Why do people who were never Mormons post on exmormon.org?

Subject:

never-mo posters

Date:

Sep 02 23:58

Author:

jenlyn


I was just wondering why you guys post here. Do you have family members that were sucked into it and this is how you are dealing with it? Were you almost sucked into it, and this board "saved" you. I find it interesting that we seem to have quite a few never-mo posters. Also, just out of curiosity, are there any boards like this for people leaving other cults, I would like to see what they have to say, and what their complaints are.

 

Subject:

history recent &fascinating, also like being wooed by mushies nt

Date:

Sep 03 00:08

Author:

lonely old tart

Subject:

Re: never-mo posters

Date:

Sep 03 00:19

Author:

Creamy Wibbibs


I hang around this board because I like the whole Mormon/Utah culture thing, and because I've learned SO much about LDS theology here! (I live in heavily Mormon Las Vegas, so there's plenty of them around...missionaries harassing people waiting at bus stops)

 

Subject:

Deborah Laake brought me here........

Date:

Sep 03 00:33

Author:

Doxigrafix


I did a web search with her name after reading "Secret Ceremonies" and this site was one of the links that came up in the search. I started nosing around.

After lurking for a bit, I got brave and stuck a toe in the water by posting. When I did not pull back a bloody stump I decided to stick around a bit, or at least until youse guys raise the standards and kick my silly @$$ off!

I am a recovering Catholic. I was put on the RCC's Nasty Old Harlotty Whores List by marrying a divorced Methodist man. Don't let anyone tell you that the RCC doesn't recognize a Protestant marriage! I was not officially excommunicated, but I am not permitted to partake of any of the sacraments, and when I die I'm on the fast train to hell... plus no Catholic funeral Mass for me, and my harlotty little bod cannot be buried in "consecrated ground".

Religion, especially controlling religion (some say ALL religion is controlling, perhaps that's so!) both fascinates and frightens me. I keep studying it, much like a person keeps craning their neck to peer at a car wreck.

Be Well,
D.

 

Subject:

Re: never-mo posters

Date:

Sep 03 00:35

Author:

Bella


I'm a little embarrassed to say why I'm here.

It all started when I went online for the first time. I had been an Osmond fan as a teenager, wondered whatever happened to them ( the Osmonds) and stopped by their website. Well! It turned out their forums were loaded down with women, basically my age, I ended up hanging around for a while. Err......let's say I hung around online for 6 years with Osmond fans before I finally woke up and smelled the coffee. I have freakin' NOTHING in common with the vast majority of my Osmond fan contemporaries. I'm not Mormon, AND WILL NEVER BE, I'm married but we (happily) never had children. Needless to say MANY Osmo fans are Mormon chicks. ( And they drove me nuts along with that other HE, namely Donny, Merrill, Jimmy, etc they worship!)

So I dropped by here to DE-PROGRAM because for years upon years upon years......first by Osmonds, then by Osmond fans...I have been spoon-fed complete crapola about Mormonism. My association with it all made me soft on Mormonism. I particularly want to go back to believing it is the cult my parents kept (rightfully) telling me it was!

Anyhoo..as it turns out I'm not a fan of the Osmonds either. Think they are super dorks! Have great distaste for how they wield their celebrity as a missionary tool for the morg.

 

Subject:

LOL

Date:

Sep 03 09:24

Author:

Shane


Recovering Osmond fans are welcome at this site.

 

Subject:

Why I'm here

Date:

Sep 03 02:13

Author:

Truth Serum


My husband was a TBM and lived the Word of Wisdom, but didn't attend when I met and married him. Those were pre-internet days and I knew absolutely nothing about Mormonism. Of course he wanted me to join, but my common sense prevailed and I told him not only would I *not* join, any children we had wouldn't join either - just too much didn't make sense and I knew something was "wrong" with this religion.

I came here to understand my husband and dysfunctional in-laws. Before my husband found out the truth about Mormonism on the internet, he was very smug and self-righteous about Mormonism. Needless to say, he was very disturbed with the lies, BOA, Kinderhook plates, polygamy/polyandry, etc. and resigned from the cult.

