That's correct. Any one of us has a right to restrain in one fell swoop all mormon representatives from our property.

Mormons and some exmos assume this is not possible. They say, sure you can tell a pair of mishies to stay away. And they're trespassing if they return in spite of knowing they are unwelcome. But they say, this doesn't prevent a new pair from showing up, and another, and another, and another, forever.

This is wrong.

My local police chief sent letters and phoned the local ward bishop, the SP, and the MP president. He told these leaders for me that they MUST keep ALL mormon representatives away from me. It isn't my job to tell every meddling member and mishie in the area to stay away. It's the job of mormon leaders to control their followers when it comes to trespassing on my property. This is how police restraining orders against organizations work.

The same idea covers court ordered restraining orders. I went to the county offices where I live and picked up forms. These papers had blanks for filling in "the name" of "a person" I want to have restrained.

I asked the clerk about this. "It's a whole cult of harassing members I want kept away from my door. Do you have a form for doing that?"

The answer was, "Use this same form and in the name blank, fill in the name of the organization which is harassing you."

I did not take this to court because hosing and the police order were effective in keeping mormons from trespassing.

I thought I'd share the information for those who might need it. We're generally such law abiding good people at RfM that we don't usually have much experience with police and courts.

Mormons who claim a right to keep sending serial harassers are wrong. In my opinion, by claiming this "right," they're admitting that mormon reactivators and missionaries are doing gang stalking. This is considered a more serious crime than simple trespassing or harassment.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/13/2012 07:39AM by Cheryl.

If this information is something that you could share here on RFM, I am interested because you have historically had so much trouble with unwanted calls from LDS people.

I lived in the Grandview Ward in southeast Salt Lake City for 26 years, from 1972 through 1998. I was a member of the CoJCoLDS until 1994 when I resigned. I was totally inactive. During those 26 years I did not have any visits from missionaries or anyone else in the church.

So my question is this: why was I so lucky while you have been so unlucky?

In 1998 I moved to Maryland. Here I have been visited by missionaries exactly one time. They were doing tracting in my subdivision and so they showed up at my house one morning. I was curious as to how they did their tracting so I invited them into my house and we had a 20 minute discussion. I didn't tell them that I was a former member but I did tell them that I am an atheist. That pretty much shut them down because their entire pitch is based on a person believing in god but being a member of some church other than the CoJCoLDS.

They only called on me that one time and they did not come back.

I wouldn't speculate on being lucky or unlucky. I don't think I've had more unwanted contact than most but it went on sporatically for decades and I have a definite aversion to it while others might not.

The point is that residents in their homes have a 100% right to say who may enter their property.

Although I am resigned, members of a church also have rights. They get to say if they'll allow unannounced church visits or not just as nonmembers can.

Cheryl stated

"...I don't think I've had more unwanted contact than most but it went on sporatically for decades and I have a definite aversion to it while others might not..."

I left 10 years ago, I get visted once in while, but I don't think much of it, and it doesn't really bother me.

Just wondering how the police determine who to issue restraining orders to? I'm guessing I've been visited as much as cheryl, but I don't view this as stalking or that big of a deal. I hope there is some burden of proof on the person asking forthe restraining order.

It is not just a matter of how much attention the perpetrator exhibits but moreso on if they refuse to back off after they realize they're causing emotional harm.

A boyfriend's attentions of flowers, notes, and candy might be welcome whereas the same attention would be scary and hurtful from a manipulative stranger or former friend.

The police agreed to help me because forced mormon contact caused extreme trauma in my life and marriage and because the local mormons in this area are relentless if they can get away with it.

I know an exmo who went to BYU with a longtime bishop here and the guy was fanatical in college and has become moreso in his old age.

...which ain't necessarily correct for the OP. What that captain did may have been an "extra-legal" remedy that he engineered for the OP's special situation.

