http://www.ldsliving.com/Why-Did-God-Put-a-Veil-Between-Us-and-Him/s/90277?utm_source=ldsliving&utm_medium=email

Or, if you don't want to believe this explanation, feel free to make up anything you like. Obviously that's how the author came up with this fairy tale. There's no end to the bizarre shit that can be pulled out of a Mormon's ass.

He's telling us that God is ensuring our progress by not revealing any spoilers. But the author, in his arrogance, has taken it upon himself to reveal that which he says God wants hidden.

Wasn't the stated purpose of the article to explain why God wanted the very veil that the author just pierced?

Is reality spinning, or is it just my head?

"There is something about forcing people to be righteous that interferes with, even prohibits, the process that righteousness in a free environment is designed to enable."

Yet so many people of the world feel that Mormons force their faith with doing temple work for the dead. At least, that's how relatives of the Holocaust victims see it.

>> The Lord said that “whatever principle of intelligence we attain unto in this life, it will rise with us in the resurrection”

So he's saying that if I figured out the church isn't true and is full of lies in this life, I'll know its still not true and full of lies in the next life? Cool, got it!

>> "There is something about forcing people to be righteous that interferes with, even prohibits, the process that righteousness in a free environment is designed to enable."

If its a free environment, then why is there no room to not choose to associate with the church and its "righteousness".

Another thing appropriated by Joseph Smith; according to most Christians:

The veil was a massive curtain behind which the High Priest would do his thing in the temple in Jerusalem. When Jesus died, the veil was torn, and God moved out of that place "never again to dwell in a temple made with hands."

But it sure is handy to say that the veil makes you forget about some "pre-existence", and hey presto! Joseph Smith is the only guy who can tell about what you forgot.

Scam.

P.S. Oh, that word "powerful"....like "prayerful", "striking", "amazing", "rich", and a host of other words that are way overused as moron tropes to make the insipid seem deep.

That’s a lot more than was between Joseph and Fanny.

What would LDSliving articles be like if they were historically accurate?

Next up: Moroni’s use of Tinkerbell’s magic fairy dust.



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Yessiree, important for the MormonCult to have one more device that keeps things secret, hidden, but still a possibility...like lifting the veil early because you are so righteous.

Also, the veil is referred to in the bible, so for the MormonCult to have one also, is indeed a plus.

leading to the first statement of the authors' thesis (the thesis being complete non-sequitur, if not a direct contradiction, to implications of the preceding paragraphs):

----> "Learning from experience teaches us in ways nothing else can. In designing His plan for our mortal experience, God consciously took the risk that some of His children wouldn’t come back. Didn’t He have the power to touch us with some kind of wand that would give us the capacity to live with Him in the celestial kingdom?"

See the problem in this statement?

Let's look at the very first sentence in the article:

----> "Not only does the veil keep us from remembering our premortal past, it also keeps us from seeing many things that are going on at the present."

IN OTHER WORDS, the "veil" not only deprives us of the lessons of experience that we gained through our premortal experience, it also prevents us from completely understanding the nature of our current experience. The veil sabotages, subverts and limits our ability to learn from experience like nothing else.

How can we "learn from experience" if the veil blocks us from combining present experience and decision making with the lessons learned from past experience? (Remember, according to the authors, the veil keeps us from remembering our premortal experience and shuts us off from critical information about our current experience.) How can we learn from our current experience if the veil actually prevents us from "SEEING MANY THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON AT THE PRESENT"? Concealing huge chunks of reality is not conducive to meaningfully learning from experience. It is conducive to misleading someone. It is conducive to manipulation and disinformation.

It's like giving someone who works at a nuclear power plant a drug that causes amnesia. Then taking that person blindfolded into a control room, sitting them down at a control panel with a red button and a green button and telling them to choose one, while different people surround them trying to persuade them with conflicting messages about the consequences of pushing either the red or green button. To make it more fun, all video feeds to the reactor monitors and all wiring to alarms warning of potential meltdown conditions are disconnected, so that the amnesiac can't really fully appreciate in real time the consequences of pushing the green button or the red button, other than getting praise or condemnation from the people who urged him to push one or the other.

That's how the veil works, according to these authors (but I'm sure it's also beyond their comprehension at this point).

(Step 1): Remove parts of brain that store all memories relating to elephants.

(Step 2): Conceal tranquilized elephant behind thick black curtain, leaving only one square inch of the elephant's butt visible through a small hole in the curtain. Tell your victim that, standing 5 feet back from the hole they have to correctly determine what they're looking at and, if they guess wrong, they will be either imprisoned and tortured or simply executed.

"Why all the concealment and the brain-damaging surgery?" the victim asks. "Because it's for your own good. You learn best from experience" comes the reply.

"WTF???" says any reasonable person capable of logical thinking.

"Oh, that's so special and shows how much heavenly father loves us" says the typical brainwashed TBM.

Well, you can’t exactly throw out everything deduced by Protestants and Catholics over the last thousand years. Birth and death have been going on for a very long time.

The veil could be a metaphor for the Kali Yuga. The Earth is currently in such a low vibration that we don’t remember our lives before birth. Some infants do remember, but the memories soon fade. To me, this is the best evidence we have that heaven exists. If babies don’t come from heaven, where do they come from?

But of course, Mormons put their own spin on things. They’ll twist anything to fit their contradictory mess of a religion. Gotta turn those babies into mobots.

So I have no way of verifying how much truth there is to the vibrational theories (though they are appealing on many levels) or whether the Kali Yuga is a real thing (even though the times, such as they are, seem to fit within the general description thereof).

But all of those things are entirely separate and distinct from the notion being peddled by the authors of the above-linked "Veil" article.

They are peddling the idea that the process of learning through experience is enhanced by a combination of (1) amnesia (no memory of anything that happened or was learned in the eons preceding birth); and (2) incapacitation (elimination of perceptive faculties such that one is prevented from seeing many things that are going on at the present).

That idea is absurd on its face.

I would be open to hearing from them an explanation as to how amnesia and incapacitation make learning easier. But they haven't offered any explanation. It's just an unsupported assertion that they throw out there--not as an aside, but as the key assertion of their essay.

Effective learning from experience is based on adding the lessons of experience as you go. The value of the best neurosurgeon's "experience" is derived from the cumulative experience of the neurosurgeon's lifetime of learning and application of surgical skills. It would never be enhanced by (1) making him forget every experience he had prior to performing a surgical procedure today, while also (3) making it impossible for him to be aware of what's going on in the patient's body and operating room, other than for a tiny little area that he is permitted to perceive.

It's nonsense. I won't even give the authors' credit for effort.

Yes, that’s the basic problem. Anything with a possible grain of truth to it is twisted to meet the cult’s ends. They turn silk purses into sow’s ears.

You do have a means of verification, but it involves dying. My point is that the human experience of death is so pervasive there is probably some truth to the doctrine, especially if Joe didn’t invent it.

How do you know babies can "remember heaven"???? Do they tell you about it?

What about animals? Where do THEY come from? Heaven too???
Is there an animal god in heaven that they are supposed to worship as well??

Just because birth and death "is so pervasive", does NOT mean there is ANY truth whatsoever to any religious dogma. That is complete bullocks.

TSCC wants a veil over its preaching, practices, and activities (inactivities).