004/lds.htm\">http://www.cesnur.org/2004/lds.htm</a></p>\n<p>-\"Will a Real Church Leader Please Stand Up?: Mormon Prophet Gordon B. Hinckley Blew Some Easy Opportunities to Shine as a True Leader, Let Alone as a Real Prophet,\" at: <a href=\"http://www.i4m.com/think/leaders/Hinckley_lame.htm\" title=\"http://www.i4m.com/think/leaders/Hinckley_lame.htm\">http://www.i4m.com/think/leaders/Hinckley_lame.htm</a></p>\n<p>-\"Text of CNN Larry King Live Interview with President Gordon B. Hinckley (Courtesy of CNN),\" at: <a href=\"http://www.tungate.com/lk_2.htm\" title=\"http://www.tungate.com/lk_2.htm\">http://www.tungate.com/lk_2.htm</a></p>\n<p>A listless list of accomplishments, if you ask me (especially based on inner-circle stories told to me by those who know that Hinckley was snidely critical of others whom he labeled as \"schmoozers.\" Talk about the pot calling the kettle white and delightsome. Maybe he was the prophet of projection).</p>\n<p>Oh, well. Thank gawd we now have Thomas S. Monson, self-proclaimed Wonder Boy to the Widows.</p>\n<hr />\n<p>baura<br />\nRe: Hinckley\'s Hapless Record as a \"Prophet\"<br />\nsteve benson Wrote:<br />\n-------------------------------------------------------</p>\n<p>&gt; Gordon B. Hinckley: I pray. I pray to Him. Night<br />\n&gt; and morning. I speak with Him. I THINK He hears my<br />\n&gt; prayers. As He hears the prayers of others. I<br />\n&gt; THINK He answers them.</p>\n<p>*****</p>\n<p>&gt; DR: How often have you received such revelations?<br />\n&gt;<br />\n&gt; Gordon B. Hinckley: Oh, I don\'t know. I feel<br />\n&gt; satisfied that in some circumstances we\'ve had<br />\n&gt; such revelation. It\'s a very sacred thing that we<br />\n&gt; don\'t like to talk about a lot. A very sacred<br />\n&gt; thing.<br />\n&gt;<br />\n&gt; DR: But it\'s a special experience?<br />\n&gt;<br />\n&gt; Gordon B. Hinckley: I THINK it\'s a real thing.<br />\n&gt; It\'s a very real thing. And a special experience.<br />\n&gt; _____</p>\n<p>He THINKS God hears his prayers. He FEELS SATISFIED that he\'s received revelations.</p>\n<p>Not exactly a rousing testimony from the top Mormon.</p>\n<hr />\nmia<br />\nRe: Hinckley\'s Hapless Record as a \"Prophet\"<br />\nMy ex-mormon convert husband could have BS\'ed his way through that much better than GBH.\n<hr />\n<p>jong1064<br />\nRe: Hinckley\'s Hapless Record as a \"Prophet\"<br />\nHinckley\'s interview with Larry King was one of the final nails in the LDS coffin for me. He said only 3 - 5 % of faithful Mormons practiced polygamy while it was \"legal.\" I just couldn\'t believe that a supposed prophet of God would lie on national television like that. How could anyone listen to that interview and remain in TSCC?</p>\n<hr />\nrusty123<br />\nRe: Hinckley\'s Hapless Record as a \"Prophet\"<br />\nI remember watching Thomas S. Monson\'s press conference as a TBM when he became prophet and afterwards remember thinking wow he sounded more like a politician than he did a prophet. He talked around most the questions and gave really vague answers. The only ones he answered were the softballs that KSL threw him.\n<p>Same thing with Richard G. Scott when he came to my ward and took questions during SS, very vague in his answers. I remember being excited beforehand and disappointed afterwards that he answered the questions like he did, just like a politician would.</p>\n<hr />\nlucky<br />\nRe: Hinckley\'s Hapless Record as a \"Prophet\"<br />\nGordon \"BS\" Hinckley, that is.\n<p><a href=\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qvv4zHiuz48\" title=\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qvv4zHiuz48\">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qvv4zHiuz48</a></p>\n<hr />\nlucky<br />\nRe: Hinckley\'s Hapless Record as a \"Prophet\"<br />\n<a href=\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Kkema-oqtM\" title=\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Kkema-oqtM\">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Kkema-oqtM</a>\n<hr />\nrusty123<br />\nRe: Hinckley\'s Hapless Record as a \"Prophet\"<br />\nOh but I do remember Packer speaking to us young adults once and said that the 2nd coming may not happen until our grand kids generation. Guess I can continue being an unbeliever for another generation and then come back just in time haha. Always count on Packer to say it \"like it is.