The church just released the news (they had to because he was a member of the presidency of the 12) but they are quick to let the world know that the cause "it is not apostasy". Seach: James J. Hamula

They put not apostacy because he was over the historian dept and correlation and they don't want people to suspect he left because he could no longer lie.

So, we have in you the reincarnation of the Great Carnac?

Hopefully James will talk. A lot!

And will YOU also be disappointed if it is revealed that James Hamula committed adultery and didn't apostatize?

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> And will YOU also be disappointed if it is
> revealed that James Hamula committed adultery and
> didn't apostatize?

Since committing adultery is tossing away temple covenants, it *is* apostasizing.

I'm disappointed that the church exists, and excommunicates people.

I'm never disappointed when somebody leaves the church, even if they were kicked out.

To Former 70 James if you ever come here:

Welcome!
We'd be glad to have you around here.
And while curious, of course, most of us won't care WHY you were ex'd.

Uh, did I say I hope YOU talk? No I did not.

Jeez, I don't need a damn label from a false church for excommunication. I don't rejoice in betrayals of any kind. Take that, Eddie Francis.

This from the Deseret News..."The church confirmed that this action was not taken because of disillusionment or apostasy." So, thankfully, it was just a moral issue; and he didn't loose his testimony. I hope his wife and family find comfort in the publicity this will bring the family. Maybe THEY will find disillusionment with the church. The Boner.

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James Hamula was in my law school class (class of 1984). Despite the news release, it would not surprise me one bit if he was ex'ed for disbelief. The first seeds of my disbelief were sown while I was a law student. There were a number of my fellow students who were starting to question things, including a friend who later became an area authority.

I hope Jim Hamula speaks up about what happened.

If James Hamula speaks, will you be disappointed if he was excommunicated for adultery and not for apostasy, which most people on this board believe is what happened?

I was in Jim's law school class, too, like Merryprankster123 (wonder who you are). Jim was always very nice, low key, an upstanding person, a friend. I have no love for the institution of the TSCC and its bizarre practices, but I have to say I am sorry that Jim and his family are going through this. It's gotta be hard for them...

Could this have been the 70 who was meeting with Grant Palmer?

This is a very good question. As far as apostasy vs. something else, I would never ever trust the church's answer for anything.

I wonder if he received a payout from LDS Inc. contingent on signing a NDA so he wouldn't reveal any damaging information against the morg - he's got to have a lot of damning information after serving as the Assistant Executive Director of the Church History Department. I hope he talks.

I wonder if he had to sit through a "court of love" or if he was just axed.

consisting of the FP and Q12

http://www.sltrib.com/news/2017/08/08/high-ranking-mormon-official-excommunicated-first-such-ouster-in-nearly-3-decades/

"In cases involving members of Mormonism’s presiding quorums — rare as they are — the faith’s governing First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles form a disciplinary council to consider such actions."

This had to be like being pecked to death by a duck!

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Deleted for you, Caffiend, sorry to have offended.

Just thought of something.

Is it safe to assume that a Q70 has received their 2nd Annointing?

If so, church leaders usually overlook transgressions that regular members would require disciplinary councils. He must have done something very damaging to the IMAGE of the church.


Maybe this is the guy that has been regularly leaking church memos and other documents.

Wow -- good point. I'm sure that a 70 of long-standing would have had the 2nd anointing -- meaning there is only ONE unpardonable sin for him -- denying the Holy Ghost.

You're sure, are you? That's quite a bit to assume. Not a safe bet, me thinks.

Well, the church didn't X Paul Dunn for lying and making the church and the priesthood look stupid.

Here's a quote from one of the readers that probably reflects the thinking of many brain-washed TBMs--

"At least we, unlike other churches, hold our leaders accountable and don't allow them to drag the Church's name down with them."

Yes, Mormons are definitely more righteous than others!

"At least we, unlike other churches, hold our leaders accountable and don't allow them to drag the Church's name down with them."

Translation: In order to not let them drag the church's name down with them, we hide what they have done for as long as we can, and then only when there is absolutely no other option, we kick them out and then brag publicly about how wonderful our church is for having such great leaders, and how bad other churches are for not having the same.

Perfect translation, Johnny!
I see you speak the obscure language "Mormon Bullshit..." :)

My TBM dad and a few of my siblings were/ are very fluent....so I learned it all from them :)

"...hold our leaders accountable in order to not let them drag the church's name down with them."