I also came here to further understand my very, very dysfunctional father-in-law's Mormon side of the family. About half of the people on his father's side are Mormon. They are unbelievable, but now I better understand why they act the way they do. Unfortunately, due to their toxic behavior, we've had to cut them out of our lives for self-preservation.

I continue to come here because I enjoy reading the board.

 

Subject:

Re: never-mo posters

Date:

Sep 03 03:28

Author:

Satisfied Customer


I'm surrounded by Morgbots, and I hate them. I wanted to find good reasons.

 

Subject:

I have a dear friend...

Date:

Sep 03 04:46

Author:

Pan


…Who started to make the Morg an issue in her life. Out of curiosity, I started to look into the Morg. This site was one of the very top links when I put "Mormon LDS" into Google.

Now, I have always been "anti-religion" and have often enjoy "debating" theology and religion. Also, I am a humanist, and a fan of the Founding Fathers sentiment that we are equals and individuals, and I dislike the sexism that still seems saturate the base of society, so guess I've always been sorta a feminist, which is sorta incongruent because I can also be a male pig too. Psychoanalysis aside, the point is: Learning what I've learned, I find the Mormon Church to be a poster child for all that is wrong with religion, and I find its sugar coated misogyny sickening. It is all that I'm not.

Good news is, my friend I believe now counts herself as an exmo. WHEW!!

In fact, I believe she posts here now too, which is funny because I think she was miffed when she found out that I was visiting here.

So, I've stayed, and from time to time, spout when I cannot help but to do so. I hope to be funny sometimes, to make some theocrat and/or bigot cry now and then, and maybe encourage someone to stand up for themselves as an individual, particularly the chicks. As such, stories like yours make me happy, Jenlyn! Woot!!

Cheers!
Pan

 

Subject:

Re: never-mo posters

Date:

Sep 03 09:52

Author:

mateo


I've lived in Utah for roughly 30 years, and believe it or not, didn't know much about Mormonism. My ex wife was Mormon, and my current wife is sort of Mormon, but I still didn't know much about it, other than the lifestyle aspect. I've never cared to learn about it until my son got involved in it a couple of years ago, when his girlfriend got him interested. Recently he's been all gung ho about going on a mission, which really pisses me off, since it will interfere with his schooling, which is my number one priority for him.
Anyways, I looked into it a little bit, and found several websites that freaked me out. Since then I've become obsessed with learning as much as I can about this cult, because if you're going to argue or debate something, you need to know something about it. I've learned a lot from all of you, and I really appreciate you posting your stories. It gives my a lot of reference sources. I just started reading No Man Knows My History. I've started a few discussions with my son, and asked him to find answers.
It's started him thinking about it, but I don't think it will make him doubt the church enough to get out of it, since he'd probably lose his girlfriend and most of his friends.
So basically, I'm just here to learn and mostly lurk.
Thanks.

 

Subject:

Re: never-mo posters

Date:

Sep 03 09:53

Author:

LdyStacie

 

 


I've just started coming to this message board and reading and I've posted a little bit. I came here because when I was in High School, I had some friends that were Mormon and they told some of their beliefs. Then I did my 12th grade term paper on Mormonism (proving it wrong) Being a Baptist, I used the Bible solely to prove it was wrong. (At that time that was the only I knew to prove it wrong. And I thought that was what the Teacher wanted. I still got an A on the paper and she said that point was proven better than the person the semester before who was proving it right.) Then a few months ago, one of my very good internet friends told me that she converted to Mormonism 5 years ago and told me that what I thought I knew were all lies. And another internet friend of mine said that her Mormon neighbors and co-workers also said what I learned were all lies. And she suggested that I do some up to date research cause the LDS could have changed their teachings to the "right way" Well, everything so far tells me that either these Mormons that my friend lives by is either lying to her (they sometimes take my friend's daughter to church with them) or they don't know what their church (maybe they sleep during the worship services?) teaches even though they have been Mormon since birth. And I'm just afraid that my Mormon friend is being lied to by her Ward since she has only been there for 5 years.

Anyway, I'm hoping on being able to convince my friend what the church really teaches.

Boy I wish I had had internet access back in 1991 when I was doing my term paper. I could have also used history to prove my point. Nah, I didn't have the mind set to use history as the core basis, although I did use some history in the paper.

