Just found out that my sister forced her kids to drink powdered milk as kids because the bishop's wife was her friend and made her kids drink it from their food storage.
My niece couldn't stand the powdered milk and wouldn't drink it. I'm surprised she grew up with decent bones and teeth.
There is a way to make powdered milk, when it is reconstituted properly, taste perfectly fine. Keep in mind, (cow's) milk is designed to make a relatively small animal become a huge industry commodity for beef or milk. Why humans are drinking cow's milk still baffles me. We can't figure out why we gain weight year to year but, for gawd-sakes, keep that two gallons of milk in the icebox for cookies and breakfast.
The method is to make a gallon of powdered milk with ice-water. Let rest 24 hours. Split gallon of powdered milk with a half-gallon each of full fat milk. Stir. Let rest 24 hours. If you keep on this cycle, you can save a ton of money on milk for the huge families that infest the Wasatch Front. Maybe in studies done years from now, scientists can tell us what horrific effects humans had on this area, besides the fallout, mining, drilling, overuse, over-grazing, and monoculturizations.
I remember the foul air in Cache Valley. Couldn't stop coughing all winter for the inversion that lasted forever.
BUT, I seldom drank powdered milk. There was a brand that had a little bit of fat in it that my roommates used. It was okay if, as you stated, it was cold. I'd only drink that if absolutely necessary or maybe for cooking.
cakeordeath Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- Why humans are > drinking cow's milk still baffles me. We can't > figure out why we gain weight year to year but, > for gawd-sakes, keep that two gallons of milk in > the icebox for cookies and breakfast. >
A whole lot of people in the U.S. who wouldn't drink milk unless they were forced to do so at gunpoint continue to gain weight. I wouldn't consider milk to be quite such a culprit in that regard.
It is though...there is something about lactose that is very fattening. Even skim milk is fattening due to the carbs. I realize the industry places the "carb" count on the side of the box, but I agree with Cakeordeath that milk (i.e. lactase = the sugar in milk) keeps people fat. Drop dairy from your diet and watch the fat fall off.
Margarine is the culprit. If you eat at any commercial establishment your food is swimming in margarine. Butter does not cause weight gsin. Neither does a glass of milk.
Butter and magarine are both fattening Sioban. Butter packs about 100 calories per tablespoon (100% of which are from fat). And margarine about the same. Very calorie dense. The cal's in butter, margarine, and butter-like spreads come with no fiber and very little nutrition. These cal's will feed a healthy serving of fat to your fat cells, and they have a tendency to raise cholesterol levels, increase risk of cancer, increase risk of heart disease, contribute to weight gain, and more.
So milk not only can make people fat if they drink to much due to the carb content (and hence calorie increase), milk also causes an insulin spike like any sugar. If a person is trying to lose weight, Milk is insulinogenic, and fat burning will stop in the body. In other words, when insulin is secreted in the body - it's a signal for fat burning to stop - the bodies cells open wide to receive all that fat and sugar. Drink milk and ingest butter together, and you will put on weight like a Sumo wrestler.
Better to drink Almond milk and use Avacado butter my friend. Milk and butter puts on weight in general for the reasons I have explained.
I guess we are lucky in this area to have fresh unhomoginized milk available. There is no comparison. Same for farm eggs and only $3/dozen. Fat or not margarine is crap. Butter is not.
Except in a very small number of cases, people who are overweight are taking in more calories than they are expending. To blame it all on milk or on any other single food is a major stretch.
Well you are an "MD" so you obviously are much smarter than me. I guess what I was trying to say is that if someone is counting cal's and trying to lose weight, milk will slow down or stifle the fat burning because it pushes the carb count over the optimum limit (and most people don't know that 50-100 grams of carbs) per day is optimum for fat burning. Milk is a hidden carb culprit because it doesn't take much to carb out on milk.
Bill Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Well you are an "MD" so you obviously are much > smarter than me. I guess what I was trying to say > is that if someone is counting cal's and trying to > lose weight, milk will slow down or stifle the fat > burning because it pushes the carb count over the > optimum limit (and most people don't know that > 50-100 grams of carbs) per day is optimum for fat > burning. Milk is a hidden carb culprit because it > doesn't take much to carb out on milk.