\"\n<hr />\n<p>Cali Sally<br />\nRe: Hinckley\'s Hapless Record as a \"Prophet\"<br />\nEight-year-olds come into the church in a very critical way before they join the church????? Come on!!! What a load of poop!</p>\n<hr />\ntoto<br />\nRe: You mean Yoda doing Yoga? :)<br />\nMy god, was I THAT tired last night?! Hahahaha... hilarious. Yes, Yoda doing Yoga. I guess I was in Savasana because right after posing/posting I fell asleep.\n<p>So... about that Hinckley dude. I can\'t believe how many times he said \"I don\'t know\" in response to MAJOR issues in the Mormon Church like revelation, for example: \"How often have you received revelations?\" \"Oh, I don\'t know.\" And then being asked, \"But it\'s a special experience?\" and to respond, \"I think it\'s a real thing.\" OK, either \"think\" or it \"is\", which one? TBMs testify that they KNOW the prophet is the prophet and Hinckley doesn\'t even know if he has revelations? Yikes.</p>\n<p>My favorite bullying moment: putting his wife on the spot about responding whether or not she\'s happy. \"Our women are satisfied. They\'re happy...Are you happy?\" to which she responds, \"Very happy!\" YAY! Women in the Church have spoken! They\'re all happy because the prophet\'s wife says she\'s happy!</p>\n<p>Sad to say, I loved listening to the interview he gave on Larry King Live. At the time I felt he was down-to-earth and personable and real. What I didn\'t realize was that he wasn\'t a prophet. I was that clueless.</p>\n<hr />\n<p>iris<br />\nRe: Hinckley\'s Hapless Record as a \"Prophet\"<br />\nThank you for your posting and for the links. The spin is incredible all the way around. I never recognized it or paid attention to it when these interviews were happening....</p>\n<hr />\n<p>JImmy<br />\nRe: Hinckley\'s Hapless Record as a \"Prophet\"<br />\nGolly, if this is the best you guys have (or, I suppose the better term would be \"the worst\"), I guess I\'ll stay a Mormon. Really is a pretty pitiful excuse for and expose of Mormon so-called lies.</p>\n<hr />\npassing through<br />\nRe: Hinckley\'s Hapless Record as a \"Prophet\"<br />\nThis isn\'t the best, worst, OR only example. RfM would be a teeny little website if that were the case, and it isn\'t, is it? This is just one sample of one of the so-called \"Prophets\"-men supposedly ordained by God- being vague, evasive, and apparently unaware of Divine Opinion. Just one of the latest in the procession of crooks who either believed the BS and tried to make reality fit the delusion, or who knew it all to be a sham and actively perpetuated the manipulation and exploitation of brainwashed thousands.\n<p>Stay a Mormon if you need others to tell you what to believe or disbelieve. By all means, stay Mormon if you\'re going to dismiss the entire community based on one post--if you can\'t cowboy up and conduct a proper investigation then you aren\'t really here for what RfM offers anyway. This site offers facts and opinions that the LDS authorities try to prevent you from seeing, and there\'s a pile of evidence here to examine.</p>\n<hr />\n<p>Levi<br />\nRe: Hinckley\'s Hapless Record as a \"Prophet\"<br />\nIn his interview with Larry king one Xmas, Larry got to talking about the gays.</p>\n<p>GBH said \"they have a problem, and we want to help them with that\"</p>\n<p>Larry asked \"a problem they created or were born with\"</p>\n<p>\"I don\'t know\" was the prophets answer.</p>\n<p>I was already out of the cult, but remember thinking, \" then ask god u dumb son of a bitch!\"</p>\n<p>Here is GBH who gets revelation from god about ladies accessories and how many earrings are appropriate, but just can\'t be bothered to find out from god something that causes a great amount of emotional pain for a lot of people.</p>\n<p>That was when I lost the last bit of respect I had for him.</p>\n<hr />\nbreedumyung<br />\nRe: Hinckley\'s Hapless Record as a \"Prophet\"<br />\nHey Jimmy,\n<p>Have another shot of the Mormon Kool-Aid...</p>\n<p>\"Recovery from Mormonism - www.exmormon.org\"</p>\n', created = 1495550404, expire = 1495636804, headers = '', serialized = 0 WHERE cid = '2:ce2e7f78adb57ab1cde630fc9cec6bc5' in /home/exmormon/public_html/d6/drupal/includes/cache.inc on line 112.