Stacie

 

Subject:

I started looking into Mormonism when I lived in Arizona and my children's friends started "fellowshipping"

Date:

Sep 03 09:55

Author:

curious2no


them - church dances, outings, etc. There were a couple of weird interactions and I wanted to learn more.

Before these interactions, I had lived in Arizona for 17 years and never thought much about the Mormon religion. The Mormons I knew seemed nice, if not a little clannish. I would have probably told you the founder of the Mormon religion was Brigham Young because of BYU.

Now, I am just addicted to this site. I am completely amazed that some of my colleagues and friends actually go along with these beliefs and practices. It is an amazing study in human nature.

I do very little posting, because I realize I bring little to no insight into the experiences expressed here.

 

Subject:

Re: never-mo posters

Date:

Sep 03 09:56

Author:

Sooze K.


Our town was up in arms about the Mormons "taking over" by building a huge church on the edge of town and flooding the area with missionaries.

Since I don't take the local paper, I was unaware of the hubbub until a church youth pastor knocked on my door and warned me of the "dangers of Mormonism" in a pamphlet he (and a lot of the other area churches) were passing out throughout the neighborhood.

Several churches held "the truth about Mormonism" sermons in this time period, as evidenced by their street-side signage.

I came here looking for the straight scoop and began reading the exit stories and eventually the bb.

The proposed Mormon church in town was never built.

 

Subject:

family member convert

Date:

Sep 03 10:00

Author:

Marta


Mormons don't just affect Mormons. When our never-mo family was invaded by a conversion through marriage it tore our family apart. Years later in hind-sight we are starting to see what happened, but the why is the reason I visit here.

 

Subject:

Re: never-mo posters

Date:

Sep 03 10:07

Author:

wife's a mo


I have never been a mo but I married into a very TBM family. They have never been successful at converting me but they were successful in leading me to believe that it wasn't harmful for my wife and kids to attend church. I never went to church with them but always encouraged them to go if they wanted. I saw no harm in this until recently when my wife started to become very TBM. She started going to the temple and couldn't tell me what happened. I became alarmed at this and started looking into her 'church' a little deeper and of course discovered some very disturbing information. I began vocalizing my discontent with the situation to my wife and eventually asked that our children not go to church. I didn't want them to be programmed. They are still young so other than noticing they don't go to church any more they don't notice anything different other than the constant tension in the house whenever church is mentioned or our TBM family is present. As you know, this causes great 'concern' among TBMs. I've even had meetings with the 'Bishop' and I'm not even a member?! I read the posts on this board almost daily to learn what I can expect from our friends, family, and other church members when they come to realize my true feelings. So far, I can relate to almost everything y'all post it's been very educational. This site also provides hope for me that my wife will eventually see the 'truth' and accept that the church is NOT the one 'true' church. I hope you don't mind if I keep listening.

 

Subject:

Re: never-mo posters

Date:

Sep 03 10:26

Author:

odd fascination


I had never given Mormonism a second thought until I joined a playgroup for my toddler and found out that five or six of the regulars are Mormon. When I began to look into it just out of curiosity, I became more and more fascinated w/it ... especially with the whole underwear thing. I live in a very hot/humid climate and can't imagine my life w/o tank tops and shorts and the occasional cold beer. I read Under the Banner of Heaven and became even more intrigued. Then I visited the suburb where I grew up and saw that there is now a huge Mormon temple there. So the answer is, it's just a subject that interests me. I don't know why ... it just does. This is my first post on the board, I mostly just enjoy reading everyone's perspectives. I have certainly learned a lot, and the way I see it that can't be a bad thing.