"MD" or not, I don't necessarily possess any more intelligence than does anyone else who posts at this site, but the bottom line for weight reduction will always be about creating a calorie deficit. Milk obviously contains calories, and if a person doesn't consider those calories in calculating his or her total intake, he or she is likely to have difficulty in losing weight. If someone thinks drinking milk is just like drinking water, there's a problem. Most people of normal intelligence, however, are aware of the calories in the milk they drink. For one thing, the nutritional information is listed on the container.
Dieting fads have come and gone and come back again since the 1930's. Everything from counting fat grams to counting carbohydrate grams to adjusting one's diet according to blood type [someone got rich on THAT one] to considering "the female fat cell" [someone made a lot of money on THAT one, too] to adjusting one's food intake according to the lunar cycle to having a feeding tube inserted instead of consuming food to ingesting tapeworms to saturating cotton balls with fruit juice and eating them and probably a hundred other ideas have been touted as miracle cures for weight problems. Except for ingesting tapeworms, which in many cases actually works but is a terrible idea for overall health reasons, most of these fads work only if they result in a calorie deficit. The feeding tube works if the person really refrains from eating or drinking [anything but water] while the tube is in place - it creates a calorie deficit - but people who use it often gain the weight back very quickly once they've returned to acquiring their nutrition by eating..
Calories aren't the only consideration in terms of decent nutrition, and a person should balance his or her diet in order to be healthy. Weight loss is about consuming fewer calories than one expends.
I remember drinking powdered milk back in the 1970's. My folks had a bunch in their food storage and for some reason thought it would be a good idea to mix it up and drink it. Tasted like vomit. After a couple months they went back to buying milk at the grocery store.
My mother tried to trick us by mixing it with real milk. It didnt work and no one would drink it. I agree that there are better ways for people to get calcium. Cows milk is good for baby cows, not people who have passed early childhood.
My parents loved me and gave us whole milk. My first missionary companion was convinced that powdered milk would make us more humble. Gagging does make you humble.
Oh gawwwwwwwwd, yes. Even though they'd mix it half and half with whole milk, I had to gag it down. I can remember that we knew what day the milk came (you younguns wouldn't get that), and my brothers and I would race to the milk box trying to get some plain milk for our cereal before Dad got a chance to mix it.
And it was that old carnation powered milk in the box. I guess it was just a new thing, so not only did it go in our food storage, it must have saved pennies too. I think by the time I was in middle school they had stopped.
No, in fact, we were never made to drink milk, a fact that all my friends liked when they came over, especially spending the night. My mom had some weird idea from her mom , growing up that certain food, especially meat would turn poisonous if taken with milk at the same time ( not to kill you, just got you sick) We did sneak chocolate milk at school. We always drank water, iced tea or different flavoured drinks, like Wild Cherry, chocolate coke, root beer, grape. We drank it when we came home, or before bed. I still don’t like milk, to this day, I used to love chocolate milk or Mars drinks, but mainly drink water, iced tea , sometimes OJ, occasion beers
They must have talked about it in R.S. because there were other food substitutes that they used back then. For me, it was the 1960s. I refused to drink the fake milk. I hated flake potatoes. Like potatoes are expensive, but you know that food storage was so important, but we needed to use it.
The thing I really hated was the meat substitute that you could buy in several flavors. We burned it once in taco meat. It smelled horrible. I could taste the flavor in gravy when my mom made meatloaf. It just ruined the whole meal. I think it eventually just got thrown out as we refused to eat it.
My dad wouldn't tolerate it. My mom didn't like it either. She was just trying to be frugal. That horrible stuff didn't last around our house.
My mother and I drink about 2 glasses of cow's milk every day, sometimes whole, 2%, skim, it doesn't matter. My children drank whole milk, because the milk fat helps the body absorb Vitamin D. We are an athletic, muscular family. Mother was a professional ballet dancer, my father was on the BYU football team, my brother and I both had athletic scholarships to universities, my children play football and rugby (one on scholarship) and dance. One of my brothers decided he hated milk, and never drank the stuff. He was the only one in our family to be obese. Go figure.
There's a study out there (sorry I can't remember the specifics) that proves that people who drink milk have smaller waistlines. The study went by measurements rather than weight, because muscle weighs more than fat.
Milk was my "secret weapon". In high school and college, when the gang would stop by a 7-11 for soda, slurpees, and a candy bar, for a quick sugar fix, I would chug a pint of milk. People would always ask me how I could eat anything I wanted, and still be so thin....
High lactose corn syrup (from genetically-modified corn) is the main culprit.
