More today, a follow up story on BYU sex assaults & Honor Code. Even the County Attorney is covering up. Shameful. The good part is that National news sources picked this up & BYU gets another black eye.

http://www.sltrib.com/home/3773615-155/prosecutor-says-rape-case-is-threatened

Yeah... On another thread someone mentioned that BYU rape victims need to call 911 before calling BYU, but if a victim calls 911 and the operator answers with "Provo Police Department, what is your emergency?" then that's the same as calling BYU.

I didn't say anything at that time because I was basing my opinion on material from the last quarter of the 20th century, when the Provo PD was complicit with BYU in handling homosexual cases per BYU's standards, not state law standards, not that they were all that much different back then.

But what would have changed in the intervening years that would cause Provo PD to change their modus operandi? They listen for BYU's music and dance to the tune.

"But what would have changed in the intervening years that would cause Provo PD to change their modus operandi? They listen for BYU's music and dance to the tune."

Exactly! Calling 911 in Provo is like calling BYU & the COB. What that cop did is soooo illegal. He should've been kicked off the force & arrested. (notice he is also a BYU track coach). I hope the Feds get involved. Seems like the ONLY way in Utah to clean out corruption in law enforcement and politics is to have the Feds step in.

"What that cop did is soooo illegal."

Yep...I smell a lawsuit...or a huge settlement...

Hopefully the culture will change.

There are many times on college campuses, some women cry rape, when it isn't...

Either way...it STILL.... needs to be investigated and vetted through ALL legal channels first, before having the college then do their own investigation...

Huh? BYU is fighting the cops. The Honor Code Office is obstructing justice. The prosecutor needed the witness to stay in Utah until after the case. Way to protect the attacker. Doesn't sound very honorable, does it?

BYU is slimy. If anything shows the school's true colors, it's their insistence on damning the victim in spite of the law protecting her. BYU thinks it's above the law. And we always hear how compliant Mormons are in supporting the law, that the church stands with the law...yet here it is purposely sabotaging this girl's court case. What an extremely sick, vile, filthy way to treat a victim. The BS honor code does NOT come before the law. BYU does NOT have the right to destroy this girl's legal protection. The school has proceeded to victimize her not once, but three times. This is not a Christian school. I hope the victim chooses not to comply with BYU's BS honor code investigation that thinks it's above the law. I want BYU to look awful to the world when her case is concluded.

You may get your wish. Misogyny, racism and scandal? How can the big news outlets pass this up?

I hope this girl sues BYU big time.

I just noticed the deputy who sent her case file to the HCO was friends with the accused rapist. Maybe the HCO needs a Geiger counter because they should have known that the file is radioactive.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 04/15/2016 03:56PM by bradley.

Wouldn't she?

Maybe, but the Honor Code Office gladly accepted the file. That creates a real ethical problem for BYU. Unfortunately for them, Da Rulez trumps ethics and now a snowball is rolling. But it's not snow.

When you see a steaming pile of dog poo in front of you, do you jump on it with both feet?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/15/2016 04:40PM by bradley.

"Probably. Maybe I would too. But the Honor Code Office gladly accepted the file. That creates a real ethical problem for BYU."

It sounds like this has been Standard Operating Procedure for decades. Ethical problem? It's BYU & Provo PD. We don't need no stinkin' ethics!

I think the DOJ will have to sort this out. I can imagine lawyers jumping at this to make a name for themselves. Things are different these days. Religious intolerance isn't nearly as tolerable post-9/11.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/15/2016 04:44PM by bradley.

I totally agree with Bradley! Let's get the ACLU on this as clearly the student's civil rights are being violated (14th Amendment due process of law). And let's get BYU charged with obstruction of justice, which, according to the Assistant DA is clearly happening.

"I just noticed the deputy who sent her case file to the HCO was friends with the accused rapist. Maybe the HCO needs a Geiger counter because they should have known that the file is radioactive."

Makes me wonder who the accused is related to in the church leadership...maybe a relative of a GA, 70, or apostle????

Absolutely disgusting.

The information the Honor Code office unethically obtained not only could result in the rape victim being expelled from school, but could be passed on to her bishop and she might face church discipline as well.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 04/15/2016 05:43PM by want2bx.

"The information the Honor Code office unethically obtained not only could result in the rape victim being expelled from school, but could be passed on to her bishop and she might face church discipline as well."

Normally, I am not a grammar cop on these boards, but I took the liberty of correcting your sentence.



The information the Honor Code office ILLEGALLY obtained not only could result in the rape victim being expelled from school, but could be passed on to her bishop and she might face church discipline as well.

Sounds to me like the Utah attorney general or the feds need to stomp all over this and shut down the corruption, if they have any balls! Remind me to NEVER even drive through that area again!!

RB



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/15/2016 06:07PM by Lethbridge Reprobate.

Ron, it would have to be the Feds. The last two Utah Attorneys General have been indicted for criminal crimes. Both are active LDS.

So is the current one. (LDS- BYU alum). He accepted 50K in contributions from the Kingston Clan organizations. Think he's going to look hard at BYU or Provo PD?

