Posted by: helemon ( )
Date: February 23, 2011 01:01AM
Admin Note: Multi-level marketing companies in Utah include MonaVie, Nu Skin, Tahitian Noni, Nature's Sunshine, Xango, and many others.
Background information: special-markets/utah-lds/utah-hotbed/
A more complete list of companies in Utah: RecruitingMLMs-Utah-rev2-8-8.pdf
"To outsiders, events such as this have all the feel of a cult, the true believers cheering as men and women dangle promises of wealth, spiritual well-being, personal health, family togetherness and happiness through the medium of fruit juice."
"If you really throw everything in and just ballpark it for the economic impact on the state, I think it gets pretty close to $10 billion," Israelsen said. "As best we can tell, behind tourism we’re the biggest industry."
That says a lot about Utah.
Posted by: SL Cabbie ( )
Date: February 23, 2011 01:48AM
One can almost tell where each one is on the parabolic
curve that is the "measurable lifeforce" of an MLM by the tipping
habits of the participants...
Early on, everybody is gung-ho and has a "gonna get rich" attitude...
Then the higher-ups move in and start bussing everyone everywhere (because otherwise they'd be spending money on cab fare).
After that, everything turns to fizzle... The fizzle can go on for years...
There are some exceptions, but only a few. The "Stampers" crowd who are into scrapbooking supplies and such (a popular pastime for stay-at-home LDS wives) are always fun, but then they're doing it as much for the social aspect as anything...
Vegas promises people they can win at the casino gambling; Utah's MLM's promise they can win by recruiting a whole bunch of down-liners...
Not much difference...
Posted by: Fetal Deity (
Date: February 23, 2011 02:25AM
"And if it so be that you should labor all your days
in crying repentance unto this people, and bring, save it be one soul
unto me, how great shall be your joy with him in the kingdom of my
"And now, if your joy will be great with one soul that you have brought unto me into the kingdom of my Father, how great will be your joy if you should bring many souls unto me!"
(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 18:15 - 16)
Posted by: tiptoes ( )
Date: February 24, 2011 10:49AM
Excellent! My husband looks at me crazy when I tell him that the church is the most successful MLM scheme ever.
Posted by: Don Bagley ( )
Date: February 23, 2011 04:01AM
I like how most of the income for MLMs comes from
distributors rather than sales. Doesn't that mean it's a Ponzi? Money
is being squeezed from someone without moving product.
And Mormons are against Alcohol and Hemp and Porn? All of those are physical products. MLMs pretend to have a product, but at $30 dollars a quart, you're not selling much juice.
The Mormons are the worst hypocrites in the country. I guess when you pay a ten percent tax for occasional temple access you have to be some kind of dupe.
Posted by: axeldc ( )
Date: February 23, 2011 06:40AM
MLMs prosper because Mormons believe in a prosperity
gospel. They are taught that if you are good, God will shower riches
on you both in Heaven and on Earth. They are not Franciscans, who
eschew worldly wealth for eternal glory. They believe, like Job's
"comforters", that wealth is a sign of virtue and poverty comes from
wickedness. People are poor because they are lazy, unless they are
widows and then Tommy Monson will visit them personally.
MLMs follow the same model as LDS, Inc. LDS, Inc. says "give us 10% of your income and all your free time and we'll make you wealthy, healthy, happy and loved for eternity." If you are not wealthy, healthy, happy or well loved, it's because you are not fully committed to the program. The program cannot fail to work; only you can fail to work hard enough for the program.
When your wealth is a symbol of your virtue, get-rich-quick schemes are a sure way to tap into God's blessings. It's a lot more fun than getting an education, working for years to build your resume, and living below your means to build up wealth.
Posted by: Unconventional Ideas
Date: February 23, 2011 07:18AM
MLM is a "great way" to be "successful"
in life without all of the tediously slow and hard stuff like getting
a degree in a hard science, learning a trade to a high degree of
proficiency, or reading a lot of difficult books.