 

Subject:

I am a never-mo (long)

Date:

Sep 03 11:12

Author:

Nora_AZ


What brought me to this board was a lot of research on Mormonism. It has fascinated me for years now. I attribute that to the fact that I was nearly sucked in as a teenager. I had a boyfriend who I met who was TBM. I question now how TBM he really was to actually date me but he did. Through him and the church I met others from my school who I became friends with. We were friends mainly in Church except for one girl who was I was a cheerleader with. We probably would've been friends with or without the church because we were always in close contact with each other which had nothing to do with the church. I would spend the night often with her so I saw how a TBM family functioned. They would take me to Church with them every Sunday and my friend and I would go to Mutual together.
All seemed fine. I went through all the discussions. They were even talking about my baptism date (I was probably about 17 by this time) Things to me however just didn't add up and I thought the Church had very strange doctrines after I examined it closely. Though I liked the Church for it's social events I couldn't get past the doctrine so I would just tell the mishies that my parents wont let me get baptized till I was 18.
Actually, my parents were quite upset that I was going to a Mormon church and had the Pastor of the Church I was brought up in talk with me on my feelings. I was never discouraged, I think my parents just wanted me to let it run it's course, which it did.
I think if they would've "banned" me from going it would've made it look better so I am quite confident they did the right thing yet I know it was so hard on them.
The talks the mishies had with me blew my mind. They did tell me the "meat" of the Church (well other than temple stuff of course, that's the prime rib lol) They told me of multiple Gods, there being no Trinity, God is flesh and bones, Lamanites etc. I couldn't EVER buy into it, not in a million years I couldn’t. Still I was drawn to what I thought was a very whacky doctrine. I think that's why as of today I still do research on the religion. I didn’t even know about garmies until about 10 years ago. That totally floored me. I was in the Church for 2+ years and had no clue. I think after I learned about that it was a case of "ok what else is top secret that I can discover"
I have to say though that for me it's just research and it has nothing to do with poking fun of the members or past members of the Church. I am the first one to stand up and defend some of the rumors I've heard from never-mo's if they say something that truly is false. One person told me she heard that the Bishops actually "de-flower" the bride before the husband gets her. Things like that I will defend. The truth is bad enough. lol

 

Subject:

I have a similar history...

Date:

Sep 03 11:55

Author:

RogerV


... though I never seriously considered being baptized. I grew up in a small town on the far edges of the Mormon Corridor where there was very little to do. The Mormons had a lot more social stuff going on in those days, especially for kids and by best friend was Mormon.

I had quite a number of people "leaning" on me very hard to join, and I eventually had to break off associating with them because I got sick of the constant pressure. Later I moved to an area where it's easy to forget the Mormon Church even exists, and I didn't think about it much for many years.

Last year I reconnected with my old best friend at a reunion and discovered that he's a near-apostate, though he still appears to be a TBM on the surface. I doubt that his marriage is going to survive either, and I'm doing my best to support him as he makes the transition. RFM is a big help in understanding where he is coming from (several times he's expressed surprise at the fact that I seem to know exactly "where he is" almost before he's even told me something).

I would also add that almost all of the information about the Mormon Church that is now on the internet was available before the internet existed. The problem was that you had to dig a lot harder to find it, and it's a lot harder to hide a stack of books than it is to disguise what you've been looking at on the web.

 

Subject:

I have never "reconnected" with any old friends....

Date:

Sep 03 12:22

Author:

Nora_AZ


from the Mormon church. The girl who I was such good friends with moved away from my small hometown and I haven't a clue where she is but I would love to find out whatever came of her.
Her family was very TBM but she had a secret life of non-Mormon boyfriends, drinking and wearing clothes her parents would never approve of. She had a "testimony" so she said at the time but found it hard to live the WOW.
At times I think I acted more "TBM" than she did.
This bothered me greatly because everyone thought she was so moral and her family thought I would tarnish her. She had no problems doing it all on her own.
She would laugh in retelling me stories of how her Mom would tell her to be wary of me and my worldly influences yet she would appear to me as a TBM mother figure who I could talk to and who loved me like a daughter. The two-sidedness bothered me greatly.
Though I haven't found any of my old friends from my days of attending the church I did run into someone on this board who seemed to know everyone I did.
She was a couple years older than me and belonged to a different ward in the same building but did know quite a few people I did. I just didn't remember who she was and she didn't remember me either.