It is important to remember that "protection orders," "restraining orders," "non-abuse" and "stay-away" and "no-contact" orders have different meanings, or may be nothing more than popular jargon derived from TV. The laws vary from jurisdiction to jursisdiction. Also, their applicability and enforcement vary. And DON'T base any understandings or expectations on what you see on TV!
The first thing to do is to talk to your local law enforcement.


to speak to a detective, sergeant or lieutenant. Larger departments may have an officer or unit that specializes in such things. For example, Boston has the "Family Justice Center," the covers a wide range of things: domestic violence, rape, human trafficking, etc.Such an officer can tell you what protection you are, or are not, entitled to. There's a lot of misconception on this issue.

Keep things as simple as possible at the start. You'd be surprised at the rights a resident has once he has posted a "No Trespassing/No Soliciting" sign on the property. The moment a misshie leaves the sidewalk, he has broken the law (in Massachusetts).

Remember, your mileage may vary.

I know it’s been a long time for this post but did they ever go away? I’ve moved 10 times(literally) changed my name changed states and they still find me. I’ve made threats, sent letters, ect. And it never stops

You should have started a new thread. With your post buried near the beginning of a 11 year old thread, people are not likely to even see your post. I found your post because I was wondering who in the world dug up an 11 year old thread.

That said, have you resigned? That usually works unless your neighborhood is heavily mormon and everyone there remembers you from your member days, or if part of your immediate family is still Mormon.

I've never changed my name and have had the same phone number for nearly 30 years. I never hear from Mormons, and I live within walking distance of the SL Temple. Even when I walk through Temple Square, the missionaries basically never acost me. They may nod hello as I pass. I just don't look like a tourist wandering around wide-eyed.

I was tracked across the country for 30 plus years. Home teachers and missionaries would pop up as soon as we unloaded the truck.

In my case, like many, it was family pressure. Mom would call the local bishop as soon as I moved.

I'd ask to be left alone, and they'd explain the only way (back in the beginning) was to request my own excommunication.

It gets wearing.

Because once when the mishies called was a morning when this sister's two sets of young adult twins were visiting and having breakfast in my kitchen.

while I am reluctant to admit a "win" for them under any circumstances, the Mormon church has done such an excellent job of brainwashing TBMs to believe that they are isolated, solitary, and totally dependent on the church to call the shots every time a decision needs to be made, that when the individual leaves the church and needs some assistance in battling Mormon stalking/harrassment, that individual appears to view asking civil authorities for help (as is their legal right) as the very last option.

They are so reluctant to bring the problem to the appropriate level of civil response that they will try to accommodate what I regard as totally unacceptable levels of discomfort from Mormon stalkers/harrassers.

I don't get it. Is that just my perception or have you noticed this too?

To anyone who is experiencing stalking/harrassment: if the Mormons/Scientologists/Others are stalking/harrassing you, you should not be begging them to leave you alone. Would you beg an abuser or a rapist to leave you alone and stop hurting you, or would you report the criminal to the police? Begging the perpetrator to stop hurting you is exactly what the perpetrator wants you to do.

The truth is: YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT to bring the crimes of stalking and harrassment to the attention of the police. Laws exist to protect you. If your local police refuse to act, then you have EVERY RIGHT to bring these crimes to the attention of your county and state civil authorities. If you are the targeted victim of either of these crimes, I highly recommend that you begin to work with your local civil authorities to protect yourself.

And that protects the church pedophiles and affinity criminals from prosecution as the bishop acts to save the church from unwanted bad publicity.

Anagrammy

I am always amazed when I read that a serious crime was committed and the first person the victims go to is the bishop. WTF?! The police should always, always be the first contact. It seems like common sense to me. Even in my most TBM days it would have never crossed my mind to report a serious crime to anyone but the police. It disturbs me deeply that anyone would do otherwise. It can only be a sign of a dangerous cult. It's the only conclusion I can come to. Just so nonsensical.

Yessir. I think everyone deserves one "no, get away from me." That should go for the whole organization when you tell them that you desire no contact. If it continues, involving the law is a totally appropriate response.