steve benson June 2013

From the Flip-Flop-It "Prophet":

Gordon B. Hinckley defends historic doctrinal Mormon racism but says he doesn't understand the basis for it.

Plus, other GBH gems

on such Mormon-mangled topics as:

-women;

-prophetic revelation;

-LDS group-think;

-garments;

-the Book of Mormon;

-LDS Christianity;

-full-time missionary aversion to sex;

-the Mormon Church and politics;

-Internet smut;

-the 1950s;

-other churches;

-coffee;

-God's wife;

-the Mormon personal parade to godhood;

-Mormon weirdness;

-how to predict, respond to or end wars; and last but not least

-all those "I don't knows"
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--We Thank Thee, Oh God, for Mumbo-Jumbo

Below are extraordinarily egg-faced excerpts from an exchange between David Ransom, of the Australian Broadcasting Company news show "Compass," and LDS Church president Gordon B. Hinckley.
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--First, Hinckley's defense of Mormon racism against Blacks:
Blacks Didn't Deserve the Priesthood in the Past but Hinckley Doesn't Know Why

DR: Now up until 1978 I understand Blacks were not allowed to be priests in your Church?

Gordon B. Hinckley: That is correct. Although we have Black members of the Church. They felt that they would gain more in this Church than any other with which they were acquainted and they were members of the Church. In 1978 we (the president of the Church) received a revelation under which all worthy men would receive all the blessings of the Church available to them as well as to any others. So across the world now we are teaching the Gospel to Blacks, Whites, everyone else who will listen.
DR: So, in retrospect, was the Church wrong in that?

Gordon B. Hinckley: No, I don't think it was wrong. It things, various things happened in different periods. There's a reason for them.

DR: What was the reason for that?

Gordon B. Hinckley: I don't know what the reason was. But I know that we've rectified whatever may have appeared to be wrong at that time.

Gordon B. Hinckley: No, I don't think so. I don't see that anywhere. I've been to Africa. I've been to other places. I don't see any evidence of that any more. There's some misconception of course that among some people. But I don't see much evidence of that any more.
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--Continuing on the subject of Mormon prejudice, here's what Hinckley had to say about not giving LDS women the priesthood:

"Happy" Mormon Women Don't "Agitate" for the Mormon Male Priesthood

DR: At present women are not allowed to be priests in your Church. Why is that?

Gordon B. Hinckley: That's right, because the Lord has put it that way. Now women have a very prominent place in this Church. They have there own organisation. Probably the largest women's organisation in the world of 3.7 million members. And the women of that organisation sit on Boards. Our Board of Education--things of that kind. They counsel with us. We counsel together. They bring in insight that we very much appreciate and they have this tremendous organization of the world where they grow and if you ask them they'll say, "We're happy and we're satisfied."

DR: They all say that?

Gordon B. Hinckley: Yes. All except, ah, oh, you'll find a little handful one or two here and there, but in 10 million members you expect that.

DR: You say the Lord has put it that way. What do you mean by that?

Gordon B. Hinckley: I mean that's a part of His program. Of course it is, yes.

DR: Is it possible that the rules could change in the future as the rules are on Blacks ?

Gordon B. Hinckley: He could change them, yes. If He were to change them that's the only way it would happen.

DR: So, you'd have to get a revelation?

Gordon B. Hinckley: Yes. But there's no agitation for that. We don't find it. Our women are happy. They're satisfied. These bright, able, wonderful women who administer their own organisation are very happy. Ask them. Ask my wife.

Gordon B. Hinckley: Are you happy? (to his wife . . . )

Mrs. H: Very happy! (laughs)
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--On the matter of how Hinckley gets revelation directly from God to run the Mormon Church, Hinckley says the Church actually doesn't need much of it:

DR: As the world leader of the the Church, how are you in touch with God? Can you explain that for me?

Gordon B. Hinckley: I pray. I pray to Him. Night and morning. I speak with Him. I think He hears my prayers. As He hears the prayers of others. I think He answers them.

DR: But more than that, because you're leader of the Church. Do you have a special connection?

Gordon B. Hinckley: I have a special relationship in terms of the Church as an institution. Yes.

DR: And you receive--

Gordon B. Hinckley: For the entire Church.

DR: You receive?