 

Subject:

Re: never-mo posters

Date:

Sep 03 11:34

Author:

Librarian


Mormons stole my child when she was vulnerable due to parents divorce.
Now we can talk, but never about serious things like death, politics or Gordon Hinckley.
I met msmom IRL and have a great regard for her and others that I follow on the board. The life histories continue to fascinate me: it's like being in Social Studies all over again!
Librarian

 

Subject:

Re: never-mo posters

Date:

Sep 03 12:04

Author:

yes I'm from Utah -- NO I'M NOT MORMON


I really enjoy this board. I was raised in Utah and now live here again. I have never been a mo, but obviously, I'm surrounded. My husband was ex-communicated and my MIL is a TBM. It's nice to come to this board and learn about what Mormons really believe. I think I know more than a lot of them do about their own religion. I also enjoy the humor that I find here. I think it makes living in Utah a little easier.

 

Subject:

Friendship

Date:

Sep 03 12:21

Author:

Alexgirl73


I was brought up Scottish Protestant (or Presbyterian) and didn't really know much about Mormonism until I had my first child and she started nursery. One of the other mothers and I became good friends and told me she was a Mormon. She used to mention it quite a lot and was always trying to get me to agree to the mishies coming round for a visit, but I held fast! She used to come along to a parent and toddler group I ran in MY local church and didn't speak about it there but when we were in each others house the subject was usually brought up in some small way i.e. family night, BoM, the scroll in the bathroom about family etc. I used to just laugh it all off but eventually I got quite curious. My minister warned me away from it all but I have always been the type of person who likes to do their own investigation, so I went on the web and lo and behold I found this site. It has been a wonderful source for me, and I haven't just taken your view points, I have looked at actual Mormon sites and found them to be quite disturbing places. Unfortunately, I let the mishies come and visit before I found this place so I live in hope they will come again now that I have. The reason why I post is to clarify some things I don't yet understand fully or to hopefully put across an unbiased viewpoint sometimes. I will always be a never-mo, 'cause there is no way I would ever convert now!

 

Subject:

Re: never-mo posters

Date:

Sep 03 12:14

Author:

smartblkchick


I stumbled on this site because a friend was doing a project on Mormon women. I stayed because I am transitioning out of the Catholic Church. While the Catholic Church isn't nearly as much of a pain in the butt to leave, the family issues are similar to Mormon family issues. My mother's reaction to my "issues" with Catholicism would make some of the TBM parents discussed here seem positively sane.

 

Subject:

Oh, I understand...

Date:

Sep 03 13:46

Author:

Doxigrafix


I'm a recovering catholic too, and you are right, some of the issues ARE similar.

And believe it or not, there ARE some catholic splinter groups like "Opus Dei" that DO get into underwear! I've heard and read that Opus Dei members wear hair shirts!

 

Subject:

Huh?? Never heard of those groups...can I have more info please n/t

Date:

Sep 03 14:54

Author:

Nora_AZ

 

 

Subject:

Sure. Have a link.

Date:

Sep 03 15:54

Author:

Doxigrafix


http://www.rickross.com/groups/opus.html

http://www.rickross.com/reference/opus/opus13.html

 

Subject:

Re: never-mo posters (long)

Date:

Sep 03 12:14

Author:

b-cat


Here's my story. I got "involved" with a woman about 7 or 8 years ago. She was very attractive, intelligent, a good mother to her two children, etc... As time went on, she finally disclosed to me that she got involved in the Mormon church around age 13, and attended faithfully until around age 24. At the time of our relationship however, she hadn't been practicing for at least 3 years, and I just figured she'd lost interest never to return. Well, one thing led to another, and even though she was on the pill, (so she said), she informed me that she was pregnant. The news was devastating to me at first. I cared for this woman, really liked her, but there was always something just not quite right, at least not right enough, and that was what had kept me from committing to her. About two or three weeks after she broke the news to me, I decided that it's time for me to grow up and take responsibility. I'll marry her and be the best dad I can be to our new child.

That was all well and good, and things were going relatively fine, until one day the topic of religion came up. I was raised in a Christian church, and although I hadn't been living a "Christian" life, I still had strong beliefs on what it meant to be a Christian. I had always wanted to raise my kids in church, but which church we attended wasn't all that important to me, as long as it followed the bible. Well, she was ADAMANT that she would not accept attending any church at all other than the Mormon church. She would rather NOT attend than attend a church of another faith. My plan was to find a church that we could BOTH agree upon, and her plan was to take the kids to "her" church, even if I didn't want to go.

