So Lucifer (named from a mistranslated passage in Isaiah) was cast out of heaven along with 1/3 of God's children (that he ended up casting out billions of His own children would seem to call into question God's parenting abilities). So, basically, Lucifer/Satan is just a disembodied spirit that's been cast adrift.
So how can he tempt us?
I have a body. I can type things on a keyboard. I can write things with a pen. I have vocal cords. I can make sound waves in the air. Every way that I can communicate with anyone has to do with my body. But Satan doesn't have a body, so how does he communicate his "temptation" to us?" In fact, how does Satan interact with the physical world (including us) at all?
On a similar tack, it once occurred to me that the invisible man must be blind. Since light just passes through his body without interacting with his retinas, his eyes can't form an image to send to his brain. He must be blind.
Similarly bodyless-spirits like Satan, do not have any way of interacting with the physical world. Therefore, Satan does not absorb photons. Satan can't see us. He has no ear-drum that vibrates with sound waves so he can't hear us either.
So, how the hell (no pun intended) does Satan tempt us?
Exactly. That's why I never was afraid of " ghosts". I knew they could never physically move objects across the room, or kill people, unless you think you see a ghost and run out the room screaming, accidentally falling out a 2nd floor window, hitting the pavement below. I believe in some form of spirits after someone dies, but not in physical form, just a feeling that some presence is there. It happens rarely though. It could be just imagination though to someone you were close too, no where near what the stereotype of a spirit or presence might be.
It was my understanding that as spirit children of God we had a spirit body. This spirit body is made of matter what is searching fine, pure matter that we near humans are unable to detect it. So once you get the spirit to be composed of matter, then your hypothesis is invalid.
Now this sort of made some sense back in the day, meaning late 50s and early 60s seminary but now that science is able to drill down and look at individual Atoms, either the spirit matter is even finer than that, or they simply haven’t gotten a spirit to sit still long enough to undergo examination.
It was “well known” that Satan could plant thoughts in your mind, and he could help you find porn¡¡
I used to be so proud of how mormonism had all the answers...
But, according to LDS doctrine, I have a spirit body too. I had a spirit body just like Lucifer's, but I didn't get cast out so my spirit body now inhabits a physical body. Lucifer was a spirit who got cast out BEFORE getting a body. That means I have EVERYTHING that Lucifer has and more.
However, I'm unable to do anything to anybody. Unable to see "spirits bodies"--just physical bodies. unable to affect anything physical without using physical means. Unable to put thoughts into anyone's mind without use of the physical senses, etc.
So how can Lucifer tempt anyone? I should be able to tempt people as much as Lucifer can and more. Besides, he's just one guy with no body and no special God-like mojo powers. He's no more powerful than I am--in fact he's less powerful.
I guess that's why he needs the 1/3 of the hosts of heaven as his minions. I wonder how he keeps them in line--keeps them on duty trying, with their pathetic, limited powers, to tempt us flesh-and-bone people. I'd think after 6000 years there would be dissention in the ranks of his minions, specially given that they were the ones to were the dissenters against authority in the first place.
Somewhere in your brain there is a "spirit antenna" that can detect spirit particles and spirit messages. In most people it isn't very reliable. Because it is part of your brain you have to learn how to use it, thus the endless lessons/meetings on Sundays.
Spirits can also affect atoms. That is how we as spirits helped form the earth. It takes a lot of energy for a spirit to affect visible matter, which is why it doesn't happen very often and why having a body is such an advantage.
Once you realize that vision is the detecting of photons, pretty much all forms of spiritual belief become impossible. It is best to not take physics lessons if you want to remain faithful. Unless you assume that Newton's third law doesn't apply to spirits. If Newton's third law (for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction) doesn't apply, then ghosts/spirits can pick you up and throw you around the room without you being able to hit them. Spirits/ghosts could be affected by photons without the photons being affected.
So I guess that must be your answer. Spirits are not bound by Newton's third law.
The Invisible Green Potato Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Spirits/ghosts could be > affected by photons without the photons being > affected. > > So I guess that must be your answer. Spirits are > not bound by Newton's third law.
-- How does he go about tempting everyone and producing evil in the world unless he is in some sense omnipresent?
-- Is he a being with a humanoid form who has perhaps a council of demons with whom meets regularly and delegates them to do evil to specific people and in specific circumstances?
It's just that people seem to believe that Satan is almost unlimited in his ability to produce evil and tempt specifically each of the billions of people on the earth at any time, not to mention planting false doctrines in their minds that jeopardize their spiritual salvation.