Gordon B. Hinckley: Now we don't need a lot of continuing revelation. We have a great, basic reservoir of revelation. But if a problem arises, as it does occasionally, a vexatious thing with which we have to deal, we go to the Lord in prayer. We discuss it as a First Presidency and as a Council of the Twelve Apostles. We pray about it and then comes the whisperings of a still small voice. And we know the direction we should take and we proceed accordingly.

DR: And this is a revelation?

Gordon B. Hinckley: This is a revelation.

DR: How often have you received such revelations?

Gordon B. Hinckley: Oh, I don't know. I feel satisfied that in some circumstances we've had such revelation. It's a very sacred thing that we don't like to talk about a lot. A very sacred thing.

DR: But it's a special experience?

Gordon B. Hinckley: I think it's a real thing. It's a very real thing. And a special experience.
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--On the subject of intellectual freedom, Mormons are allowed to question, but they really prefer the higher road of conformity:

DR: There does seem to be [among Mormons] . . . an uncritical acceptance of a conformist style?

Gordon B. Hinckley: Uncritical? No. Not uncritical. People think in a very critical way before they come into this Church. When they come into this Church they're expected to conform. And they find happiness in that conformity.

DR: But not allowed to question?

Gordon B. Hinckley: If what?

DR: They're not allowed to question?

Gordon B. Hinckley: Oh, they are allowed to question. Look, this Church came of intellectual dissent. We maintain the largest private university in America.

DR: And that continues to this day?

Gordon B. Hinckley: 27,000 students.

DR: And that dissent continues to that this day?

Gordon B. Hinckley: Oh, absolutely, absolutely. We expect people to think for themselves. Now, if they get off and begin to fight the Church and that sort of thing, as one or two do now and again, we simply disfellowship them and go our way. But those cases are really very, very few.
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--Then there's the magical Mormon underwear, which Hinckley admits to wearing for what he thinks might be its possible protective properties:

DR: Um, look, I don't want to be indelicate here but this, um, American "60 minutes" program did deal with this business about the spiritual undergarments. I must ask you, what are they? And do you wear them?

Gordon B. Hinckley: The spiritual what?

DR: The spiritual undergarments?

Gordon B. Hinckley: Oh, well, that's simple--Many people wear particular types of clothing. Many religions. The Jews do. Vestments of various kind worn by other Religions. It isn't an unusual thing at all. It's sacred. We regard it as such. It's a token as it were of our membership in the Church and our eligibility to go to the Temple.

DR: And the sacred undergarments protect you?

Gordon B. Hinckley: Oh, I think so. Yes.

DR: Do you wear them?

Gordon B. Hinckley: Yes.

DR: All the time?

Gordon B. Hinckley: Yes.

DR: And, and have you--

Gordon B. Hinckley: They're very comfortable.

DR: Have you ever received protection from them?

Gordon B. Hinckley: Protection from them? Oh, I think so. I'm 86 years of age and going on 87 and I'm still here.
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--About the Book of Mormon, Hinckley says there's really not all that much historical proof for it and, well, the gold plates are missing:

DR: Now the Book of Mormon tells about Christ's dealings with ancient people in America. I know that's a long story, but can you put that in a nutshell for me?

Gordon B. Hinckley: Well, He said when during His ministry other sheep I have which are not of this fold, and that they those He would visit following His death, following His resurrection. We believe He appeared to the people on the American continent and ministered to them for a brief period. Talked to them much the same as He talked to people in Palestine. Just as the Bible is a Testament of the Old World, so the Book of Mormon is a testament of the New World.

DR: So, Jesus went to America and taught there. Is there any historical proof of this?

Gordon B. Hinckley: Oh, I don't know there are many confirmatory evidences of that civilization. The record of theses people, we think, is a testament or remembrance of that occasion. Yes, to that degree. But not a lot. Most people didn't write very much that we've been able to decipher. Now.

DR: But this information came to--?

Gordon B. Hinckley: The Book of the Mormon.

DR: Er, through Joseph Smith?

Gordon B. Hinckley: Correct.

DR: Now, I understand these revelations came on golden plates. Can you tell me something about that?

Gordon B. Hinckley: Yes. This was a book written in the language of the Egyptians on golden plates and they were hidden away in a hill in western New York and Joseph Smith was led to that hill and those plates were delivered to him and he translated from those plates what has become the Book of Mormon. Here it is. You can hold it in your hands. You can heft it. You can read it. You can feel the spirit. You can try to explain it. But when all's said and done, it's there.

