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Posted by: doubleb ( )
Date: February 17, 2012 02:28PM

Might be worthwhile to include in your list for the ADL:

1) Once baptized, the deceased is often sealed by proxy to their spouse in fulfillment of the New and Everlasting Covenant.
2) Deceased male Jews then become polygamists and are charged with marrying multiple wives and populating new worlds.
3) Those deceased Jews become gods, priests, and priestesses nearly equal to God the Father, Jehovah, Abraham, Moses, etc.
4) Those deceased Jews will become Christians worshipping and bowing to Jesus Christ, negating thousands of years of tradition and no longer looking forward to a Messiah.
5) Yet, no matter how righteous those deceased Jews are/were, they'll never reach the same level as Jesus Christ or Joseph Smith (and probably
Warren Jeffs, still to be determined...)

Nice work, brother.

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Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: February 17, 2012 02:53PM

Re: Talked today with an official of the Anti-Defamation League about the necro-dunking of Simon Wiesenthal's parents. It's essentially the straw that's broken the camel's back . .

Steve,
I would suggest that when you speak with Mr. Foxman again you also point out that there is ALWAYS a CONFIRMATION step performed with each baptism in which two Mormon priests holding the "higher priesthood" confirms the deceased person is in fact a member of CoJCoLdS, and a third holder of the higher priesthood officially records this confirmation of membership on the rolls of the temple.

I also think you should share at least some of what happens in the Endowment, namely:

1. The proxy (on behalf of the deceased Holocaust victim) covenants that he will do all in his power for the building of CoJCoLdS, and makes other similar covenants in favor of CoJCoLdS. Until 1990 these covenants were made under threat of death, including ritualistic gestures symbolizing throat slitting, disembowelment, etc.

2. The proxy (on behalf of the deceased Holocaust victim) learns secret handshakes and passwords without which the deceased Holocaust victim cannot enter heaven.

3. The proxy (on behalf of the deceased Holocaust victim) is given a New Name.

etc.

You might also wish to point out that there are also the Initiatory ordinances where the proxy is "washed" on behalf of the deceased holocaust victim, because the deceased holocaust victim is presumed to be "unclean in the eyes of God."



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Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: February 17, 2012 03:01PM


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Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: February 18, 2012 08:12PM

Not to be nit-picky . . .

but make sure that they understand that during these secret ceremonies the dead Jew is given a NEW NAME.

Appalling.



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Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: February 17, 2012 02:59PM

During that conversation, I was informed that the national director of the ADL, Abraham Foxman, is well-versed on the Mormon doctrine of ritualized dead-dunking and that the Wiesenthal episode has brought the issue into starker focus for the ADL. (Abe has demanded that the practice stop, given that its continuance amounts to a second murder of the Jewish identity of Jewish Holocaust victims. He has also notified the Mormon church that continual ADL monitoring of the church will help, he hopes, keep it from future breaking of the its promise to discontinue the dead-dunking of exterminated Jews. He has asked the Mormon church to implement more stringent internal controls on this dead-dunking practice. He has also called for the Mormon church to consider abandoning its practice of dead-dunking not only Jews but other non-Mormons).

I informed the ADL official with whom I spoke that Mormons not only dead-dunk Jewish victims of the Holocaust, they actually regard themselves to be adopted into the covenant of the ancient Jewish bloodline.

I told him that Mormons are given patriarchal blessings, where the name of the tribe of Israel to which the Mormon recipient of this blessing has supposed Mormon-asserted linkage is pronounced upon the head of the recipient.

The official said he was not aware of that.

I responded that what Mormons do, in effect, is to invade Jewish genealogical tribes, declare these tribes as their own, then extinguish the Jewishness of actual Jews via necro-dunking them into the Mormon church.

He was not pleased to hear that news.

I plan on talking with Abe Foxman about this in some detail, when it is convenient for him to do so (we have known each other since the 1980s when I joined him on an ADL trip to Israel, and most recently met up with him last October when he came through Phoenix).

This is not going away.

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Posted by: michael ( )
Date: February 17, 2012 04:25PM

steve benson partially Wrote:
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> This is not going away.

I most sincerely hope not. I'm figuring that at the very least, besides Messrs. Wiesel and Foxman, one Steve Benson will be doing what he can, especially if he can turn it into a cartoon for the Arizona Republic.

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Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: February 18, 2012 07:54PM

You might also want to educate them on the anti-Semitism found in the Book of Mormon (reinforced by Bruce R. McConkie), if you haven't already ...