Big problem with what you are talking about is that for either a restraining order or a trespass to work, is that the parties involved have to be informed, by proper authority, that they are under order to not enter a certain premise or to come within a certain distance of an individual.

You may be able to get a restraining order against a whole organization in certain states, but having one against the whole Mormon church would be too broad to be effective. Such an order, could in theory, prohibit the church from making official assignments to have people contact you, but only if the leaders in question have been properly informed. If the new RS president does not know that there is a no contact order, and assigns a visiting teacher who also does not know, then the order would be meaningless until such a time as they were informed either by a process server, a cop, or in theory, by a judge inside a courtroom.

I think the bigger problem is that Mormons are horrible record keepers, and they have a habit of using old, out of date list to do their crap.

I could inform them if they would give me all of the names of mishies who come to town and all of the names, email and snail of local members. The leaders did not volunteer that information. That makes it *their* problem, not mine.

Mormons have the best word of mouth system i've ever seen anywhere. No matter where i've lived in the USA they get the word out about anyone and everyone that they might be interested in.

I've been in PEC meetings and watched them in action. They know exactly who does and doesn't want them around. They will push the limits if they think they can. Sic the law on them, and they will back off BIG time. They have a huge fear of doing something that might end up giving the church a bad image. In other words, the last thing they want the public to know is how obnoxious they are.

I've heard leaders complain endlessly about people who won't let them bother them or their family. They really get annoyed when you protect your kids from them. They think they have Gods permission to annoy the planet. No kidding, they really do think that.

My situation is this: I was forced to be baptized at 8 years of age, over 50 years ago. I was forced to attend church until I was 18 and moved out of my parent's house. Ever since I've been pursued by the Mormons even when I lived overseas. My father,as soon as he found out where I lived, gave my address to the church and I would get visits/correspondence from them.
Recently I served a cease and desist letter on the church certified mail, and got a letter back after a long wait informing me that resigning from the church was a local matter and that I would hear from the local ward or stake or whatever. I have not heard from them, but I continue to receive their literature, which I DO NOT want.
I don't want to be put to any more expense/trouble by them. I'm beginning to think that perhaps going to the church on a Sunday during their meeting and assaulting their Bishop as he speaks from the podium might be the answer.
I of course will be arrested, but with a few well placed telephone calls by my wife and a declaration at the arraignment that the church was harassing me, the case would probably garner national attention, and I'd finally be done with them.
To be honest, I'm just getting tired of being ignored by them. I'd be more than happy if they would excommunicate me. I'm beginning to think desperate measures are called for, as I'm determined to be shut of them once and for all.

If you're getting their magazines, e-mail or write to the magazines demanding to be off their list no matter who the hell is paying for it. Your parents are probably buying you yearly subscriptions, and the magazine has no clue you don't want it.

If you really want to say your piece in church, don't go assault anyone. It's not worth it. You can go on the first Sunday of the month and bear your testimony of the untruthfulness of mormonism. They may ask you to sit down, and they will cut sound to the mic.

Stand up in the audience instead of going up front. Someone will bring you a microphone. They can still cut the sound. Speak loud, keep it short, and then leave. Nobody will forget what you said, so keep it short and meaningful. You'll be escorted out at the first swear word, so avoid that. I'd say you have 3 minutes tops to say your piece. Don't get yourself arrested. The mormon church isn't worth that kind of grief.

This is not unusual. Often resignations go smoothly. Unfortunately, yours did not.

I suggest you call member records in SLC and tell them what you told us. If they don't want an ugly scene and a lawsuit, they will comply with your directive. You are not a member of their church. You have resigned, but they are such nitwits that they can't deal with it.

Good luck. I'm truly sorry for your mistreatment and the aggregation it's caused.

http://www.exmormon.org/remove.htm

I suggest you send it registered, that way legally you are out as soon as you have proof of receipt. Yes, they will whine about the local thing but it doesn't matter, you are out. You will get some dumb "come back" crap from them and then the final notice they have finished processing. HOWEVER none of that means anything to you, it is their own stupid paperwork and you are already out. IF you don't get that second mail then you just call SLC and they will deal with the local idiots.

