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Posted by: jerry64 ( )
Date: October 03, 2014 11:24PM

So someone recently posted a YouTube link to a lame LDS spoof song. Out of curiosity I looked to see what other videos this sister missionary had posted, and one was a memorial for another sister missionary, one Sister Samantha Lierley. I saw in her obit that this young woman had died after a "brief illness". Sounds odd for a 20-something women. Did the mission let an illness go without proper medical attention to the point it led to her death or was it some sort of undiagnosed heart disease? Anyone know how this happened?

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Posted by: ain't got no name yet ( )
Date: October 04, 2014 11:40PM

Odd. My neighbor's son also recently died of an infection from a root canal.

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Posted by: frankie ( )
Date: October 04, 2014 12:27AM

that's really crazy, I've had so many root canals and problems. Maybe she let it go to far, or wasn't allowed the time and hassel to see an LDS dentist that tried to skip corners and do a half assed job. Sounds like a preventable death to me. I think her parents should do some investigation and possibly bring on a malpractice suit. RIP young girl.

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Posted by: anagrammy ( )
Date: October 04, 2014 12:57AM

Maybe she didn't have enough money for antibiotics and wasn't allowed to call home to get help with that.

Wouldn't be the first time this has happened. If this is news to you, read "The Passion of Raptor Jesus" download from Amazon.

Kathleen Waters

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Posted by: anagrammy ( )
Date: October 05, 2014 07:33PM

I would love for the numbers guy to come up with the probability of complications from any surgical procedure, dental or not, while serving a mission from the LDS church.

Of course the church would never give access to the numbers. We need a mole...

Kathleen Waters

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Posted by: I do ( )
Date: October 04, 2014 01:03AM

Well that is very bizarre. I am in fact an exmo living in Vancouver, WA currently. Haven't heard anything about this. Looks like it happened 5 months ago though.

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Posted by: claire ( )
Date: October 04, 2014 04:58PM

Hey, me, too. :)
I haven't heard anything about it, either. Seems like I'd have seen something on Facebook, at least. I wonder what stake she was serving in?
You know that recently Vancouver, WA was made into its own mission area. We used to be part of Kennewick, WA mission. So it could be a sister from the mission area, not Vancouver, itself?
And I Googled her and she was from Alaska and I couldn't figure out where she served her mission.

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Posted by: CA girl ( )
Date: October 04, 2014 01:05AM

I feel weirdly sorry for the sister telling the story - maybe because she looks a lot like the girl my son hangs out with all the time or maybe because I was a sister missionary myself. I wonder what went wrong. That would have really shaken me if that had happened to a sister in my mission.

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Posted by: jerry64 ( )
Date: October 04, 2014 10:12AM

there is another blog from the mission that didn't have the details but around the time this happened just had a bunch of mostly cheery posts. Not sure if she was told not to talk about what was going on, didn't know this Sister, or what. Anyway she just goes on about "nothing is random" which must be what they were being told by the mission leadership.

Yes, nothing is random, infections happen after surgery, so patients have to be alert for it and get proper care soon if it occurs. I'm not a dentist but it seems to me that someone that age dying from root canal in America is extremely rare.

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Posted by: tensolator ( )
Date: October 04, 2014 11:34AM

Poop happens. Maybe she did not take her antibiotics, maybe the dentist was a crank.

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Posted by: cl2 ( )
Date: October 04, 2014 11:39AM

she had a lot of swelling. Her dentist sent her to an oral surgeon to remove the tooth because he was afraid her throat would close off. He said it happens quite often. This could have happened, too. MOST people I'm sure are not aware of this. Tooth problems seem like they are "benign,"but they aren't.

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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: October 04, 2014 04:52PM

This article has some insight about the odds of getting sepsis after a root canal (which apparently is very rare):

"To die from sepsis after root canal 'is extremely rare because it just doesn’t happen,' said Dr. Christopher Wenckus who heads the endodontics (root canal therapy) department at the University of Illinois at Chicago. 'It happens maybe once every 50 years.' "

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Posted by: squeebee ( )
Date: October 04, 2014 04:56PM

Clearly the lord needed her for missionary work on the other side.

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Posted by: jerry64 ( )
Date: October 04, 2014 06:16PM

"I hope that you know how much I cherish my mission, just like Sister
Lierley did. She died doing what she absolutely knew was right. She
wasn't sent home, she was simply "transferred" to a new area. She is
doing missionary work up there on the other side for sure! I can't
wait to talk to her and to be able to see what Heavenly Father needed
her home for right now. It will be amazing."

How tragic for her family.