DR: So, where are the plates now?

Gordon B. Hinckley: The plates are not here. The angel who delivered them took them back.
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--Are Mormons Christian? You bet, Hinckley says:

DR: . . . [H]ow does your faith sit with other Christians?

Gordon B. Hinckley: Let me say first that the Book of Mormon becomes a second witness for the Lord Jesus Christ. We believe in Jesus Christ as the Savior and the Redeemer of the world. We carry the name of the Savior and the name of the Church. We are Christians in a very real sense.

DR: And others are not?

Gordon B. Hinckley: And others are if they chose to call themselves such.

DR: But--

Gordon B. Hinckley: The term "Christians" in a generic vein.

DR: Do they need, though--

Gordon B. Hinckley: A group of people who believe in Jesus Christ.

DR: Do they need though to believe in these new revelations to be truly Christians?

Gordon B. Hinckley: They will get great satisfaction [if they] believe in, in these new revelations. They will have in their hand a second witness for the reality and validity of the Lord Jesus Christ.

DR: So, how do you respond to those who say that you're not really Christians?

Gordon B. Hinckley: I simply say that's a that's a misconception. We are Christians in a very real sense. And that's coming to be more and more widely recognized. One time people everywhere said we're not Christians. They've come to recognize that we are and that we have a very vital and dynamic religion, based on the teachings of Jesus Christ.
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--On the subject of Mormon missionaries out in the field, they simply do not give in to sexual or television temptation:

DR: After you leave here, you'll go out and you'll talk to 450 young missionaries. Does it bring back memories for you?

Gordon B. Hinckley: Oh, yes indeed. As a missionary in the British Isles about 65 years ago. It was a great experience, a tremendous experience.

DR: Tough?

Gordon B. Hinckley: Oh, yes. You know the English. They're tough, but they're wonderful.

DR: I meant the rules that apply. I understand that, um, as a missionary you, er, you can't, er, be alone with a member of the opposite sex. You can't watch television, no listening to music, apparently--other than listening to the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. No swimming. No dating. It sounds like a tough call.

Gordon B. Hinckley: You're looking at it the wrong way. You've got the wrong end of the telescope. You have to look at it the other way. Here they are. They've consecrated two years of their lives. To go in, out and serving other people. To doing their missionary work. They concentrate on one thing. As their whole objective is to teach the Gospel. They don't bother with these other things. They don't get in the way of them. They are consecrated and devoted to this great work of teaching the Gospel. They don't need to be bothered with these other things and they're not. You don't miss them when you're in this work. Really you don't. You just so [inaudible] all fired up over teaching the Gospel to people and nothing else matters. It's strange to you, David, but it's so.

DR: You can tell it's strange, I know. If they are distracted by TV, by music, by girls, what happens?

Gordon B. Hinckley: What happens? Nothing happens. They just go forward with their work. When they go home they get back and, er, social life. There's plenty of time for a young man. He'll take care of those things naturally. He'll be back in school, most of them. And, er, he'll date, he'll go on into marriage. And they'll be happy and productive citizens.
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--And another thing: The Mormon Church doesn't get involved in politics:

DR: . . . [I]n Australia, as in the US, I understand you [inaudible] government on social issues. Especially in the name of protecting the family. What sort of things would you like to change as far as Australian society is concerned?

Gordon B. Hinckley: I don't know much about, er, your social structure here. I'm only, I only come as a visitor and so I can't say very much but I was sorry to read that the great emphasis being put on gambling down in, er, Victoria? Victoria, yes.

Institutionally, the Church speaks out on moral issues. Other than that we draw a strict line of separation of Church and State. The Church institutionally does not get involved in politics. Does not endorse candidates, does not endorse parties. We encourage our people as citizens of the land to exercise their franchises individuals. And to be active in these things, but as an institution the Church maintains a strict line of separation of Church and State speaking out only when there is a moral question at issue.
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--Oh, and about that dang Internet:

DR: You put forward an opinion, I understand here, about the, the sex on video and about, um, the Internet and the effect that may have on society?

Gordon B. Hinckley: Oh, yes, all of these things are downgrading. There isn't any question about it. These are one of the causes for what's happening. The illegitimate birth way up, er, dropping out of school up, many things. We put great emphasis on education, for instance.

DR: And you believe the reason for this is a sexually permissive society?

