Back in the late 1980s, before the Internet, I discovered the following facts...

*Joseph Smith had sex with men's wives while the men were in England on missions

*Brigham Young ordered people murdered who got in his way

*Brigham Young sold tons of tobacco and whiskey to the Gentiles, while at the same time told Mormons not to buy or sell to Gentiles.

*In the height of polygamy in Utah, there was a brothel (whore house) on almost every block of the city--because half of all Mormon women and girls over the age of 13 were polygamous wives, leaving 40% of Mormon men without the opportunity to marry in this life.

*Joseph Smith practiced polygamy and LIED about that, denying he was a polygamist, in public sermons, etc.

*Joseph Smith arranged the murder of two men (one of them was Lilburn Boggs...can't blame Joseph for that one)

*During the Missouri wars Joseph Smith ordered the Mormon Militia to "spoil the Gentiles" meaning to steal their property.

*Joseph Smith told young girls that an Angel with a flaming sword commanded him to enter into plural marriage.

*Joseph Smith told young girls that if they became his "spiritual wife" (i.e. if they gave him sex on demand, in secret), they and their extended families (fathers, mothers, aunts, uncles, cousins, brothers, sisters) would ALL be exalted in the celestial Kingdom, but, if they refused him, they would go to Hell-fire (the Church still taught the concept of HEll-fire in the 1840s....later abandoning it)

When I discovered all this, I contacted various Church leaders and historians to ask for replies. I was told the following:

"Don't worry about it!"

"Why are you questioning the Brethren?"

"Do you masturbate?"

And this is what the historians/BYU religion professors told me:

"HE HAD THE AUTHORITY!"

In other words, if you are the Living Prophet, you can commit adultery, murder, sell massive amounts of whiskey or tobacco, because God must have approved it, and given you the Divine Authority to do so!

Really...that is what I was told, over and over again.

That's the thing about the mormons that's quite remarkable. They're morality is so very flexible! Good can be bad. Bad can be good. Right can be wrong. Wrong can be right. Everything is justified if you've got the right credentials!

Isn't this how the Bible tells us to identify false prophets?

Authority sumority.

Lie, steel, kill, fornicate......not the example that Christ set Mr. OneTrueProphetOfTheRestoration.

ANY difference between him and Jeffs?

amyslittlesister Wrote:
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> ANY difference between him and Jeffs?

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Jeffs has better hair. Joe's ridiculous pompadour is like a caricature of a 1950s hood.

They both have weak chins and shifty eyes.

So it is status and power that make actions right or wrong.....

That is the weasel logic of weasels.

That's pretty much it. Why do you question?

He CLAIMED he had the authority - there's a big difference.

Anybody can make that claim. He surely wouldn't have if he had already had power, money, fame, a decent home sex life...

And hence, the second anointing so even more guys and have the fake authority and be forgiven.

You can lie your ever lovin' arse off, as long as it is for the lard or for the crutch.

The morbot chrutch is the true abomination.

Well it was a nineteenth century pyramid scheme (including a heavy preoccupation with sex). Each male member was supposed to try to establish his own little downline/empire of polygamous wives and laboring, tithe paying, voting converts. What is the quote from Jo Smith on that?

I think it had to do with the zeitgeist of the times, the young American nation, not long after the revolution, men feeling that they could all be absolute rulers of their own worlds.

That is the mentality of Jo's invented "religion". Lots of little petty despots, in a hierarchical structure.

The X'tian stuff was the shake mix the upline peddled to the recruits, they didn't drink it themselves.

When you are a cult leader, you have nearly unbridled power, which is given the name "authority".

Authority is the essence of mormonism.

Well the shit has hit the fan now Samuel. Hahahahhahahahhahahaha

Authority doesn't mean shit when they lie.

I read somewhere recently that the top 15 was renting a place not too far from Temple Square that was setup as a brothel. Benson was the one who approved it.

You got verification for that besides "I read [that] somewhere recently"?

Source, please.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 11/17/2014 03:31PM by steve benson.

it's the "might makes right" argument.

I'll bet that lovely brothel exits in one of the historical buildings where Briggy had some of his brothels located.

And next door, most likely, would be the building containing the booze for sale.

Of course, the buildings are most likely camouflaged mighty well.