Church Cleaning by members is quite unpopular. The Mormon Church laid off the janitors. Now this is expanding in Europe.

Posted by: steve benson ( ) also an Update from Norway December 19, 2010 where church cleaning is also being implemented
Date: December 15, 2010 01:36AM

I had dinner the other night with a lapsed Mormon friend of mine (who lurks on RfM but as of yet hasn't posted, although he says he wants to once he figures out how to use his new computer).

He informed me that his home teacher recently (meaning the end of November) left a voice message that the ward home teaching program was being changed in ways to, well, clean up its act.

That change, the home teacher relayed in the message, was that on occasion the home teacher would invite all his assigned families to go to the local ward house, where they would meet up, then clean it up.

My friend said this sparkling new wrinkle in the home teaching program would mean that instead of 12 monthly visits to the homes of an assigned family, twice a year or so the home teacher would dutifully assemble at the ward house with the sheep placed under his care for an edifying experience in spiritual sudsing.

My friend said that his home teacher pitched the new program by describing it as an opportunity for "service."

My friend was flabbergasted by the news and, just to make sure, contacted members of his extended family in the area to see if, in fact, this was the Mormon Church's new approach to home teaching. He said he was informed that, indeed, this ward house worker bee Janitors-for-Jesus initiative was being implemented as a periodic replacement during the calendar year for the traditional home teaching visit to family homes.

I asked my friend what he thought of this development. With an irritated look on his face and in a slightly raised voice (we were at a restaurant), he replied that his personal idea of service was not to clean the property of "a multi-billion dollar corporation."

He added that his wife's reaction was likewise less than enthusiastic. She noted that this meant people bringing along their kids--which meant that they would simply run around out of control. (His wife works in the Young Woman's program, so couldn't be described as a slouch).

I asked my friend how he responded to his home teacher's invitation to join him and the other assigned families in an inspiring adventure of group ward house cleaning.

He said he simply ignored this inner-cleansing call to service. He also said that he didn't expect any resistance from his hometeacher, describing the HT as a laidback kind of guy who, when he made his visits to their home, only knocks, doesn't come in and sometimes brings along goodies.

There you have it--another prophetic initiative to protect Morg profitability.

Come to church, brothers and sisters, and scrub the bathrooms.

Home teaching: Isn't it about slime?

I told him under no terms would I clean toilets.. He was shocked when I told him if they can build a 4 billion dollar mall they can afford to keep the custodians, which is now an unemployed man in our ward.

Jesus wants me for a janitor?

if the brethren don't secretly harbor a wish to destroy the church. How many members are going to just say enough when presented with this request?

Keep it up boys. Keep it up.

Lapsed Mormon friend's "personal idea of service was not to clean the property of 'a multi-billion dollar corporation.'" Yes, most members even would agree with that statement--but would not dare to say so, openly.

Instead, most of the sheeple obediently will submit... while the leaders plan the next thing to dump on them.

So when are they going to sink the boat and put ward house cleaning on a temple recommend???

The stupid "multi-billion dollar corporation" just keeps getting stupider and stupider.

TG
Posted by: anon ( )
Date: December 15, 2010 11:45AM

. . . does that mean Jesus is Satan?

Sounds like a comfortable fit in Mormon theology. :)

I've said before, my aunt and uncle who are in their 70s--who both hold jobs because they lost an big investment a few years ago--clean the conference center and the temple in their area in SLC. They moved back here about 5 years ago and have lived out of state for almost 40 years. BUT they can't get tickets to GC in the conference center.

My reactivated TBM daughter, gets tickets every conference (she is close to many local leaders)--so in order for my aunt and uncle to get tickets to the place they clean, they have to go through my 25-year-old daughter (she is going to try to get them some in the spring).

I want to believe I'd tell them h*ll no if they did this to me--but when I was TBM, I probably would have done it, or maybe not . . . didn't attend the temple much. Oh, maybe I wouldn't have after all. I refused to HOE BEETS for the church farm. I grew up hoeing beets and my father who didn't allow us to ever tell him, "no"--told me I was doing it and I said, "NO I'M NOT!" I can't believe that the members go along with this sh*t.