If you can tell us exactly what kind of info you are receiving from them we can help you more :)

When I sent in my resignation form letter, from the late Great Kathy, may the FSM bless her soul, at Mormonnomore.com,
I decided to add an added threat on the bottom of the form,

"If you decide to ignore my request for no contact, I will notify the authorities that you are harassing me and I'll press charges and sue the LDS church and any church representative who violates my request, personally. If you come to my home as a friend and in no other official capacity, you are welcome. Otherwise, I want no contact from your abusive cult."

I signed my name at the bottom and sent it in.

It sort of worked, but my Bishop who was also my wife's OB/Gyn and delivered 3/4 of my kids, was also a close family friend, stopped by, I'm sure against his better judgement, mainly on his wife's insistence. She fancied herself as the Ward Scriptorian, scholar and authority on everything Mormon, when in reality she was little more than a a wealthy Gladys Kravitz with too much time on her hands, so she brainwashed our kids in Seminary every Morning.

She was one of the main reasons I left!
I shared with my son, the reasons I left, which had a hell of a lot to do with racism and my problems with the hateful things Brigham Young had said, like that we should kill Black men who have sex with white ladies. We had a few African American and mixed race couples in our Ward at the time. So we had some pretty heavy discussions in EQ, between me and my African American friends, both of them married to two white Sisters in our Ward. We coached together, a lot. We had kids the same age. I loved them. I still do actually. None of them are Mormon any more, due in large part because of discussions we had.

My son asked my Bishops wife about Brigham Young's pronouncement that the punishment for inter racial couples was death on the spot by stoning. She told him, "I know this sounds bad, but that's true. it always has been. He's right."

I said, "WTF!?!?!?! Were there any African Americans in the room?"

He said, "NO!!! THANK god!!!"

Then I said, "Like it matters right? That's so terrible. I don't care who's in the room."

So this is the guy who's wife is brainwashing my kid to believe his African American friends are "cursed with black skin because they're descendants of Cain and that God never removed the curse, he just temporarily suspended it, he didn't say it was wrong and neither will we."

This is the guy who's wife is teaching my Native American kids that they're really descendants of an evil race of Jews who deserved to have dark skin because of the sins of their Fathers.

This is the guy who when I told him there was no evidence for those racist claims, that all the DNA evidence proved Native Americans were descended from East Asians, Mongolians specifically, which makes perfect sense, since Archeologists have been theorizing that as long as I've been alive and probably longer.

He responded by telling me it was fine for me to harbor doubts, but if I shared them with others, he'd be forced to discipline me.

I said, "Seriously? Even my wife and kids?"

He said, "Especially your wife and kids!"

I couldn't believe it.

My resignation was in the mail the next day.

And now he wants to know why I resigned?

I explained the sexual abuse I knew about that happened to all the Mormon kids I knew growing up. I explained about the child abuse that was ongoing, about the Mormon men who were still raping Mormon kids and all the good people, like him, who were far more interested in defending "The Good Name of the Church" than they were in defending innocent victims, which has enabled and is enabling massive abuse that I'm well aware of. There's ample evidence that proves all of my conclusions and you know it! And you threaten me with 'discipline' if I share that evidence with my wife and kids? Why? No wonder the Mormon church is as abusive as the Catholic Church, if not worse. And you want me to kids? You want to threaten me with discipline for exercising my freedom of speech and freedom of religion in my own home? NO!!!!"

He said he didn't come to my house to argue.

I told him neither did I. That i was just giving him the explanation he'd asked for, as a friend.

Have not seen him since and no other Mormons have bugged me.

I bug them.

They didn't buy my silence.

It's not for sale.

Gang stalkers of children!

My grandchild will turn 8 in April, and already Primary women have been bringing her cookies, little gifts, fliers and pamphlets about baptism. I think I'll collect the whole lot of them in a basket, go down to our local police station, dump it all on the counter, and ask for a restraining order. I live in Salt Lake City.

