Does anyone have a clue?

"Something weird is going on with human sperm production. For decades, scientists have warned that sperm counts are dropping among Western men, but no one has really been able to prove it. In what is now the largest and most comprehensive study of its kind, scientists have presented compelling evidence in support of this rather alarming assertion, showing that sperm counts have dropped more than 50 percent in just four decades.

“Given the importance of sperm counts for male fertility and human health, this study is an urgent wake-up call for researchers and health authorities...”

http://gizmodo.com/sperm-counts-are-declining-among-western-men-scientist-1797231662

Stress, & perhaps our (processed foods) diet.
That's my bet anyway, I doubt it's because of Martians!



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Guys are sitting a lot more than they used to. The nads are supposed to stay at two degrees below body temperature. They pull in or drop down to maintain that temperature to incubate the sperm. Sitting all day could interfere with that.

So, get loose boxers and take breaks. I wonder if there are temperature controlled seat cushions.

yeah, that too.

Global warming, too much CO2 in the air.

Nature knows how to take care of things. Lower sperm count, fewer babies, population decline and global warming will stop.



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why do you care ?

Dave the Atheist Wrote:
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> why do you care ?


The better question is why don't you?

A drop like that is a serious public health issue.

Why is it a "serious public health issue" ? Sounds like you are afraid that white people will become a minority or something.
I would just be happy to have a lot less people.

Dave the Atheist Wrote:
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> Why is it a "serious public health issue" ?

You must be very dense to make such a statement. Be that as it may, from the researchers:

“The results are quite shocking,” study co-author Hagai Levine of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem told The Guardian. “This is a classic under-the-radar huge public-health problem that is neglected.” (http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2017/07/sperm-count-western-men-decline-study.html)

> Sounds
> like you are afraid that white people will become
> a minority or something.

Nice straw-man fallacy.

> I would just be happy to have a lot less people.

Thanks for exposing yourself as a misanthrope. You must live a pretty miserable life. Good luck with that.

pesticides, growth hormones in meats and milk, industrial chemicals, etc.

Amyjo Wrote:
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> Does anyone have a clue? Scientists have warned
> that sperm counts are dropping among Western men...

A clue for you Amylou, we Western men have plenty enough of wriglers left to make lots of lovely Western women fruitful.

God help us drive 'em in.

Most of our processed foods contain soy oil. Look at the labels. Soy foods are associated with lower sperm counts. It's not a threat to overall fertility, because the numbers of sperm are still very high.

Porn.

Porn** ah yes! Snapping the carrot often, will keep the count low as well.

This is actually a false equivalency because ejaculation only temporarily lowers sperm count -- it's not a permanent thing.

Along with the above, another theory is obesity. I know in cattle, fat bulls are less fertile.

And obesity will get even worse, as more cheap junk food is produced by our every more efficient machinery and government subsidies to farmers.

And there are also more gadgets to keep us sitting staring at a screen.

The dream for our future is to lay on our back all day staring at a screen with an IV line feeding us. Chewing is a lot of work.

Moving fingers is also hard, so perhaps manipulate the screen with eye movement.

I try to raise some food, but people think I'm crazy, when you can just buy it in the store, or pull up to the drive-thru. Or better yet, have it delivered. That is the future.

I'm inclined to agree with Bradley that a sedentary lifestyle, leading to high testicular temperature, is a contributing factor. Many of us have had greater exposure to radiation than have people in earlier generations as well.

Because women are robbing us of our vital fluids. That's what I learned from Buck Turgidson.

Actually it was Jack D. Ripper.

The first and only time I have seen my husband cry with laughter was during that scene.

A lot of chemicals end up in our drinking water which harm our sperm production. The canary in the coal mine is, in this case, the fish in our rivers: Europe is now full of intersex carp.

One more thing to add- The BoR and other government agencies that deal with water haven't figured out how to filter out the waste byproducts of prescription drugs and this includes drugs like hormonal treatments, so this is a possible effect.

