Probably pro-ISIS/ISIL gunmen attack French satirical magazine, kill 11 people.

Thanks Cludgie - although it's terrible news.

It is a great magazine, too, although particularly disrespectful.

Things are looking bad.

Tom in Paris

Between this and the attack on the candy shop in Australia, it certainly does make the point of the importance of Americans second amendment rights.

Don't let it get political.

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> Between this and the attack on the candy shop in
> Australia, it certainly does make the point of the
> importance of Americans second amendment rights.


First of all, it was a cafe, not a candy shop. Secondly, it would be called a lolly shop in Australia, not a candy shop, but it was a cafe, not a lolly shop anyway. Thirdly, it was a hostage situation, not an attack. Fourthly, it has nada to do with the attack in paris. The "attack" in Australia had far more to do with the guy being on bail for his involvement in the murder of his ex-wife. Fifthly, the American second ammendment would not have helped in either situation. Sixthly, look up how many mass shootings have occurred in Australia since automatic and semi-automatic weapons were banned. Finally, picture the rest of the world laughing at how stupid Americans are when yet another high school shooting happens in America but nobody blames your precious second ammendment. /end rant.

Yes! Say it, IGP! Still, good to avoid the whole political thing.

Thanks Deco. I agree. No amendment would stop this sort of vicious madness.

And handguns are no use against Kalashnikovs.

Tom in Paris

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It's good to know you're okay Tom. Take care.

--Don

IGP: Why are you ranting at all? What country are you from?

Besides, better dead than socialist, right?

Good point Deco. Remember that "beheading" in Tulsa a few months ago? The manager of the plant was able to stop it before he attacked anyone else. I'll bet relatives of the victims in the Australian candy shop attack and the french newspaper attack wish someone in each situation had been able to protect themselves. Sorry IGP..you're rant is funny..meh..geesh. Stop eating green potatos, I would be cranky too.

Just one of those Americans would be enough foil that massacre.
Unfortunately not a single average Joe had a gun.

America has a fair chance to survive for having two elements in their favor;
# 1 Guns in abundance private Citizens possession
# 2 decent size of wilderness in the country

In an event of calamity of any kind, people like me who live in big cities like rats will go down first, but people in rural areas have decent shot at surviving.

Any kind would be sufficient....
Do you think godless people like me would be spared against Christian onslaught if I wasn't protected with constitutional right?

No sense in attempting to maintain that the lame so-called American "culture" is somehow superior in any way to that of France.

Attackers were heard shouting "We have avenged the prophet". It had nothing to do with religion.

What kind of sick and twisted religion would attack a newspaper?

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> What kind of sick and twisted religion would
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One must wonder if they destroyed the printing press during the shooting...

Funny

Only barbarians wantonly destroy art and culture. To kill artists for their art is a crime against all humanity.

Religion is a cancer. There are many types of different cancers, just as there are different types of religion, some magnitudes times worse then others, but at the end of the day, no matter which one you have, you still have cancer.

I'm a second amendment absolutist, but I doubt it would have mattered much in this case.

From KSL

"Minister Bernard Cazeneuve promised to give the people of France the highest level of protection after the attack on the weekly paper Charlie Hebdo. The gunmen killed its editor and at least one cartoonist as well as two police officers guarding the paper."

The French president has called the shootings a terrorist attack "without a doubt.""

The gunmen were able to take out the two policemen assigned to protect the place without any return fire. While I agree that the people inside *should* have the right to protect themselves, it wouldn't have done much in the face of 3 AK-toting zealots.

This shines a light on a serious internal bifurcation in Europe. People wonder why parties like the UKIP are on the rise; it's because the response to things like this is a plea for more tolerance while little on the ground changes. If France doesn't catch these men quickly -- or, worse, if there are more terror attacks -- you can almost certainly expect to see similar nationalist backlash there.

"The gunmen were able to take out the two policemen assigned to protect the place without any return fire. While I agree that the people inside *should* have the right to protect themselves, it wouldn't have done much in the face of 3 AK-toting zealots."

Reports say that the gunmen got the security codes to enter the offices from someone in the lobby or whatever. That shows that their security system was worthless. Pretty shoddy considering that the magazine knew they were under threat from Islamic radicals.

"This shines a light on a serious internal bifurcation in Europe. People wonder why parties like the UKIP are on the rise; it's because the response to things like this is a plea for more tolerance while little on the ground changes."

I heard awhile ago that there are now 5 million Muslims in France. Several years ago, German chancellor Angela Merkel said that multiculturalism in Germany is a failure. What she meant was, radical Muslims refuse to assimilate into the cultures in which they emigrate; rather, their agenda is to take over those areas and bring them under Islamic control. The sooner that western nations realize that and do something about it, the longer western civilization can survive.

Sad. The religion of "piece" strikes again.

I want to see ONE ONE leader in the Muslim community condemn this. Just one. I have Muslim friends. Good people. In fact I trust them more than I do any Mormon. That said Muslims preach peace out of one side of their mouth and then keep the other side closed when stuff like this happens. I just don't get it.

I am actually Muslim. I converted to Islam when I was 18, living in North Africa, doing Anthropological field research. The Muslims I befriended there I still consider my Brothers. They're good, peace loving people. While I no longer believe in any sort of religion, except perhaps Taoism and parts of Buddhism, I never resigned from Islam like I did resign from the Mormon church. I still believe in the universal God I believed in when I was Muslim, which Muslims like me call Allah.
The men who carried out this attack are NOT representative of Muslims like me, or any Muslims I know. Quite the opposite.
They're barbarians who need to be pulled up by the roots and exterminated. Whatever hole they crawled out of, needs to be filled with diesel and lit on fire. Once everything inside of the hole has been exterminated, we need to salt the earth to make sure nothing ever grows out of that soil again.



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Koriwhore, that's one of the best summations of what is....and what needs to be done about it...that I've heard to date. Thank you.

Ron Burr

Here in France, many muslim leaders have denounced earlier attacks and will certainly denounce this one too.

Unfortunately, the perpetrators aren't listening to them.

Islam isn't structured like christianity, so there is no single generally-accepted authority.

Tom in Paris
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