We had powdered milk as children. Dad and mom kept a dairy cow too while we were growing up, so we almost always had a steady supply of fresh unpasteurized cow's milk - during the seven years we lived on our farm.
When times were lean, there was the powdered milk. We took it with us on camping trips. Food storage, etc. If we ran out of fresh milk ever, for any reason, there was either powdered milk, or condensed or evaporated milk to substitute it with.
We didn't drink it very often, just once in a blue moon. Never really did learn to like it much. Still prefer fresh milk by far.
oH Hell no. they made me milk the cows, so they could get a milk check from the local creamery so they could pay their tithing. as a side benefit, I was allowed to have some raw milk to drink.
The only time I ever used powdered milk was when I lived in Armenia in the 1990s. We had no power most of the time, so regular milk wasn't available. And yes, it was really gross.
I'm laughing here, because my parents never made us drink powdered milk (I grew up RLDS), but I use it now because it's cheaper. I have kept it around for years to cook with, and started using it for the real thing because if I buy more than a quart of fresh milk at a time it goes bad before I can use it all. (I live alone).
My method is to use a smidge more powder than the directions call for, then mix the powder with HOT water, so that all of it dissolves, and then store it in a quart glass milk jar (the old-fashioned kind, there's a local dairy called Shatto that sells milk in glass jars and I kept one instead of returning it for the deposit). I put it in the refrigerator immediately after mixing it up and chill it overnight.
I'm not into drinking a glass of milk, but I drink what's left in the bottom of the cereal bowl without thinking a thing of it. :)
As much as I rail against milk, I still love the flavor and consistency. My point above was simply to make powdered milk palatable one must think a bit like Alton Brown (Good Eats, Food Network USA). The same is true for most food stuffs that have been suffered by generations of folks along the Wasatch Front.
My TBM parents, hung out with people of other faiths because we did not live in Utah. So, we were always being introduced to others cultures, beliefs, and party foods. It was a lady who was Cherokee who taught my mother how to make powdered milk taste good.
I've seen a little but not a lot of Alton Brown. Would you mind explaining how thinking like Alton Brown can make powdered ilk palatable? If Mr. Brown is truly capable of a mindset or of anything else that would make powdered milk palatable, he's second only to Jesus, who turned water into wine.
cakeordeath Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > As much as I rail against milk, I still love the > flavor and consistency. My point above was simply > to make powdered milk palatable one must think a > bit like Alton Brown (Good Eats, Food Network > USA). The same is true for most food stuffs that > have been suffered by generations of folks along > the Wasatch Front. > > My TBM parents, hung out with people of other > faiths because we did not live in Utah. So, we > were always being introduced to others cultures, > beliefs, and party foods. It was a lady who was > Cherokee who taught my mother how to make powdered > milk taste good. > > I do like the idea of using hot water Vibiana! > > Cake
scmd1 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I've seen a little but not a lot of Alton Brown. > Would you mind explaining how thinking like Alton > Brown can make powdered ilk palatable? If Mr. > Brown is truly capable of a mindset or of anything > else that would make powdered milk palatable, he's > second only to Jesus, who turned water into wine.
Mr. Brown's former show on the Food Network was called "Good Eats". His approach to making food included helping his audience understand what was underlying causes of how foods taste. Sort of like a lab technician explanation of things.
IOW, over the years, I and family members and friends have found ways to improvise with food. And finding a way to make powdered milk more palatable fell into that thinking.
cakeordeath Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > scmd1 Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I've seen a little but not a lot of Alton > Brown. > > Would you mind explaining how thinking like > Alton > > Brown can make powdered ilk palatable? If Mr. > > Brown is truly capable of a mindset or of > anything > > else that would make powdered milk palatable, > he's > > second only to Jesus, who turned water into > wine. > > Mr. Brown's former show on the Food Network was > called "Good Eats". His approach to making food > included helping his audience understand what was > underlying causes of how foods taste. Sort of like > a lab technician explanation of things. > > IOW, over the years, I and family members and > friends have found ways to improvise with food. > And finding a way to make powdered milk more > palatable fell into that thinking. > > Cake
I lived with my TBM aunt and uncle as a teen and had the job of mixing milk, half real milk with half powdered. It saved a little money but it was better to eat cereal dry than with the nasty mixture.
Nothing is worse than Americn-style powdered milk. But there is a choice; in tropical and/of impoverished countries there is powdered whole milk. In the US I have only found Nido brand in the Hispanic food section, Maybe if you have a Latin-American grocery nearby, you can find other brands in larger cans. My LDS sister forced powdered milk on her kids their entire lives. It's fun to ask them today what they thought of that.