Gordon B. Hinckley: It's a permissive society in which we live, yes. And, unfortunately, parents are largely responsible for that. They've taken an indifferent attitude towards the action of their children. We're trying very hard and I think we're succeeding in maintaining the traditional family life. And we have a great, huge number of young people who're growing up in the faith and who are just wonderful.
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--On the subject of other churches, Mormons are a blast from the 1950s past and couldn't be nicer:

DR: Just looking at the [LDS] missionaries as I came in today, it reminded me very much of the fifties. The sort of values of the fifties in Australia.

Gordon B. Hinckley: Yeah.

DR: Do you agree?

Gordon B. Hinckley: It's cleaned up. The shirts on. White shirts, ties, suits. Conservative dress. Does remind you of the fifties. Contrast that with what you see today and you get the whole picture.

DR: Do you think the fifties were a better time?

Gordon B. Hinckley: I think the '50s were a good time and I think this is a great time. I don't think we've retrograded across the world. I think there are many good people everywhere. And our appeal is to those people. We don't down grade any Church. We don't speak disparagingly of any Church. We simply say to people of other Churches, bring all the good that you have and come and let us see if they if we can add to it. Now that's all there is to it.
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--On coffee, nobody needs it:

DR: . . . [Y]ou do condemn so many things that are commonly accepted. For example no sex before marriage. No tobacco, no alcohol, no gambling not even coffee.

Gordon B. Hinckley: Yeah, that's right.

DR: And very, very strict.

Gordon B. Hinckley: That's wonderful. And you live longer. And you're happier. And you're healthier.

DR: What's wonderful about not drinking coffee?

Gordon B. Hinckley: Oh, ah, coffee has all kinds of caffeine in it, other things. You don't need coffee. Nobody needs coffee. You can get along without it, David (laughs).

DR: Not even early in the morning for an interview like this?

Gordon B. Hinckley: I had a cup of Milo.

DR: And that worked?

Gordon B. Hinckley: That worked.
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--On God's marital status, Hinckley's, well, not quite sure:

DR: . . . God has a wife?

Gordon B. Hinckley: I don't know, but I suppose so. As we have a Father, I assume we have a Mother.

DR: I understood your teachings said that God has a wife?

Gordon B. Hinckley: Yes. Well, we . . . yes, we have a Mother in Heaven. We believe so. We're sons and daughters of God.
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Thus saith the Lord.

And if that's the case, then God help us.

("'Compass' Interview with President Gordon B. Hinckley, Australian Broadcasting Company, aired 9 November 1997, at http://www.lds-mormon.com/hinckley.shtml)

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--More Linked-In Looks Back on a Legless Legacy: Was Gordon B. Hinckley the Best the Mormon God Could Do for a "Prophet"?

Personally speaking, I think Hinckley knew down deep that Mormonism was basically a fraud. His mealy-mouthed responses to Larry King and other interviewers were less than Samuel-the-Lamanite convincing.

Indeed, in the supremest of ironies, Gordy the Gallant put out a book titled, "Standing For Something"--but, c'mon, what did he really stand for?

Applause, maybe.

In reality, Hinckley made a comfy career of standing up for nothing--but kissing up to everybody.

It's not as if Hinckley wasn't given the chance, time and again, to rise from his righteous, revelatin,' red-cushioned seat and at least play-act as a prophet of God. To be sure, he had plenty of opportunities to step forward publicly and make a courageous defense of Mormonism.

Instead, when given that chance, Prophet, Seer and Repudiator Gordon B. Hinckley chose to lean back in his Latter-day Lazy-boy and blubber-waffle his way through bland, deceptive, welcome-to-Pleasantville/Wimpoutville answers. And, in the process, he ended up standing Mormonism on its head.

Just exactly how did Hinckley refuse to take a stand for something?

Let us count some of the ways:

--Hinckley publicly denied the bedrock Mormon doctrine of eternal progression from humanhood to godhood.

--Hinckley publicly refused to personally affirm that he was a prophet called of God, only that devoted Mormons sustained him as such.

--Hinckley publicly was willing only to say that he thinks God spoke through him.

--Hinckley publicly admitted that his prophetic "revelation" came only through personal inspiration via the Holy Ghost, which made his "revelatory" experiences no different that those of the average Mormon layperson.

--Hinckley publicly insisted that Mormons weren't a "weird" (i.e., peculiar) people.

--Hinckley publicly admitted that he didn't know how the major military conflicts then raging in the Middle East during his tenure as "prophet of God" would be resolved, or when.