LOL ! Ya, that's why they sing "Hail to The Man" who raped 14-year-olds to a tune they stole!!!

Somehow "the 69" has a better ring to it.

LOL

Most excellent, Bradley!

The good news is I've never heard of him.

Does the church really want to mess with the head of the church history department? Doesn't he know where all the bodies are buried?

Unless he talks, we'll never know why he was kicked out. I wouldn't believe the official word of the church anyways. They lie about everything.

I predict that Hamula will be rebaptized into the Church in about
a year.

Of course he'll never be a GA again, and everyone will whisper
when he walks by, "that's the guy who was a GA and got
excommunicated for SIN."

I think he will be thrown under the bus. Eventually he will be accused of something bad (like what they did to Lee).

He's already been accused of something bad. If you eliminate apostasy and disillusionment, about all that is left is improper placement of precious bodily fluids.

Although I suppose embezzlement is a possibility.

Porn?

Only if he starred in it. Otherwise they'd have to ex them all.

I have heard that there is infidelity here. I have also heard that He is a non-believer as well. Given that I am anonymous this should be given ZERO credibility.

For what its worth this came through a close relative.

AITK.

Did Jesus ever excommunicate anyone? Isn't TSM grander than Jesus. Shouldn't he be above this? Judas wasn't even excommunicated. Kult, cult, quilt, quolt, theives, liars, usery, guilt, darkness, evil, haters of truth, douch bags, self-fondlers, pedofiles, women abusers, scum, cheaters, government insiders, selfish, greedy, family destroyers, senile, useless eaters, con men. If I left anything out feel free to embellish.

He needs to get himself and his family out of Utah ....Fast.

I think he lives in Mesa AZ.

Utah is a step up. Mesa Mormons are bizarre.

Y'all think he'll ever talk about what happened or why? I'd be surprised if he ever did, even to his very best friend or his wife. Unless he's VERY disillusioned. =(

He ain't gonna talk.

There is no way they ex'ed him without making damn sure he walks away with no sour grapes or axes to grind.

I've heard PEDOPHILIA is popular among the ranks. Such an egregious misdeed to get exed over will surely hit the newsstand soon. I will bet my last tithing payment, touching or even looking at minors will come out. That's not apostasy. That's following the shepherd, JS, himself.

I hope the world will see how imperfect the TSCC is. How much longer can this fake church can keep up appearances? For real! The truth is on the internet. Nobody can make it up like JS did. Until a mass of people demand truth from the TSCC it will morg on.

A few apostles excommunicated even though had 2nd anointing:

Amasa Lyman--insubordination.

Albert Carrington--adultery--1885

Moses Thatcher--insubordination on political matters--1890s.

Richard Lyman--adultery--1940s.

John W. Taylor and Matthew Cowley--refusing to submit on polygamy Manifesto--early 1900s.

There are more high-level men. On a lazy August afternoon I don't want to bother to look them up.

It can be only one or a combo of these scenarios:

1) he's gay.
2) he liked other ladies too much.
3) he's an intellectual thinker. Who questions his own assumptions.
4) he knocked off a 7-11 and its something criminal.

Spoiler alert: He has a affinity for Double Frappachinos

Willing to bet this is a issue of infidelity. That's the only thing that really makes sense.

I hope he writes a tell-all memoir with much throwing-under-the-bus of guilty parties.

It ain't gonna give me a do-over to have normal life, but it would make the balance of my life a bit more enjoyable, watching the corporation implode....

Prez Hamula was my stake president over 25 years ago in Mesa. I even got to confess and repent my premarital sex to him. That was fun...not.

My TBM family is freaking out right now.

I really, really, really hope he didn't cheat on his wife or something like that. I hope he just decided he couldn't lie about TSCC anymore.

It's funny how the church stresses that he was not an apostate or disillusioned with the cult. This leaves sin, as always.

Sin always carries a special stench if they still hold sway over the poor sod. It's like the cherry on the sundae for those who like to inflict a little extra pain.

Ya'll got this all wrong. Clearly, he's been offended. Lol

I am really just hoping that he is one of us, and not only that, but I am wishing that he is one of the people on this thread pretending to be someone else in order to stay anonymous. Stupid, I know.