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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: September 09, 2018 07:23PM

What is SOP on these?

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Posted by: memikeyounot ( )
Date: September 09, 2018 07:38PM

There may be a decision made today but I'm going to guess that the decision has already been made by whoever's in charge.

Could be wrong.

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: September 09, 2018 07:41PM

Of course Wholly McGhost knew ahead of time what the decision would be!

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Posted by: babyloncansuckit ( )
Date: September 09, 2018 07:43PM

It’s a sad day for kangaroos.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: September 09, 2018 11:57PM

Well put!

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Posted by: slskipper ( )
Date: September 09, 2018 07:41PM

I bet they are going to wait for the hubbub to quiet down and then they will privately inform him.

And yes, the decision has already been made. It was made after his first blog post.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/09/2018 07:42PM by slskipper.

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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: September 10, 2018 06:20AM

Based on the article, it seems that Sam did a really good job of stating his position in a relatively short amount of time.

I think his excommunication is a foregone conclusion. This did not come from the Houston area, no matter how much the Mormon church protests otherwise. This came from higher up.

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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: September 10, 2018 06:29PM

"“Because of the personal nature of church disciplinary matters and to respect the privacy of those involved, the church does not provide information about the proceedings,” Hawkins said. "


That is unless they want to let your family and friends know.

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Posted by: subeamnotlogedin ( )
Date: September 11, 2018 06:50PM

I have not heard an update.

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Posted by: Anon 3 ( )
Date: September 10, 2018 12:38PM

They send you a certified letter telling you that you have been excommunicsted. Anyone in your family signs for it, anyone can open it.

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Posted by: saucie ( )
Date: September 10, 2018 07:39PM

Sign for it? I didn't get mine registered mail. Since when does

the tight wad church pay for registered mail instead of regular

snail mail.

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Posted by: Anon 3 ( )
Date: September 11, 2018 07:02PM

Its certified with a receipt sent back as proof you were informed of the decision.

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Posted by: deja vue ( )
Date: September 12, 2018 12:48PM

Is it possible the cult will just leave him hanging with no conclusion being sent out? They know where this is headed (to the media) so to avoid more bad PR they hide?

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Posted by: NormaRae ( )
Date: September 12, 2018 02:27PM

I don't think they planned on the timing--having the tribunal right in the height of the Catholic church sex scandal. Hard not to compare the two and say "the Mormon church is just as bad."

All I can say is that just as the Republican party's support of Trump, despite his total lack of scruples, morality, honesty, fidelity and Constitutional respect has nixed their right to ever call themselves the party of values voters or the Moral Majority, minority or anything; if the church ex's Sam, they have completely lost their right to claim ANY kind of moral high ground or support of children and families.

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Posted by: lisadee ( )
Date: September 12, 2018 06:33PM

NormaRae Wrote:
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> ....if the
> church ex's Sam, they have completely lost their
> right to claim ANY kind of moral high ground or
> support of children and families.


Amen!
But we know TSCC is nothing but hypocrisy anyway.

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Posted by: messygoop ( )
Date: September 12, 2018 08:34PM

I firmly believe that this SP (like so many others before) had already made a decision prior to the disciplinary council. However, I believe that the higher ups have directed this SP not to reveal the church's decision until some days have passed. I think this is done to make it appear as if the disciplinary council actually prays, ponders and deliberates the merits of each church court case.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: September 12, 2018 08:40PM

They also get to choose a time when people aren't focused on the excommunication.

If they had announced the decision on Sunday or Monday, those who had demonstrated in his favor might have demonstrated again--guaranteeing that the press would pay more attention. By waiting till people have moved on, the church gets to avoid coordinated, large-scale public protests.

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Posted by: Done & Done ( )
Date: September 12, 2018 08:43PM

Yeah. I think they are waiting until the Hurricane hits land full force and then they will announce the decision just as the worst is happening and the press won't care. Heavenly Father arranged the hurricane just for this purpose. There's always a higher purpose.

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Posted by: Done & Done ( )
Date: September 12, 2018 08:44PM

I would say you are dead right, messygoop.

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Posted by: messygoop ( )
Date: September 12, 2018 08:58PM

Hey D & D,

that makes a lot of sense about releasing the decision when the press is focused on a bigger story.

Many years ago, a set of brothers were facing church disciplinary action after being convicted and sentenced to the state penitentiary. During an early morning bishop's meeting (I was the ward clerk), the bishop revealed that the SP was planning to excommunicate one and disfellowship the other.

They really are kangaroo courts with pre-determined outcomes.

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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: September 12, 2018 08:51PM

is it accurate the that half (6?) of Dry Council members are supposed to represent 'the object's (Sam's ) side of these councils?


I DON't CARE, but do they tell what the 'rules' / protocol of the proceedings is?

Also, since church makes records, (Sam) could also.

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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: September 13, 2018 07:48PM

somewhere in my files, 'Ancient' photos of front page of Church News (or DN) listing ex's....


yup, that's the change they embrace!

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Posted by: SusieQ#1 ( )
Date: September 12, 2018 09:26PM

Yes. It's accurate, GNPE. This is all handled locally. Half of the Stake Council are to protect the member summoned to the Disciplinary Council. Anyone can ask questions. It's all explained at the onset of the council. Paperwork is sent to SLC Membership Office which is considered Confidential.

There will be a letter of the findings of the council mailed to him. Generally, there will also be an announcement in Sacrament Meeting and/or Priesthood Meeting on next Sunday, probably.



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Posted by: starbucks ( )
Date: September 13, 2018 08:59PM

They ANNOUNCE this BS in Sacrament????

I've never heard that.

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Posted by: SusieQ#1 ( )
Date: September 14, 2018 07:23PM

starbucks Wrote:
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> They ANNOUNCE this BS in Sacrament????
>
> I've never heard that.


I worked for a Stake President many, many years ago and for CES. And yes, it was done a one time. Usually, it was only announced in priesthood meeting to the men whether the person was male or female.

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Posted by: subeamnotlogedin ( )
Date: September 14, 2018 06:54PM

WHO: Press Conference with Sam Young & Supporters
WHEN: Sunday, September 16, 12:00 PM MT
WHERE: South Temple across the street from Temple Square, Salt Lake City

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Posted by: SusieQ#1 ( )
Date: September 14, 2018 07:25PM

subeamnotlogedin Wrote:
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> WHO: Press Conference with Sam Young &
> Supporters
> WHEN: Sunday, September 16, 12:00 PM MT
> WHERE: South Temple across the street from
> Temple Square, Salt Lake City


It's been announced all over Facebook, also.

It will likely be well attended even though this is not where the Disciplinary Council was held.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/14/2018 07:25PM by SusieQ#1.

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