All of my children and I went inactive at the same time, and our ward didn't like that, and pestered us to death. They were threatening and intimidating and verbally abusive. (But never as abusive as when we were members.) Resigning helped, for a while, but then the harassment started again.

Next, we put up a NO SOLICITORS sign on our front door, which seemed to work for a while, but not that no longer works. They're just like phone solicitors: "Oh, we're not soliciting...." The missionaries stopped dropping by, after I told them their religion was a fraud, and started going into detail. But, lately, we're being stalked again.

IT'S ALL LIES. "According to our records, you're still a member...I guess we have an older, out-of-date list."

LIARS. "Are you Mark? We're not selling anything, we're here to see Mark." (They ask for specific names, like they are showing up to keep an appointment. Mark does not want to see missionaries.

The last missionaries knocked on our door when our dinner guests were arriving, and then they loitered across the street, and approached my guests, asking if they were my son-in-law. My son and I went and told them stop annoying our guests, and we stood there until they got in their car and left. We were hopping mad!

I feel very protective of my family, and anyone who comes to my home! I'll return and report what the police have to say--but probably they're all Mormons, too.

What's left do to?

BEWARE OF DOG
BEWARE OF ANGRY HOMEOWNER AND FOOTBALL-PLAYER SONS
BEWARE OF HOMEOWNER WITH HOSE

How can a church put a restraining order on an individual because somebody in their congregation feels threatened by their presence? Non violence, not related. Just told the Bishop she didn't feel safe with her going to church. So, they slapped a restraining order against this sweet TBM and she can't attend any LDS church anywhere. I think that is crazy. I'm glad I'm free from all that BS, but my friend really believes this church is true and Is very sad she can't attend.

In my resignation letter I stated that I didn’t want anyone in the mormon church to ever contact me again, and that if they did I would take legal action. They didn’t process my request to resign for three months. I then emailed the bishop and insisted it was processed, and if it wasn’t done he would be hearing from my solicitor.
My resignation request was then done immediately and no one from the mormon church has ever harassed me or contacted me. That was over ten years ago. The one exception to that was that one lady continued to send me Christmas cards, but she was a sweet harmless old lady. And one old guy who was a creep did so once and I emailed the bishop to complain. He never sent me anything further.
I’m in the UK though where mormons are very much a minority and they’re probably used to being disliked.

Not being able to attend a Mormon meeting anywhere?

That makes no sense.

There are two types of restraining orders, at least in California. There is the temporary restraining order which is then supposed to be followed by the permanent restraining order.

The temporary restraining order is a unilaterally obtained document. One fills out the appropriate paperwork, appears before a judge to swear that the content of the paperwork is it true, perhaps answers a few questions, and if the judge is satisfied, the temporary restraining order is issued.

The TRO is then served on the individual who thus learns about the restraints ordered by the judge. At the same time, notice is given to the person being restrained, that a hearing will be held to discuss whether or not the restraining order should be made permanent.

At that point testimony is heard from both sides and the judge then decides whether or not the restraining order will remain in place as a permanent restraining order. The orders are issued to protect she who sought it from physical danger. You can't get one just to avoid seeing someone. Well, you can if you lie your ass off in the first hearing...

What you've described it doesn't make any sense. You make it sound as if an individual felt threatened and got a restraining order. I suppose it's possible for an institution to get a restraining order against an individual, but that simply doesn't make sense, if only one person is feeling threatened. Logically, that individual would get the restraining order and the person being restrained would have to respect whatever the order demanded, in terms of the two individuals being kept apart.

It simply does not make any sense that your friend is banned from attending every ward in the church. Church rules say that she must attend her assigned ward, and if the person being protected by the restraining order is there first, then the person being restrained can't go in.

Fascinating story! Tell us more.

NO, you demon from the bowels of A.I. hell, I do NOT WANT ANY FREAKING SOLAR PANELS!!