|Subject:||Do Mormons not wear crosses? like as jewelry?|
|Date:||Nov 22 12:35 2002|
|No, they don't wear crosses.|
|Subject:||The reason I was given for Mormons not wearing crosses...|
|Date:||Nov 22 12:53|
|Coming from a catholic upbringing..I was taken aback when I found that the LDS didn't wear crosses..I was told that the reason was: The Mormons celebrate Jesus' birth and not his death..which is what the cross represents...Please correct me if it is for some other reason..|
|Subject:||And thats the funny thing about it|
|Date:||Nov 22 12:57|
|The cross(not talking about the crucifix here) is supposed to
represent Jesus' vicotry over death.
And although they reject the cross they have no other symbol that is directly link to Jesus to replace the cross. What do they stick on top of their temples? Moroni.
|Subject:||Ya know, I don't think it used to be this way......|
|Date:||Nov 22 15:50|
|I have an old photo of my great aunt as a child wearing a cross
around her neck. Would have been.... 1910ish (she looks around four). Mind you, this was a
major TBM family living in Utah, Beaver or Panguitch(sp). It really struck me as odd as I
was always told that "we worship a living christ". I tend to believe they don't
like crosses because it is such a Catholic symbol, and we all know what they think of
One of these days I will have to have Mak post that pic :)
|Subject:||Re: The reason I was given for Mormons not wearing crosses...|
|Date:||Nov 22 18:27|
|Author:||one of the debbies|
|Catholics wear cruicifixes, Protestants wear crosses because they worship the living Christ. So mormons don't wear crosses because they don't historically worship Christ, but instead J. SMith imho (scarcastically)|
|Subject:||No they dont wear it or use it as a symbol|
|Date:||Nov 22 12:48|
|Mormons like to say they focus on the resurrected jesus and not the
dead jesus which entirely misses the point of the cross but thats their reason.
Also, they might say dont like to display the murder weapon.
Finally, Mormons believe the atonement took place in the Garden of Gethsamene and not on the cross.
|Subject:||The cross as the murder weapon-sick analogy by my ex-husband|
|Date:||Nov 22 20:22|
|My TBM ex-husband said that they don't like crosses because it was the murder weapon. He actually said that it would be like wearing a rifle necklace if you admired JFK. This was said because at my baptisim, my neverMo mom gave me a cross necklace as a gift. Let's just say that his discusting analogy of the murder weapon started me on the way out of the church.|
|Subject:||I wear a cross necklace as my way of showing I left the church because Mormons hate crosses.n/t|
|Subject:||its considered a "sin" also a non-lds affiliation|
|Date:||Nov 22 13:53|
|I couldn't wear gold cross ear rings I received as gifts, it was
carefully explained to me in the seventies by my bishop's wife.
Living in the same area now I do carefully wear a crucifix both symbolically and as beautiful jewelry. Not garments. A cross. & Yes, that is, former-tbm-in-your-face w/o speaking a word.
|Subject:||My 10 year-old daughter stocks up|
|Date:||Nov 22 13:57|
|on crosses before she visits her dad. She knows he doesn't like them
and, it's as if she can't help herself, we have to go to the mall and buy necklaces and
bracelets with crosses all over them before she goes on a visit to him.
She hasn't openly rebelled against him and tries so hard not to rock his boat, but there's this determination to throw this in his face. Children are fascinating.
|Subject:||some quotes by Brigham Young|
|Date:||Nov 22 17:48|
|like "he that confesseth not that Jesus has come in the flesh
and sent Joseph Smith with the fullness of the gospel...is not of God but
"...no man or woman in this dispensation will enter into the Celestial Kingdom of God without the consent of Joseph Smith"
Both quotes are in the JoD and could be interpreted the way that Robert did. [in a deleted post, Robert stated erroneously that Mormons worship Smith] BUT...they certainly do not preach today that Joseph Smith is the Savior or greater than Jesus. Joseph Smith claimed to be greater than Jesus, but that is not taught outright today.
|Subject:||Here in Utah County....it's just like wearing a satanic symbol.|
|Date:||Nov 22 16:15|
|My daughters have worn them and you need to see their [Mormon] eyes and actions! They almost scream and run when they see it.|
|Subject:||Re: How odd|
|Date:||Nov 22 17:48|
|They [Mormons] don't hate Emma, they still talk about her great work for the church and for the women of the church and for the RS, they don't worship JS, all they do is not talk about the aspects of the lives of these earlier people that might cause conflict, they talk about the good things and forget about the bad, so that young people, new converts will never know, and they believe what they are taught, they have ignorance to protect them, any woman in the church will say she loves Emma because she was a great church lady, new members don't know about JS shortcomings or affairs, not many know about all his "wives" and it has even become practice that the church stop teaching about the polygamist actions of its early leaders, as to protect the innocence of the ignorant.|
|Subject:||Pentagrams in the temple|
|Date:||Nov 22 22:42|
|A thought- if the pentagrams are upside down (one point facing
down), it's symbol of Satanism. However, the pentagrams that are upright (one point facing
up) are a symbol used by Wiccans. Wiccans are not Satanists, despite the arguments of many
Christians who don't understand the religion.