McConkie:

“'Let the spiritually illiterate suppose what they may, it was the Jewish denial and rejection of the Holy One of Israel, whom their fathers worshiped in the beauty and holiness, that has made them a hiss and byword in all nations and that has taken millions of their fair sons and daughters to untimely graves.'”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism_and_Judaism#Other_Mormon_literature


Of course, McConkie was only echoing the Book of Mormon--the "KEYSTONE" of Mormonism:

"Wherefore ... it must needs be expedient that Christ ... should come among the Jews, among those who are the more wicked part of the world; and they shall crucify him ... and there is none other nation on earth that would crucify their God.

"For should the mighty miracles be wrought among other nations they would repent, and know that he be their God.

"But because of priestcrafts and iniquities, they at Jerusalem will stiffen their necks against him, that he be crucified.

"Wherefore, because of their iniquities, destructions, famines, pestilences, and bloodshed shall come upon them; and they who shall not be destroyed shall be scattered among all nations." (Book of Mormon | 2 Nephi 10:3 - 6)

(Copied/edited from earlier post:
http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,354154,354236#msg-354236 )



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Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: February 18, 2012 08:09PM

You could add the ordination of twelve year olds to the Aaronic priesthood - A mockery of the original jewish ritual and in contravention of the command that only the descendants of Aaron could have that priesthood. The bestowal of this "priesthood" forming the basis for ongoing mysogyny and bigotry, and in past times, racism

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Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: February 18, 2012 09:02PM

Mormon Church leaders insist everyone must be baptized Mormon

President Boyd K. Packer from General Conference:

"There are several religions larger than most Christian denominations, and together they are larger than all of them combined. Their adherents for centuries have lived and died and never heard the word baptism. What is the answer for them?"

"That is a most disturbing question. What power would establish one Lord and one baptism, and then allow it to be that most of the human family never comes within its influence? With that question unanswered, the vast majority of the human family must be admitted to be lost, and against any reasonable application of the law of justice or of mercy, either. How could Christianity itself be sustained?"

"When you find the true church you will find the answer to that disturbing question."

"If a church has no answer for that, how can it lay claim to be His Church? He is not willing to write off the majority of the human family who were never baptized."

"Those who admit in puzzled frustration that they have no answer to this cannot lay claim to authority to administer to the affairs of the Lord on the earth, or to oversee the work by which all mankind must be saved."

"We have been authorized to perform baptisms vicariously so that when they hear the gospel preached and desire to accept it, that essential ordinance will have been performed. They need not ask for any exemption from that essential ordinance. Indeed, the Lord Himself was not exempted from it."

"Here and now then, we move to accomplish the work to which we are assigned. We are busily engaged in that kind of baptism. We gather the records of our kindred dead, indeed, the records of the entire human family; and in sacred temples in baptismal fonts designed as those were anciently, we perform these sacred ordinances."

"“Strange,” one may say. It is passing strange. It is transcendent and supernal. The very nature of the work testifies that He is our Lord, that baptism is essential, that He taught the truth."

"And so the question may be asked, “You mean you are out to provide baptism for all who have ever lived?”"

"And the answer is simply, “Yes.” For we have been commanded to do so."

"“You mean for the entire human family? Why, that is impossible. If the preaching of the gospel to all who are living is a formidable challenge, then the vicarious work for all who have ever lived is impossible indeed.”"

"To that we say, “Perhaps, but we shall do it anyway.”"

"I bear witness that this work is true, that God lives, that Jesus is the Christ, that there is on this earth today a prophet of God to lead modern Israel in this great obligation. I know that the Lord lives and that He broods anxiously over the work for the redemption of the dead, in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen."

--President Boyd K. Packer, "The Redemption of the Dead" Mormon church-wide General Conference, 5 Octobe 1975, Mormon church "Ensign" magazine, November 1975, p. 97

http://library.lds.org/nxt/gateway.dll/Magazines/Ensign/1975.htm/ensign%20november%201975.htm/the%20redemption%20of%20the%20dead.htm
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Monson says "none shall be denied" baptism for the dead.

Thomas S. Monson:

"And for those who have died without a knowledge of the truth, a way has been provided. Sacred ordinances can be performed by the faithful living for the waiting dead. Houses of the Lord known as temples dot the land. As Elijah the prophet testified, the hearts of the fathers have been turned to the children, and the children to the fathers. (D&C 110: 14–15.) None shall be denied. All shall have opportunity for eternal blessings."

--Elder Thomas S. Monson, "An Invitation to Exaltation" satellite broadcast during church-wide investigators fireside, Salt Lake City, Utah, 1 March 1984; see also, “An Invitation to Exaltation,” Mormon church "Ensign" magazine, July 1984, p. 69

http://library.lds.org/nxt/gateway.dll/Magazines/Ensign/1984.htm/ensign%20july%201984%20.htm/an%20invitation%20to%20exaltation.htm



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