--Hinckley publicly was unable to articulate what Mormons' civic duty was with regard to those military conflicts, even though he nonetheless said Mormonas must shoulder such a duty.

--Hinckley publicly denied that Mormonism's long and historic record of anti-Black bigotry was anything but a momentary blip.

At best, wiggle 'n jiggle Hinckley--author of "Standing for Something"--went down in Mormondumb's history nook as the "Gawrsh, I just dunno" prophet. The following latter-day list of latter-day limpyness stands as a lasting testament to how Hinckley stood stoutly for nothing and firmly planted his rump on a stump for everything.

**Here are sources to Hinckley's pathetic, embarrassing, on-the-record history as an obviously phony prophet:

-"Statements of LDS Prophets About God: Is Gordon B. Hinckley a True Prophet of God Like Joseph Smith?," at: http://home.teleport.com/~packham/gbh-god.htm

-"Dodging and Dissembling Prophet?," from "Time" magazine, 4 August 1997, at: http://mit.irr.org/dodging-and-dissembling-prophet

-"Hinckley's Quotes that Appeared in a San Francisco Newspaper Which Mormons were Trying to Rationalize Away as Either Insignificant or Merely Hinckley Not Wanting to Give Non-Members the 'Meat Before the Milk,'" at: http://www.lds-mormon.com/gbh.shtml

-"Larry King Live--Gordon Hinckley: Distinguished Religious Leader of the Mormons," at: http://www.lds-mormon.com/lkl_00.shtml

-"The '60 Minutes' Program on the LDS Church Broadcast on CBS TV, April 7, 1996," at: http://www.lds-mormon.com/60min.shtml

-"Gordon B. Hinckley: 'I Don't Know"--A Transcript of the Larry King Interview," at: http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon381.htm

-"Larry King Interview--President Gordon B. Hinckley," at: http://www.onlineutah.com/polygamyhinckley.shtml

-"Holy Bible versus Gordon B. Hinckley," in "Time" magazine, 4 August 1997, at: http://www.truthandgrace.com/hinckley.htm

-"Was Gordon B. Hinckley Telling the Truth?," at: http://www.angelfire.com/ca5/real/lds2.htm

-"As God is, Man May Become (Biblical Statements vs. GBH Statement)," at: http://www.greaterthings.com/Newsletter/49_Man_as_God.htm

-"Larry King in Conversation with Gordon B. Hinckley, President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, CNN December 26, 2004," at: http://www.cesnur.org/2004/lds.htm

-"Will a Real Church Leader Please Stand Up?: Mormon Prophet Gordon B. Hinckley Blew Some Easy Opportunities to Shine as a True Leader, Let Alone as a Real Prophet," at: http://www.i4m.com/think/leaders/Hinckley_lame.htm

-"Text of CNN Larry King Live Interview with President Gordon B. Hinckley (Courtesy of CNN)," at: http://www.tungate.com/lk_2.htm

A listless list of accomplishments, if you ask me (especially based on inner-circle stories told to me by those who know that Hinckley was snidely critical of others whom he labeled as "schmoozers." Talk about the pot calling the kettle white and delightsome. Maybe he was the prophet of projection).

Oh, well. Thank gawd we now have Thomas S. Monson, self-proclaimed Wonder Boy to the Widows.


baura
Re: Hinckley's Hapless Record as a "Prophet"
steve benson Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

> Gordon B. Hinckley: I pray. I pray to Him. Night
> and morning. I speak with Him. I THINK He hears my
> prayers. As He hears the prayers of others. I
> THINK He answers them.

*****

> DR: How often have you received such revelations?
>
> Gordon B. Hinckley: Oh, I don't know. I feel
> satisfied that in some circumstances we've had
> such revelation. It's a very sacred thing that we
> don't like to talk about a lot. A very sacred
> thing.
>
> DR: But it's a special experience?
>
> Gordon B. Hinckley: I THINK it's a real thing.
> It's a very real thing. And a special experience.
> _____

He THINKS God hears his prayers. He FEELS SATISFIED that he's received revelations.

Not exactly a rousing testimony from the top Mormon.


mia
Re: Hinckley's Hapless Record as a "Prophet"
My ex-mormon convert husband could have BS'ed his way through that much better than GBH.

jong1064
Re: Hinckley's Hapless Record as a "Prophet"
Hinckley's interview with Larry King was one of the final nails in the LDS coffin for me. He said only 3 - 5 % of faithful Mormons practiced polygamy while it was "legal." I just couldn't believe that a supposed prophet of God would lie on national television like that. How could anyone listen to that interview and remain in TSCC?


rusty123
Re: Hinckley's Hapless Record as a "Prophet"
I remember watching Thomas S. Monson's press conference as a TBM when he became prophet and afterwards remember thinking wow he sounded more like a politician than he did a prophet. He talked around most the questions and gave really vague answers. The only ones he answered were the softballs that KSL threw him.