Okay, I'm an idiot. I actually read the subject line now.
Weird. Who the hell would put an upside down pentagram anywhere?!
|Subject:||Re: do Mormons not wear crosses? like as jewelry?|
|Date:||Nov 22 17:54|
|I borrowed a cross from a devout Lutheran once, well she gave it to me, in hopes that I would seek Jesus, I gave it back when I realized she really missed in (her grandmother gave it to her) Well I wore it to seminary and the teacher gave me a sad look and told me to make sure I knew what I was representing.|
|Subject:||They can't because they'll catch on fire ha ha|
|Date:||Nov 22 18:14|
|It has been a symbol of rebellion since I can remember here in the Salt Lake valley--I'm 48. I was wearing one a few days ago around people who I think had assumed I was LDS like them. Their attitude changed immediately and they were at once rude and mocking. I should set this situation up again intentionally some day and secretly film it.|
|Subject:||any links to "official" (cough, cough) policy regarding this?|
|Date:||Nov 22 18:41|
|All the answers just say the MORG disapprove of wearing crosses, and most of it appears to be by the reactions it brings around TBM. (I loved the one about how they run as if repelled. Makes me think of vampires running from Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Interesting note, I have a Morg relative that dressed as Buffy for Halloween, and wore a BIG cross.) Is there, though, any statement by a Profit or GA (as GBH regarding piercings) about this subject? Or is it just something that every TBM learns by osmosis as they grow up, but not why they are not supposed to?|
|Subject:||I saw a quote once|
|Date:||Nov 22 20:05|
|and can't seem to find it again, (I know, I know...the missing reference) but it was by Bruce McConkie, maybe from Mormon Doctrine (?) stating that the cross is a pagan symbol. Of course I have seen much strong language from Mc Conkie about Christianity being pagan and such. Maybe someone has the direct quote?|
|Subject:||My 8 year old daughter wore a cross|
|Date:||Nov 23 00:34|
|as a necklace in front of my ultra-TBM cousin, who has a doctorate,
and is a professor at BYU. My cousin just about came unglued when she saw my daughter
wearing the necklace, and told me that I was allowing my daughter to wear pagan jewelry
and anti-mormon sentiments.
I let her ramble; I didn't care then, and I don't care now. My daughter is more spiritual and religious at 8 than my cousin is at 31!
|Subject:||Thanks. Found text where McConkie talks about it.|
|Date:||Nov 23 00:43|
Several interesting points. McConkie considers the cross as having come from Egyptian Symbols, making it "repugnant." What about all those symbols on the temple, and the holy underwear???? They're not Egyptian???
He also seems to equate wearing a cross to worshiping a cross. I personally don't know any Christians that WORSHIP a cross. They wear it as a SYMBOL of what they believe.
McConkie also explains statues of MORONi, Breedem Young, etc. as acceptable because they are a SYMBOLIC, and they do not bow down and worship them. They should tell that to some of their members. On at least a couple occasions in the past year I have seen people bowing down on one knee in front of the statue to restoring the priesthood in Temple Square. Sure looked like they were worshiping to me.
|Subject:||quote from Encyclopedia of Mormonism|
|Date:||Nov 23 00:50|
|"..the cross, with its focus on the death of Christ, does not
symbolize the message of a living, risen, exalted Lord who changes the lives of his
Funny. Most Christians I know view a cross AS focusing on the risen Lord, not on his death. That's why it's empty.
|Subject:||Egyptian symbols are BAD??!!|
|Date:||Nov 23 02:13|
|That quote is about the most ridiculous thing I've read.
Ummmmm...Aren't those Egyptian symbols in the Pearl of Great Price???? From Egyptian
papyrii?? One of the STANDARD WORKS? The Book of Abraham? Oh, let's conveniently forget
THAT! What an ass. (Sorry couldn't think of a better word).
I personally wear a cross, I did before I converted and have put it back on again. I certainly don't worship it. I just find it comforting.
> xyz wrote:
> McConkie also explains statues of MORONi, Breedem Young, etc. as acceptable because they are a SYMBOLIC, and they do not bow down and worship them. They should tell that to some of their members. On at least a couple occasions in the past year I have seen people bowing down on one knee in front of the statue to restoring the priesthood in Temple Square. Sure looked like they were worshiping to me.
Singing "Praise to the Man" isn't a form of worship? Please.
|Subject:||Re: Egyptian symbols are BAD??!!|
|Date:||Nov 23 02:14|
> That quote is about the most ridiculous thing I've read.
I take that back. It's ALL ridiculous.