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Posted by: Kathleen ( )
Date: January 04, 2018 07:25PM

Historian Will Bagley presents: Truth about Trek.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou47dupzoys


This is fascinating and exposes (in part) the greedy monster, Brigham Young.



After intro, Bagley comes on at about 4:40.

Correction: Historian, WILL Bagley.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/04/2018 09:43PM by kathleen.

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Posted by: LeftTheMorg ( )
Date: January 04, 2018 08:28PM

Yes, as a descendant of Handcart Pioneers I was shocked when I learned the truth of the REAL causes of the suffering of these Handcart Companies. One of the Danish immigrants among one of the companies returned to his native Denmark a few years afterward and published a book warning his countrymen of the false promises of the Mormons and telling the truth of what really caused their suffering on these Handcart trips.

I was shocked.

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Posted by: CL2 ( )
Date: January 04, 2018 08:31PM

which I read a few years ago. Very disturbing.

(Wouldn't that be Will Bagley?)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/04/2018 08:33PM by cl2.

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Posted by: LeftTheMorg ( )
Date: January 04, 2018 08:33PM

The book is titled "Secret History" by John (Johan) Ahmansen.

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Posted by: auntsukey ( )
Date: January 04, 2018 08:51PM

It horrifies me when groups go out in costume to recreate the Trek.

Would it be appropriate to recreate and celebrate The Donner Party? How about dressing up to do a celebration of Jim Jones and his Jonestown? Maybe a 18th century Slavery pageant? Heaven's Gate? Waco?

(I don't much care for the Civil War re-enactments either!)

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: January 04, 2018 08:58PM

Or recreate the crucifixion of ... Hmmm, never mind...

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Posted by: J.E.B. ( )
Date: January 04, 2018 08:58PM

auntsukey Wrote:
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> I don't much care for the Civil War re-enactments
> either!


Why? Because your side lost?

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Posted by: auntsukey ( )
Date: January 04, 2018 10:35PM


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Posted by: Badassadam1 ( )
Date: January 04, 2018 09:09PM

Are don and will the same person?

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: January 04, 2018 09:15PM

One's a question: Will Don,

And the other is a statement, Don Will.

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Posted by: Badassadam1 ( )
Date: January 04, 2018 09:27PM

Getting a straight answer out of old dog is like trying to catch a greased pig or maybe a greased dog haha.

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Posted by: smirkorama ( )
Date: January 04, 2018 09:32PM

the speaker in the video is definitely Will Bagley, and definitely NOT Don Bagley

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Posted by: Badassadam1 ( )
Date: January 04, 2018 11:52PM

Thanks for clearing that up.

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: January 04, 2018 11:46PM

How come I never see Don and Will in the same room at the same time ?

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Posted by: Kathleen ( )
Date: January 04, 2018 09:40PM

Today, Eric posted stats on folks who have checked in here lately.

http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,2062187

Some of them may be our family members. I want to post the most informative and accurate stuff I can find.

A word about Will Bagley's research and subsequent books: Some of it ain't easy. While reading Bagley's "Blood of The Prophets," I had to ask DH to take it from me and hide it in his workshop. Facts in it hurt me so deeply that I couldn't read anymore.

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