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Posted by: Devoted Exmo ( )
Date: October 04, 2014 05:08PM

People with a heart murmur alway require antibiotic pretreatment prior to dental surgery of any kind for just this sort of occurrence. They are susceptible to sepsis. She may have had a heart murmur without knowing.

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Posted by: jerry64 ( )
Date: October 04, 2014 06:18PM

Risk of sepsis is at that surgical site.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/04/2014 06:18PM by jerry64.

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Posted by: Devoted Exmo ( )
Date: October 04, 2014 06:28PM

It's done for some kinds of defects that haven't been addressed by surgery too.

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Posted by: ThinkingOutLoud ( )
Date: April 15, 2015 02:08PM

Such as mitral valve prolapse, which my son has and has no need of surgery for, but which is the reason he take a course of antibiotics well prior to any dental care he needs. Even routine cleaning.

If she died of sepsis, it is unlikely to be due to this same issue, and much more likely to be due to inadequate care/attention to complications that arose after the root canal surgery was done--or as a result of poor hygiene or poor/lack of care, during it.

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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: October 04, 2014 07:44PM

The speculation for the other patient in my article linked above is that there was an underlying condition, since sepsis due to root canal was so unlikely. Perhaps that is the case for this young woman as well.

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Posted by: Villager ( )
Date: October 04, 2014 07:39PM

I wonder if the church was too cheap to pay for an IV and IV antibiotics. Sounds like sepsis was too advanced to treat with oral antibiotics.

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Posted by: Villager ( )
Date: October 04, 2014 07:50PM

The family should hire a good non-mormon lawyer to review her medical records.

"It happens maybe once in 50 years".

Just that statement alone from an endodontic specialist raises a huge RED flag that she didn't get the treatment she needed.

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Posted by: jefecito ( )
Date: April 15, 2015 01:39PM

Details coming out on another site from a family member have shed some light on this story. The sister missionary had experienced pain following the root canal and had asked to see a doctor. The mission president's wife instructed her not to do so three times over the course of two weeks. When she finally did go, it was too late. The family member has since taken down their post.

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Posted by: shannon ( )
Date: April 15, 2015 02:58PM

Dear God! Do all the MP's wives act as the mission nurse/gatekeeper to medical care?! What are their f-ing qualifications??? Somebody needs to be held accountable.

My husband caught sepsis through an infected tooth last June. He spent all summer in the ICU. He has had multiple surgeries and is STILL in the hospital, probably until mid-May. My husband is a registered nurse and even he did not understand the symptoms when they first presented.

That poor, poor girl. All she knew was she was sick and in pain and needed help. And that STUPID MP's wife played Dr. God and denied her medical care. The NEGLIGENCE! I hope that family sues the shit out of the church. Period.

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Posted by: Ex-Sister Sinful Shoulders ( )
Date: April 15, 2015 03:20PM

The MP's wife denied her medical care? She essentially signed her death certificate. Way to go Sister Knowitall!

Huge lawsuit. They need to file suit.

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Posted by: gentlestrength ( )
Date: April 15, 2015 03:22PM

I have looked into this death before. The local new did not cover it heavily. It is mentioned in blogs and I do not recall her death being mentioned in the Deseret or Church News. There were only 19 missionary deaths reported in 2014 and this was not counted as I recall.

E. coli infection kills a 19-year old athlete, Sister Missionary under the health care of a mission president.

The Church claims responsibility and control of their well being. They die. The family loves the Church more than the family. The Church does not take responsibility. The family has a nice story to tell about how they have died for the Church.

Sound familiar to another big organization that protects us from boogey men every day of our lives we are in jeopardy or spiritual and physical death without these great people protecting us,

They deserve medals and speeches of praise and gratitude. Lots of praise and gratitude.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/15/2015 03:34PM by gentlestrength.

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Posted by: Breeze ( )
Date: April 15, 2015 03:45PM

My nephew was on a mission in a large American city. He finally broke down and mentioned his horrible toothache, in an e-mail to his parents. His mission would not let him see a dentist, because it was too expensive. I don't know if the missionary's father offered to pay the bill, or not. The mission president said that since the missionary had only 3 months left on his mission, that he could "tough it out", by taking iboprophen. He could not sleep, or chew. When he got home, I went to his homecoming, and he looked like hell--skin and bones, dark circles under his eyes. His parents said they took him directly from the airport to the dentist.

Other than that, no one said one word about the pain, ever. I think there is a "gag order" on illnesses, as those are classified under "anything negative." I do know that missionaries are cautioned about writing "anything negative."

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