MLM is the magic pill. Apparently, there are a lot of people in Utah who believe in magic.
And who I am to stop them.
Gotta be positive and upbeat no matter what, right? Even if what you're doing is borderline illegal, and clearly unethical. Positive mental attitude trumps all of that, and makes the unethical somehow ethical, right?
Posted by: axeldc ( )
Date: February 24, 2011 07:32AM
It is funny that most people I know who follow get rich quick schemes or MLMs (overlapping Venn Diagram) are not better off a decade later, whereas those taking the slow, dull path are.
Posted by: JoD3:360 ( )
Date: February 24, 2011 09:14AM
My parents wasted thousands of dollars they could not
afford trying to become amway bigwigs. Taking trips to conventions,
buying tape after tape of people talking about possibilities and
enthusiasm, boxes full of crap in the basement just waiting for the
magic customer/distributor to come along.
They had big dreams, a small farm and a big family and two jobs each to make ends meet and spent all their spare money on the amway gamble. Then they tried to get us kids into it. A couple brothers tried for a while.
Me, I told my dad one time- I've been watching you guys chase this amway tail since I was 10. When you make a profit, then maybe I'll consider it.
Posted by: goldenrule ( )
Date: February 24, 2011 09:34PM
Had to say the same thing to my TBM SIL
[sister-in-law] who was pushing Primerica on us - when you start
making any money, I will listen to your presentation. That was 4 years
ago and they still aren't making money (surprise, surprise).
And I always find it interesting that my TBM MIL can always come up with between $250-500 to join these MLMs (and she's done them all - goji, noni, Amway, quikstar, ACN, Primerica, and now CHOFFY, ugh...) but NEVER has the cash to come see us. Hmmmm...
Posted by: Just Browsing
Date: February 23, 2011 10:57AM
Like I have mentioned before --Mathmatically to go 6
across and 8 down and each having 6 people with 8 down, (also it
cannot be anyone else who is in an MLM), It would take over 13,000
people who have to be making real money to stay interested. There is
just not enough money in Utah to be in one, and at $30.00 per bottle
who can afford it.
How they make their money is the $400.00 start up fee. All you need is 2,500 suckers to part with $400 to become a millionaire
I know one guy who goes to all the initial meetings, signs up and has a garage full of Noni, Xango, Mona Vie, Zrii, because he never sells any at all !!!!!!
The only way to be rich in MLM is to start one !!!
Posted by: Shiner Bock (
Date: February 24, 2011 09:49AM
One guy claims to have gone from working in a chicken
factory to making $400,000 a year....till it all fell apart. He also
uses the classic MLM hook:
"Most people that join a mlm company will not ever turn a profit. The 'Average' distributor never turns a profit. It is not an opportunity for average people. Jobs are an opportunity for average people.
MLM is an opportunity for people who are ready and willing to become extraordinary. You do not make $10,000 a month in MLM unless you are a servant leader....supporting others to get what they want."
The appeal to ego and vanity. Of course average people don't make money in it...but you are not average are you? You are different than the masses and that makes you one of the elect. In fact, if God had three heavens I bet that you would make the top one!
The truth is, except for a few people in history we are all average. But don't tell that to people you are trying to convert. The elect hear his voice don't cha know!
Posted by: Twinker ( )
Date: February 24, 2011 10:06AM
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Date: February 24, 2011 10:35AM
Posted by: mav ( )
Date: February 24, 2011 11:27AM
in the top 3 MLM's in UT was only less than 200 people per MLM company. Average schmuck makes $65. The real wealth is top 3 distributors and founders.
Posted by: snowball ( )
Date: February 24, 2011 11:15PM
This reminds me of the last time I flew into SLC. My flight companions in the nearby seats were a returning Mormon missionary, and a woman going to a MLM convention. Jesus Smith! Could a fella have worse luck.
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