Obesity does contribute to lower sperm counts, but it's important to remember that lack of restful sleep is playing a large part in the obesity epidemic and we sleep far less than we did decades ago, and children are really suffering from this.

Thus: No more "strength in their loins and sinews"

gag -- I hated that line.

What's alarming is the human population explosion. Men may be unintentionally sabotaging their sperm counts with poor diet and sedentary life style, but it's better than Mother Nature taking care of the problem. The way nature takes care of imbalance problems is not pretty.

My opinion is that human health can be improved in all areas by eating less meat/dairy/junk/processed food and more whole plant foods of all sorts. And I believe it is common knowledge now (as it should be!) that there is a consistent link between high dairy consumption and prostate cancer. So for those who still want to contribute to the human population, instead of adopting or fostering, clean up your diet.

It sounds like western society (which by most accounts) is more progressive, and a byproduct of this intellectual and cultural advancement is decreased odds of reproducing.

Conversely, less advanced, primitive societies are not affected by the detrimental reproductive affects of modern life.

Will the meek actually inherit the earth?



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Now that's some job counting them little blighters.

Porn addiction?

The laying on of hands?

Obesity plus spending too much sitting on their fat ass in front of a computer, raising testicular temps. It's the evil Internet

Over exposure to wireless radiation (microwave radiation), in the forms of cell phones (ESPECIALLY as so many men carry cell phones in their pockets close to their reproductive organs), wifi and cell towers. This has been proven in a lot of different studies. And makes sense when you look at the decline of sperm count (And also fertility in women and incidence of breast cancer, particularly tumors where they keep phones in their bras, a really really really stupid thing to do btw!), correlated in the rise in wireless technologies. The wireless industry knows about the dangers, they have yet to do any biological safety studies for their products, they just keep delaying the process. They did do one 23 million dollar study in the early 90s which DID find that cell phones cause brain tumors, so they dismissed the findings, saying they want to redo the study but have yet to actually do that. In the meantime cell phones have gotten more dangerous as the power has increased and the antennae has been made to be internal (you do NOT want an antennae of any sort placed right next to your brain!!) and there are now multiple antennas inside the phone. If the design would change just to place the antenna outside the phone they would be much safer and would require less power output from cell towers making the environment near cell towers safer. (Cancer clusters have been found in neighborhoods near cell towers)..

And you can bet that with this 5G crap that the sperm count will go even lower and the incidence of cancers even higher. 5G is extremely dangerous but is going forward with pretty much no regulations on it because of corruption in this industry. The head chair of the FCC is Tom Wheeler who was guess what, chair of the wireless coalition for over a decade (and the one responsible for tossing out findings of the brain tumor cell phone relationship in the 90s). He was the one quoted as saying (in re. to 5G) that we just need to step back and 'let the innovators innovate' when really he is supposed to be a regulator or industry and what we really need to do is let the 'regulators regulate' (i.e. he needs to do his f'ing job, and stop taking handouts from the wireless industry he is supposed to regulate).

5G in particular will interact adversely with skin and those with tattoos will be in extra trouble since the metals in the inks will in particular be very problematic. Also 5G means a massive network of new mini towers (micro wave transmitting antennae) on your homes, in your yards, on your streets, without you being able, even as a property or home owner, to say no to them. They are the same frequency used in airport body scanners, the same scanners you are not supposed to go through if you are pregnant or immune compromised. The same scanners that KILLED a 30 year old woman 20 minutes after she stepped through because it interfered with her pace maker.

You think that TSCC is corrupt? Check out the multi TRILLION dollar wireless technology industry. There are over 6,000 scientific studies available online for public viewing proving the dangers of wireless radiation. There are hundreds of groups consisting of doctors, scientists, lawyers, teachers, parents, and generally concerned citizens, fighting for stricter regulations and for safety information transparency and availability.