I think non fat dry milk was a fad when I was little. I remember helping my mom mix it in tall, slender plastic bottles. We were not Mormon then so it was not motivated by any religious influence, just convenience. It tasted funny but I don't remember being repulsed by it. It was much better very cold.
We also ate liver a lot. My mom pretended it was tasty and I fell for it. To this day I find it a treat.
There is another milk product available in powdered form: Goat milk. It's widely available powered, canned, and fresh. Due to the fat content I only buy it every few years as a special treat but I find it very tasty and rich.
I don't think so. Back when I was a kid, we still had bottles of milk delivered to our house by the milkman. I was a chubby kid, so my mother started me on skim milk when I was still fairly small. She had these unbreakable aluminum glasses, and she assigned me the blue one, so I never realized that the skim milk had a bluish tinge to it.
I still like to drink milk - a nutritional shake every morning. I was using a high-protein mix until my nephrologist raised Cain about that, but I still like the convenience of having a quick, tasty "shake" for breakfast. Just not that high in protein.
My parents tried to get us to drink powdered milk once. I would not be surprised if the powdered milk was something developed by the military, specifically to drop behind enemy lines and crush the opposing army's morale. Drinking that powdered milk should be classified as a punishment.
I had to try to feed NIDO to kids in a preschool where I worked because the owner was too cheap to spend money on the wholesome unhomoginized milk mentioned earlier even though it is no more expensive than food factory milk. Even NIDO tastes like crap and the children wouldn't drink it and I poured buckets of it down the drain when she wasn't looking. She would have made me serve it even when it was bright blue from mold.
Yes. They didn't make us but sometimes that was the only option.
One morning, I didn't finish my morning breakfast (Puffed Wheat) and as all the rest of the family got a warm dinner I got my chilled, leftover, soggy cereal.
Naturally, I didn't eat 'dinner'.
Guess what popped out for breakfast the next day. Guess who didn't eat it. Guess who hates puffed cereal and will never eat it again.
My parents tried that "keep serving it until they get so hungry they finally eat it" method of getting me to clean my plate. It didn't work. I had a stash of candy in my room so I didn't ever get hungry enough to eat a nasty leftover plate of food served over and over cold. What were parents thinking when they tried that method of discipline? My parents finally decided I wasn't getting proper nutrition so they quit serving that plate of uneaten food after about three tries.
I grew up in a large family, eating cold cereal every morning for years. My mother would mix 1/2 powdered milk in to real milk for years. We never knew the difference. I actually like the taste of powdered milk. I guess I'm strange.
But I can't remember the last time I had any dairy. Don't miss it one bit. When I used milk in my coffee, I was constantly clearing my throat.
My parents were on that kick. Was not good. Seems like later there was a brand that wasn't as nasty. I'm thinking the name was Zoom? Still not good. My dad was a doctor. We lived frugally, but that was silly.
I'd love to know how much milk costs in the US. Here in Oz supermarkets own brand full cream or 2% ( called HiLo here) costs around AUD $1 a litre..that's around 75 cents US.
Listening to all this powdered milk stuff makes me very thankful my childhood was in Scotland where 4 pints of lovely fresh full cream milk were delivered by the milkman every day in the early hours.
I buy organic, which is a bit more pricey. I buy a half gallon of 1% for around $4.50. Don't know what that would be in any other currency. I've had full fat goats milk and that's delicious. But it's hard to find here.
Yeah..organic is more expensive. I just checked what a half gallon is in litres and 2 litres is just over a half gallon apparently. So I'm paying $2 Aus for a half gallon which is around $1.50 US. Current rate of exchange is one Aussie dollar is around 75 US cents.
I've been buying organic recently for a change. It's $3.29 a gallon v. the $1.69 a gallon I pay for skim milk that's non-organic. It's a creamier flavor, so I like it better (for fat-free.)
Our family kept a dairy cow where I grew up on a small farm in Idaho. We always had a steady supply of fresh unpasteurized milk on hand. With growing kids it came in useful. It has a distinct flavor though that took awhile to cultivate. We would skim the cream off the milk each day after it rose to the top. Dad would sometimes have us kids take turns churning the cream into butter. That is hard work!
As for powdered milk, haven't drank it in years. If I needed to, it wouldn't bother me because I don't mind it.
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