Same thing with Richard G. Scott when he came to my ward and took questions during SS, very vague in his answers. I remember being excited beforehand and disappointed afterwards that he answered the questions like he did, just like a politician would.


lucky
Re: Hinckley's Hapless Record as a "Prophet"
Gordon "BS" Hinckley, that is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qvv4zHiuz48


lucky
Re: Hinckley's Hapless Record as a "Prophet"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Kkema-oqtM
rusty123
Re: Hinckley's Hapless Record as a "Prophet"
Oh but I do remember Packer speaking to us young adults once and said that the 2nd coming may not happen until our grand kids generation. Guess I can continue being an unbeliever for another generation and then come back just in time haha. Always count on Packer to say it "like it is."

Cali Sally
Re: Hinckley's Hapless Record as a "Prophet"
Eight-year-olds come into the church in a very critical way before they join the church????? Come on!!! What a load of poop!


toto
Re: You mean Yoda doing Yoga? :)
My god, was I THAT tired last night?! Hahahaha... hilarious. Yes, Yoda doing Yoga. I guess I was in Savasana because right after posing/posting I fell asleep.

So... about that Hinckley dude. I can't believe how many times he said "I don't know" in response to MAJOR issues in the Mormon Church like revelation, for example: "How often have you received revelations?" "Oh, I don't know." And then being asked, "But it's a special experience?" and to respond, "I think it's a real thing." OK, either "think" or it "is", which one? TBMs testify that they KNOW the prophet is the prophet and Hinckley doesn't even know if he has revelations? Yikes.

My favorite bullying moment: putting his wife on the spot about responding whether or not she's happy. "Our women are satisfied. They're happy...Are you happy?" to which she responds, "Very happy!" YAY! Women in the Church have spoken! They're all happy because the prophet's wife says she's happy!

Sad to say, I loved listening to the interview he gave on Larry King Live. At the time I felt he was down-to-earth and personable and real. What I didn't realize was that he wasn't a prophet. I was that clueless.


iris
Re: Hinckley's Hapless Record as a "Prophet"
Thank you for your posting and for the links. The spin is incredible all the way around. I never recognized it or paid attention to it when these interviews were happening....


JImmy
Re: Hinckley's Hapless Record as a "Prophet"
Golly, if this is the best you guys have (or, I suppose the better term would be "the worst"), I guess I'll stay a Mormon. Really is a pretty pitiful excuse for and expose of Mormon so-called lies.


passing through
Re: Hinckley's Hapless Record as a "Prophet"
This isn't the best, worst, OR only example. RfM would be a teeny little website if that were the case, and it isn't, is it? This is just one sample of one of the so-called "Prophets"-men supposedly ordained by God- being vague, evasive, and apparently unaware of Divine Opinion. Just one of the latest in the procession of crooks who either believed the BS and tried to make reality fit the delusion, or who knew it all to be a sham and actively perpetuated the manipulation and exploitation of brainwashed thousands.

Stay a Mormon if you need others to tell you what to believe or disbelieve. By all means, stay Mormon if you're going to dismiss the entire community based on one post--if you can't cowboy up and conduct a proper investigation then you aren't really here for what RfM offers anyway. This site offers facts and opinions that the LDS authorities try to prevent you from seeing, and there's a pile of evidence here to examine.


Levi
Re: Hinckley's Hapless Record as a "Prophet"
In his interview with Larry king one Xmas, Larry got to talking about the gays.

GBH said "they have a problem, and we want to help them with that"

Larry asked "a problem they created or were born with"

"I don't know" was the prophets answer.

I was already out of the cult, but remember thinking, " then ask god u dumb son of a bitch!"

Here is GBH who gets revelation from god about ladies accessories and how many earrings are appropriate, but just can't be bothered to find out from god something that causes a great amount of emotional pain for a lot of people.

That was when I lost the last bit of respect I had for him.


breedumyung
Re: Hinckley's Hapless Record as a "Prophet"
Hey Jimmy,

Have another shot of the Mormon Kool-Aid...

"Recovery from Mormonism - www.exmormon.org"