I have been personally harmed by these technologies and have had my life and health severely disrupted. Were it not for what happened to me and to some of my friends (Who died of brain tumors linked to cell phone use), I would not be any more knowledgable about these dangers than anyone else. But as it is I've had to do a lot of self education on the topic and one thing I have come across is the effect of wireless radiation on reproductive fertility (also causes prostate cancer).

So just be warned.

As a person whose entire career has been in the design of multispectral sensing systems, operating from RF all the way through visible wavelengths, I can say that your knowledge of electromagnetism is based on a lot of hype, and not a lot of fact.

It's true that the eyes and testes are the most susceptible to RF related heating, but it takes a lot more energy than what your cell phone puts out.

And previous threads have attempted to educate you on the difference between ionizing and non ionizing radiation, and how cancer relates to those things, but apparently you'd rather ignore those facts, and follow the hype.

shapeshifter Wrote:
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> Over exposure to wireless radiation (microwave
> radiation), in the forms of cell phones
> (ESPECIALLY as so many men carry cell phones in
> their pockets close to their reproductive organs),

I have a lot of training and experience in the field of wireless communications and I'm totally calling BS on this.

> wifi and cell towers. This has been proven in a
> lot of different studies.

Name one peer reviewed study that cell towers are directly impacting human fertility, please. We're waiting.

> And makes sense when you
> look at the decline of sperm count (And also
> fertility in women and incidence of breast cancer,
> particularly tumors where they keep phones in
> their bras, a really really really stupid thing to
> do btw!), correlated in the rise in wireless
> technologies.

Bulldink. Please provide evidence.

> The wireless industry knows about
> the dangers, they have yet to do any biological
> safety studies for their products, they just keep
> delaying the process.

Total crap as well. And I'm not responding further to this conspiracy crank nonsense. Cite your claims, please, or kindly shut up.

(Sorry, don't mean to be combative, but this pseudoscience nonsense drives me nuts.)

Interesting. There's actually quite a lot of info online on this subject. It goes both ways. The following was taken directly from the American Cancer Society page on the subject:

"People can be exposed to RF radiation from both natural and man-made sources.

Natural sources include:

Outer space and the sun
The sky – including lightning strikes
The earth itself – most radiation from the earth is infrared, but a tiny fraction is RF
Man-made RF radiation is used for many different things, such as

Broadcasting radio and television signals
Transmitting signals from cordless telephones, cell phones and cell phone towers, satellite phones, and 2-way radios
Radar
WiFi and Bluetooth
Cooking food (in a microwave oven)
Heating body tissues to destroy them in medical procedures
“Welding” pieces of polyvinyl chloride (PVC) using certain machines
Millimeter wave scanners (a type of full body scanner used for security screening)....

Cell phones and cell phone towers

Cell phones and cell phone towers use RF radiation to transmit and receive signals. Some concerns have been raised that these signals might increase the risk of cancer, and research in this area continues. For more detailed information, see Cellular Phones and Cellular Phone Towers....

A study by the US National Toxicology Program (NTP) exposed groups of lab rats to types of RF energy used in cell phones. The rats were exposed for about 9 hours a day, starting before birth and continuing for up to 2 years. Partial findings from this study showed increased (although still low) risks of brain and heart tumors in male rats exposed to RF radiation, although there was no increased risk among female rats. Some aspects of this study make it hard to know what these results might mean for people, but the results add evidence to the idea that RF radiation might potentially impact human health....

The International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) is part of the World Health Organization. One of its goals is to identify causes of cancer. IARC has stated that there is limited evidence that RF radiation causes cancer in animals and humans, and classifies RF radiation as “possibly carcinogenic to humans” (Group 2B). This was based on the finding of a possible link in at least one study between cell phone use and a specific type of brain tumor. IARC considers the evidence overall to be “limited” because of the conflicting findings and methodologic limitations in some of the studies....

