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Posted by: squeebee ( )
Date: February 05, 2014 11:06PM

Hi All, the Monson page on Wikipedia is getting the fraud charges repeatedly removed:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_S._Monson

Keep the pressure on, restore the edits when you see them removed. The more this is added back in by multiple users the more likely it is to stay.

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Posted by: thingsithink ( )
Date: February 05, 2014 11:09PM

I'll try to pitch in. It's surreal to read the fraud section.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/05/2014 11:09PM by thingsithink.

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Posted by: Lostmypassword ( )
Date: February 05, 2014 11:32PM

Not there, 8:30 PM Left Coast time, but it does mention "In the mid-1950s Monson was the secretary of the Utah State Roller Club, a group of pigeon breeders."

I needed to know that.

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Posted by: msp ( )
Date: February 06, 2014 01:48AM

The fraud allegations and summonses are fact, plain and simple. There isn't any interpretation or speculation happening on the wiki page. Isn't there some kind of wikipedia moderator who can have the page locked so as to prevent any changes to it?

That being said, I'll keep an eye out for any changes as well!

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Posted by: joesmithsleftteste ( )
Date: February 06, 2014 02:15AM

Yes, Wikipedia does have a moderator who will check up on things and lock it if an editing war breaks out. Keep changing it back until the moderator gets to it. Good luck!

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Posted by: Charee ( )
Date: February 06, 2014 02:18AM

It is now semi-protected (locked). I have to register, then wait 4 days plus 10 edits.

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Posted by: Newly Released ( )
Date: February 06, 2014 02:18AM

The fraud charges are gone again. Someone with an account, please restore it.

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Posted by: Levi ( )
Date: February 06, 2014 10:00PM

This must stay on.

There can be dispute that fraud charges have been filed.

There they are in black n white

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Posted by: Duke of Earl Grey ( )
Date: February 06, 2014 10:45PM

I really don't think most current events belong in a Wikipedia entry. I think the commenters on the Talk page have a good point, let's wait and see if this becomes a significant and defining event for Monson. It can always be added later if something comes of all this.

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Posted by: Beth ( )
Date: February 06, 2014 11:31PM

"On [date] in [court], Monson was issued a summons. The contentions were [ ]. " Then you add the outcome. Were the charges dropped? Did he fail to appear and was found guilty in absentia? Did he appear and was found not guilty?

You don't have to wait for the outcome to report what is happening now.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/06/2014 11:32PM by Beth.

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Posted by: Duke of Earl Grey ( )
Date: February 06, 2014 11:59PM

The way this story has been reported so far, there seems to be a general impression that the complaint is frivolous and baseless. I'm not saying I think it is frivolous (because I don't), or that it will go nowhere (though I'm not entirely convinced it will) but I can see why the Wikipedia moderators would be wary about posting details about every lawsuit ever filed against a public figure, until it becomes apparent whether there's substance to them or not.

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Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: February 07, 2014 12:03AM

. . . defines the elements and application of criminal fraud.

Mormon trolls/apologists here and elsewhere are particularly out of touch with anything that does not have Holy Ghosted-connection to Kolob.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/07/2014 12:04AM by steve benson.

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Posted by: Shummy ( )
Date: February 07, 2014 01:34AM

steve benson Wrote:
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> . . . defines the elements and application of
> criminal fraud.
>
> Mormon trolls/apologists here and elsewhere are
> particularly out of touch with anything that does
> not have Holy Ghosted-connection to Kolob.


Spot on.

The rules totally change across the pond.

Tommypologists are so accustomed to their little Salt Lake pond.

Drown ye life suckers.

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Posted by: Chicken N. Backpacks ( )
Date: February 07, 2014 12:21AM

No fraud charges when I looked, but I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw that pic' of him in Brazil....The Godfather!!

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Posted by: theironfist ( )
Date: February 07, 2014 01:22AM

Anybody notice the picture of DoDo and George Dubbya on that page?

Does that have a name? Will you give it to me?

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Posted by: baura ( )
Date: February 07, 2014 03:02AM

The talk page says the wiki policy is not to mention frivolous "lawsuits" aganist a living person.

However this is NOT a "lawsuit" it is a criminal investigation.

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Posted by: Tom Phillips ( )
Date: February 07, 2014 09:12PM

To remove something from wiki I thought you had to say something like "unreliable source".

There is evidence of a summons (2 in fact) being issued alleging criminal acts of fraud, signed by a UK District Judge. How is that unreliable?

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Posted by: canadianfriend ( )
Date: February 07, 2014 09:32PM

They can continue to remove it if they want, but eventually it will go on there permanently. It is a fact of history. It is not a frivolous law suit, it is a criminal investigation, as baura points out. A lot of people don't understand that just yet, but they will soon.

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