I know, Boner....read that in the Trib. Sounds like the whole legal system in Utah is so closely aligned to the cult that corruption is rife. It would be sweet if the US DOJ got their teeth into it and never let go.

RB

Any Utah lawyers out there? Please tell me, does Utah have a "Misconduct In Public Office" statute on the books, and could this deputy, being he's a public officer, be charged with it?

-"The Honor Code probe began after a Utah County sheriff's deputy, a friend of the accused attacker, gave BYU a copy of the police case file. Johnson said he has stressed to school officials that the file is "paperwork that lawfully they shouldn't have.""

My goodness, this thing's gonna go nuclear.

What an awful situation. Perhaps there needs to be a privacy law for crime victims similar to HIPPA. What a joke that the sheriff's deputy got a slap on the wrist for sharing the case file with BYU. It's a disgusting situation all around. I very much hope that the victim gets justice from the court system. And hope that BYU and the Title IX office get raked over the coals for this. Shame on them!

I was attacked once while walking home from my own college campus. My attacker had the intent to rape me but I was able to fight him off. I continued the short distance to my apartment and called 911. I was connected with the campus police who quickly determined (since the attack happened just slightly off-campus) it was a matter for the community police. A female police officer was dispatched to my home. She did not allow any male police officers or detectives to speak with me until she was assured that I felt safe and mentally stable enough to do so. The male police detective who later worked with me was wonderful. The case did not come to trial until about two years later. At that point the police department tracked me down, flew me 2,000 miles, and put me up at a very nice hotel for the duration of the trial. My privacy was maintained throughout the process. I never knew the name of the primary witness nor any other witness in the trial. Neither (to my knowledge) did my university. The defendant had also attacked about half a dozen other women, raping one violently.

He was a football player for my Division 1 school. It didn't matter. The judge was furious and threw the book at him. He got 25 years. I felt empowered and supported for reporting my attack and for taking part in the process.

Shame, shame, shame on BYU for being feeble, incompetent, and heartless in how it handles the victims of rape. How parents can entrust their daughters to BYU given these reports is beyond me. Young Mormon women deserve far better than this.

The BYU Title IX office supports rapists. BYU = Rape Culture.



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Indeed.

Summer, I'm glad this turned out okay for you. You're one of my favorite posters, and I appreciate the common sense you bring to the Board. One of my children was a victim of violent crime and it took years to overcome the fear and sense of vulnerability. I'm glad that you could share this very personal experience with us.

With you and the other posters, what shocks me about this tragedy is that the victims have no recourse but to try to appeal to the public because the civic authorities and the Morg are apparently the same in Utah County. If a perp is found, there's a chance that he won't be punished because of the confounding effects of the Honor Code Office investigation.

Ironically, during my days at the Y there was a campus rapist. The University encouraged men and women to support each other and to be available f someone needed help. Knowing young people, I'm sure many BYU students are furious over this. Free BYU will have some wonderful new recruits come graduation!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/15/2016 10:19PM by byuboner.

Screw those idiots at BYU

I saw this reported on KSL evening news today. I don't understand the involvement of BYU's Honor Code office. Is it breaking the Honor Code to be raped? I guess it shouldn't surprise me, the more I learn about the real workings of LDS, Inc. but still, I find it abhorrent.

In any cultural setting, there are written rules and unwritten rules. The unwritten rule is if a rape happens the woman must have done something to provoke it. In LDS doctrine, the stuff I learned at youth conferences and never could wrap my egalitarian mind around, has it that men are supposed to be the aggressors in sexual escalation and women are supposed to resist. If a guy gets overzealous in his church-assigned role, it's understandable. If a woman gets raped, she didn't resist hard enough or she somehow had it coming. And besides, she's only a woman. Eve ate the apple first so Adam is her overseer. Okay, I need to stop now before I puke.

Anyone who has raised a teenage girl can understand that Joseph Smith was a child rapist. A 14-year-old doesn't have the maturity level in any century to deal with the power politics of a hyper aggressive 37-year-old alpha male. Brigham was no better. This sexual dominance meme is built into the bedrock of LDS culture. It's an unwritten doctrine that you have to live with to understand, let alone believe. But from that perspective, everything falls into place. It's mental BDSM cloaked as religion.

A real daughter of Zion would choose death over rape, so not being dead after a rape is an obvious moral failing and this morally weak female needs the proper guidance to insure she won't let it happen again.

The in-balence goes both ways. A friend of mine in Northern Utah was accused of rape by a woman who had consented to have sex with him and then had buyers remourse a few hours afterward. He was later exhonerated.

But while the police had him in custody, at one point they had him handcuffed to a chair in an interrogation room. Under those conditions, they asked him who his bishop and stake president were (like that's even relevant?). .... only in Utah.

I agree, AZSteve, there are instances of fraud and I'm glad your friend was exonerated. However, in the case of one of the women, there was enough evidence to proceed with prosecution. The Honor Code investigation is not a court of law and should stay the fuck out of this. Enjoy the sunshine! Boner.

There's no honor in their code.

There are a few other private universities guilty of placing more blam eon rape victims for their immorality.Bob Jones and Penascola university have punished rape victims.