People who are near microwave radar equipment can be exposed to enough pulsed microwave radiation (a type of RF radiation) that they begin to hear clicking noises. This is sometimes called RF hearing and does not seem to cause long term health problems.

Although there is concern that people exposed to low levels of microwaves over long periods of time in their jobs could have an increased risk of cataracts or loss of fertility (in men), this has not been seen in large studies.

How can I avoid exposure to RF radiation?

Because sources of RF radiation are so common in the modern environment, there is no way to completely avoid exposure to it. It may be possible to lower your exposure to RF radiation by avoiding jobs with increased RF exposure, keeping away from appliances and equipment that use RF, and using devices that allow mobile phones to be used without placing them against the ear. Still, it isn’t clear that doing so will be helpful in terms of health risks."

https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/radiation-exposure/radiofrequency-radiation.html

Article from Forbes thumbnail:

"Children absorb a greater amount of microwave radiation than adults. ... Cellphone manual warnings make clear an overexposure problem exists. ... Wireless devices are radio transmitters, not toys. ... will err on the safe side; that is, the side that's safe for industry, not the side of what's safe for society."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertszczerba/2015/01/13/study-suggests-wi-fi-exposure-more-dangerous-to-kids-than-previously-thought/#630af1f51bd4

Some other links:

https://www.safespaceprotection.com/emf-health-risks/emf-health-effects/wi-fi-router-dangers/

For those who want to leave it all behind,

"The United States National Radio Quiet Zone is an area where wireless signals are restricted for scientific research purposes, and some people who believe they have EHS have relocated there seeking relief." Wikipedia

"Some countries classify electro-hypersensitivity as a disability and may offer assistance. Otherwise the only choices at the moment are to shield yourself, either with various products to make your home as electromagnetically clean as possible or to change location to somewhere that has less electromagnetic pollution."

Amyjo Wrote:
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> Some other links:
>
> https://www.safespaceprotection.com/emf-health-ris
> ks/emf-health-effects/wi-fi-router-dangers/
>

Did you even look at that website before posting the link? What a bunch of pseudoscience, woo, scam BS. The whole site is built around selling worthless, overpriced junk to gullible people. Not that different from mormonism.

Believe what you want, but the American Cancer Society is not engaged in conspiracy theories. Did you even read that?

Being in denial covers a whole lot more than Mormonism when you're wearing blinders.

You cannot deny there is scientific studies recognizing the potential for inherent risks from RF radiation. So it's not really a hoax like you're trying to make it out to be.

Some may be more hypersensitive to electromagnetic radiation. Some may be more exposed to it than others depending on where you live or work, etc.

That some governments even classify electro-hypersensitivity as a disability shows it is taken seriously. It is a developing area of study.

Amyjo Wrote:
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> Believe what you want, but the American Cancer
> Society is not engaged in conspiracy theories. Did
> you even read that?
>
Yes, I did read it and the whole page can be summed up by this paragraph:

It isn’t clear what effects, if any, RF radiation has at levels of exposure too low to produce heating.


> Being in denial covers a whole lot more than
> Mormonism when you're wearing blinders.

You can say that again. It also applies to believing fairytales.


> You cannot deny there is scientific studies
> recognizing the potential for inherent risks from
> RF radiation. So it's not really a hoax like
> you're trying to make it out to be.

Does RF radiation have the POTENTIAL to cause harm? Maybe. I certainly don't claim to know everything about how electromagnetic fields affect living tissue. The problem is that to date there have been no REPRODUCIBLE studies showing harmful effects of EMF.


> Some may be more hypersensitive to electromagnetic
> radiation. Some may be more exposed to it than
> others depending on where you live or work, etc.