Boy, have you not heard? There is a temple in South Jordon that is now cleaned by the membership!

TBM divorced DIL [daughter in law] abandoned her kids in order to clean the bloody [temple] and had not supervised the children into having them bathe and put on clean clothes. When our poor son got the kids for visitation, they were wearing the same clothes as they were a few days before and were dirty and one of the kids had impetigo! He was crying as he was telling us us about the horrors!

Yeah, mormonism has NOTHING to do with families! PROFIT, PROFIT, PROFIT~!

Maybe they can skip town with all the loot and divide it up among the faithful who stick it out.

This is one great way to increase the ward's "Do Not Contact" List.

Members will not only not want the Home Teachers coming around, they won't want to BE Home Teachers themselves. The only thing worse than being asked to clean toilets, is to have to ask others to do it!

Clean buildings AND pay 10%! Boy, those blessing opportunities never stop.

I think one thing that really irritates many Mormons is when others don't have to pay and clean yet have a higher quality of life. All they can do is repeat the mantra, "I'll be blessed in the next life for doing this, they are getting their blessings now." Yeah, riiigggghtt.

Imagine the mental gymnastics it would take to clean slobbery Cheerios off the walls and toilets AND paying money. What a bunch of patsies.

What will happen is that families just won't show up, leaving the hapless HT to do it himself.

I've haven't heard anything about this yet in the mission field where I live but I'll sure keep my ears peeled! 8-O

to be able to serve when this subject came up.

They think the money saved will go to help the poor instead. They were so excited about this new example of inspired leadership in Mormonism.

No kidding, it left me wondering yet again just how far they could be pushed before they publicly registered pain or disgust.

Posted by: Nick Humphrey ( )
Date: December 19, 2010 05:43AM

this just in, from Norway sacrament meeting

they finally announced that members now have to clean the church building themselves. my friend is writing me live via his cell phone at church telling me:

"Each family has one week each to do the chores. now's a good time to go inactive"

Posted by: Observer ( )
Date: December 19, 2010 06:18AM

Trouble is, people differ in their concept of 'clean'.

Active LDS associate ( bishopric member ) says this is not an inspired decision because what some see as clean, others are appalled at - and his kids have to use the restrooms etc. he's not happy.

Posted by: Nick Humphrey ( )
Date: December 19, 2010 06:45AM

Re: Trouble is, people differ in their concept of 'clean'.

what you say is true, and statistically, it will be filthier in all lds chapels from here on out. there will always be someone who doesnt have a lot of time and does a rush job or someone who, like you say, thinks its "clean enough". whereas if a professional doesnt do a good job, he is fired and replaced by someone who will, so it will always be clean.

that could never be conceived as "inspired", especially considering the lds fetish for "cleanliness" =)

it is clear that the motive is financial and/or to prepare members for an even greater, uninspired, sacrifice.

Posted by: brigantia ( )
Date: December 19, 2010 07:22AM

I can't help thinking of European Health and Safety rules......

for public buildings. Is it likely that Health Inspectors might close some buildings down if they don't meet the criteria?

Briggy

Posted by: Nick Humphrey ( )
Date: December 19, 2010 07:24AM

good question, we should check this out...

although i dont think the churches are considered "public".

i posted the question on one of the country's biggest online newspapers, vg:
http://vgd.no/samfunn/religion-og-livssyn/tema/1619756/tittel/mormonere-maa-naa-vaske-sine-egne-kirker/innlegg/29980124/

will be interesting to see what people say.

Posted by: mormon411 ( )
Date: December 19, 2010 07:47AM

Re: this just in, from Norway sacrament meeting

The man responsible for this change is Craig H... He oversees many departments of the church and he is screwing around with many aspects of church employment in order to cut costs. I know a church employee who is very disgruntled with the church right now. Here it is, Christmas time, and the church is laying people off left and right.

If it was the "true church" they wouldn't be so concerned with saving a buck or two. But Jesus is running around in heaven with dollar signs in his eyes!

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