Your very own thread :)

I have a friend in court too. No news yet.

so excited and nervous... thank you for being there

You and your friend seriously deserve the 2014 Fawn Brodie award.

Maybe for each thread just add a new number...CityWorker 2, then CityWorker 3, and so on

Go get em

The people in the court have been asked to switch off mobile devices but will get news soon as i can...

thank you

First news...

It's not looking good.....:-(

Security in gallery x 3,warned about phone use

Lawyers in place church x 5 plus members x4

Tom has 3 people here 3 page decision to be read in full

oh bugger, they are taking it seriously then, with all the security

be careful, our mole doesn't want to be thrown out/done for contempt of court

Sounds like TSCC has complained about being vexated online from an unofficial transcript.

The costs thing is a tactical move designed to reduce Phillips ability to come at them again.

Its still sets a precedent for future cases, and gives any future case more specific information on how to construct a case.

Not a total failure.

Expect policy changes at conference as the lawyers won't be wanting a repeat.

FYI from our man on the inside

Service and process , not a reason to dismiss .

Philips asserted that monson mis represented .

Not sufficient for prosecution

Vexatious - would never reach a verdict .

No judge would allow to be put to a jury

Abuse of process

Withdrawn summons

Copies available

Costs !! Application .

At courts discretion .

Church saying abuse of process , wanting costs from Phillips , can make application from crown but they want costs from Phillips . Crown issued summons so they are liable .
Church asking for nominal costs .

Philips lawyer saying judge roscoe issued summons , so crown should pay . Philips was not improper as he acted in good faith .
Asking for Philips costs from crown now . Asking for reasonable amounts .

Church plunging knife , trying hard to deny the crown paying Phillips costs . Judge querying it ... Church asking for each side to pay own costs .

Judge thinking . Thinking long ..
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Church costs ,, judge says Phillips was tenacious , no order for costs against Phillips in favour of church .

Phillips looked for advice in wrong place Phillips post summons costs tone paid by crown ...

SUMMONS WITHDRAWN!

so,,,

toms gets his costs paid from central legal funds since issuing of summons. This was done in good faith but key elements were wrong and bad advice given

he LDS church instructed lawyers not to take funds from central legal but to go after costs directly from Tom. The judge did not award the church legal costs..... And didn't agree to a "nominal amount" to show example. Point of law and process were in error......

This to me, hints that it may have gone on if the court had not been in the wrong. They don't want him to be out of pocket because of their bad advice.

However, did they really say a judge would never allow this to go in front of a jury?

........ With other latter-day prophets, I testify of the truthfulness of this “most correct of any book on earth,”2 even the Book of Mormon, another testament of Jesus Christ. Its message spans the earth and brings its readers to a knowledge of the truth. ...............

It is my testimony that the Book of Mormon changes lives. May each of us read it and reread it. And may we joyfully share our testimonies of its precious promises with all of God’s children.

THAT was T. Monson!

I got this from a friend in court:

the court should not have advised a prosecution to Tom. Judge did not find direct quotes from monson and couldn't prove all Church material was being personally endorsed. The new summons will need explicit words stated publicly. The judge says it is not misconduct on toms part to seek recourse. Judge will pay Toms costs from central funds..... Church gets nothing!

Well Tom, there are plenty of recent apostle talks stating some plenty damning things. Including Bednar promising your health will suffer if you don't pay tithing.

At least he's not out of pocket and can start again.

depressing news so far

trial?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/20/2014 06:48AM by steve benson.

Steve, judging from what's been reported on here, this is isn't going to trial. Not until they have something they can actually pin on TSM. Tom would need to start again.

Can the summons be amended and reissued?

Oooh. That sucks

So if the fraud statute went before 2006?

Or find a country that can go the_church_as against Monson.

So, what has Packed said since 2006 fwiw?

So Monson didn't say it, but his 85,000 minions can perpetuate the established lie and that's okay?

I hope the judge tells Tom how to reintroduce this case

"Judge did not find direct quotes from monson and couldn't prove all Church material was being personally endorsed."

So the church won because Monson didn't testify of the truth of any of those things?

which is wrong - here he asserts 6000 years age of temporal existence of earth:

""For nearly **six thousand years**, God has held you in reserve to make your appearance in the final days before the second coming of the Lord. Some individuals will fall away, but the kingdom of God will remain intact to welcome the return of its Head—even Jesus Christ."

https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2011/10/dare-to-stand-alone
October 2011 general conference.

This is why prophets don't actually make statements anymore

Shit

This is Round 1.

Tom is already prepared for Round 2.

Much as we don't want to , we must just be patient.The wheels grind slowly!!

So Phillips is called tenacious by the judge, gets his costs paid, and the summons was NOT vexatious. Church has to pay its own costs! One nil to Mr Phillips.