As someone who has chemical sensitivities, I am well aware that people can be very sensitive to things in their environment. As an Electrical Engineer, I am also well aware of just how small the EM fields (EMF) radiated by devices is. I also know that when researchers have tried testing people who claim to be sensitive to EMF, the people are unable to tell when they are being exposed the EMF and when they are not. I can certainly understand someone being sensitive to the flickering light from electric lighting or video displays but this is not the same as being sensitive to EMF. Do I think there needs to be more research? Absolutely!


> That some governments even classify
> electro-hypersensitivity as a disability shows it
> is taken seriously. It is a developing area of
> study.

Which governments, exactly? Sweden, France?

Sweden may recognize the symptoms a person has as being disabling but I do not believe they attribute the cause to EMF. If they do then they are the only place in the world that does.

In France a judge ruled a person was disabled because of their symptoms but did make any conclusions as to the cause of those symptoms.

Less orders for the little factories?

You mean like the supply goes down as demand decreases?

People are postponing marriage and having families until older. It's more acceptable to be single now than ever before, and less taboo to be childless.

Women are more inclined to postpone children for careers, sometimes indefinitely.

Plus, the love of money and its pursuit is an aphrodisiac in its own right.

Some people would rather get their thrills from chasing the dollar, investing, and what money can buy for them. Than investing in relationships and having children.

With the high divorce rate there are Millenials who have no desire to marry or procreate because they don't want to be put in that position financially or socially.



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Early baseline sperm counts were flawedd or were perhaps abnormal in other ways. Maybe the baseline was abnormally high?

TIGHT underwear. It keeps the two boys too close to the 98.6degree body and they cook. Google it and see if I'm not right?
Boxers let the air circulate and they stay a lower temp. where they can thrive! They also get sticky and stick to your leg with boxers, so it's a trade off.
Cook 'em and 'kill em, or sticky leg? You choose.
I forgot commando!!!!! No excuse here for low sperm count. It is what it is.

More yo0ung guys are probably wearing boxers now than in earlier generations.

Fluoride in the water and low frequency radio waves from excessive electronics.

Though it could be from exessive female hormones that are never filtered from waste water before being dumped back in for those downstream to drink.

I think we all know why. Oh dear!

Beta male syndrome.

Who's counting?



What a boring job!

Good, we could use fewer talking primates on this rock.

I don't know about anyone else's low sperm count, but mine's because of a vasectomy.

Maybe today's little factories produce a better, stronger and more determined product. Not as many need to be sent out to acheive the same level of success.

Didja ever think of that, huh?

It only takes one!

Amyjo, your comment is a good lead in for the old joke.....
Out of 3,000,000 chances it had to be you.

You zygote you.

:) :) :) :)

Suppose you have a health problem and there are two possible solutions - which are you more likely to choose?

A. Don't spend a lot of time near cell towers.

B. Limit your screen time, control your eating, eat better food, lose weight, and get off your fat ass and do something.



Answer: B, in 99% percent of people.

Always go for the solution requiring the least effort and discipline.

Meanwhile the USDA can spend billions subsidizing farmers to produce more junk food. And then feed as much as they can to school kids to get rid of it. And keep the school kids sitting on their asses instead of doing some real work.

And we can pay unemployed to sit and not work, instead of working in the fields as I did growing up. And since we don't want to work, illegal immigrants come in and do it for us, which creates more government agencies to deal with that.

And then there's the agencies that provide healthcare, etc for those illegal workers. Which allows the corporate farmers to pay less, which is why so many LDS farmers I know are living large, and can profit while overproducing.

Anyway, it is all designed for us to sit on our ass and eat junk while corporations and politicians and bureaucrats make money.

And government can spend trillions to study the mystery of why our health is going downhill. And the FDA can approve new drugs to treat obesity.



Isn't it glorious!

Oops, blew the punch line. Answer is A in 99% of cases.

Right Now, (age 70+), I'd be satisfied with:

a) a Greater quantity of semen,

b) Repentance & Forgiving from-by the mother of my children, and

c) refund of my "contributions-donations" to tscc, reimbursement for my missionary time...


any chance on Any of those?



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