As we debated, the intensity increased. I was called judgmental, close minded, stubborn, (ok, so maybe I am a bit stubborn, lol). She would get so extremely worked up if I brought up anything at all about the Mormon church that seemed out of whack to me. I finally realized that this woman had been totally brainwashed and I knew there was no way a marriage with her could ever work out. This was extremely gut wrenching because I had every intention of being a full time, loving daddy.

Well, to skip forward to today. My little girl just turned 5 years old, and I love her more than I ever thought possible. We are VERY close and do get to spend a lot of time together. Her mom married another man, (who happened to be raised Catholic), and now lives in a great big house. About a 8 months ago, she really started getting back into the Mormon church. My reason for coming here is to find out as much as I can about Mormonism, and what to expect that they will be trying to pound into my little girls head. I've been very subtle about planting seeds of doubt into my daughters head. Comments like, "honey, I know your mom believes in the book of Mormon, but you know daddy doesn't believe in that book", are ways I try to let her know that there are other ways of thinking outside the Mormon church. She seems to understand this. It's a fine line I have to walk though. I am careful not to cause her to have negative feelings towards her mom.

Anyway, sorry for my ramblings. I'm just here to learn. ;)

 

Subject:

Family... Isn't it about time?

Date:

Sep 03 15:57

Author:

MySongAngel


What a crock. TBMs don't even realize that their stupid cult rips families apart before they even start. I know a girl that actually divorced her husband because he stopped going to church!! They had a little girl together! I still can't even stand to look at this lady. What a self-righteous, stupid person. She's now remarried with one more child. So what if this guy stops going to church? It really pisses me off to think that she is causing such horrible turmoil in her little daughter's life all because of a stupid, delusional vision that a humble farm boy claimed to have a hundred and eighty years ago.

 

Subject:

Re: never-mo posters

Date:

Sep 03 12:52

Author:

Non mo here


I am an avid lurker due to the fact that circumstances in my life have led me to take up residence in Southern Idaho from the Midwest (I always wondered when I first moved here why people kept asking me "What made you decide to move HERE?").

When I was younger living in the Midwest , I had some idea of Mormons since we had a visit or two from missionaries and there was a Mormon family in our neighborhood. When I was a young teenager, I even went to Nauvoo and Carthage and saw the sights there (had non-Mormon relatives in those parts).

I always thought the Mormons I had come in contact with were a little off but had no idea to how strange (to me) the culture was until I moved here and became surrounded by neighbors and co-workers who are Mormon.

I have to say I've become quite resentful of how the Mormons religion and culture has intruded on my life (why should I have to go to a special store to buy liquor or be worried I won't get a job because my resume doesn't have a mission reference on it). My way of combating my frustrations is to come here for further understanding about what the culture is all about. It's definitely been an enlightening experience.

 

Subject:

Re: never-mo posters

Date:

Sep 03 13:15

Author:

Nobody Moves to Utah !


My daughter is a TBM wannabe and I came here to get ammunition to persuade her against it. I found great info but perhaps more importantly, hope. It has been very encouraging to read the stories of those who were TBM's but finally came to accept that the church is not what it claims to be.

She recently turned eighteen and hasn't been dunked yet, but she still insists on exploring the idea by attending sacrament and now institute at the UofU. The real test will come next spring when the missionary boyfriend who talked her into it in the first place comes home.

 

Subject:

Boyfriend? Oooohhhh...

Date:

Sep 03 15:51

Author:

MySongAngel


She's history. Unless he dumps her. Good luck with that. There are worse things she could be doing, though. I'd rather have a child experiment with Mormonism than, say, drugs or alcohol. Better locked up in a temple than locked up in jail. Of course, avoiding either is ideal. Sorry, just trying to look on the bright side.

 

Subject:

My wife was assimilated a decade ago. The Borg tried to

Date:

Sep 03 14:48

Author:

Seeker


get me, but the Morgbot Nanites have no effect on me. I have been a "Never-mo" ever since. I wonder if it wouldn't have been easier to succumb to the Morgbots. I have been in a sort of hell ever since. If I was Christian, I could say "They'll get my cross from me when they pry it from my cold, dead hands!"

No, this site didn't save me FROM Mormonism, but it has damned sure helped save my sanity since my wife's assimilation into the cult.

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