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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/06/2018 12:43PM by darmonomo.

Bribing members with their own free time. Wait until they learn that they can have all their free time back, less stress and a 10% pay raise.

Tithing has been increased to 13%, to counteract the 1/3 reduction in church attendance.
Conservation of Righteousness.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/06/2018 01:24PM by chipace.

<snort>

:-)

LOL

This will make it easier for those whose families are "part member" families.

Give them more time at home with spouses etc

How will that work for Primary?

...it just mean less Cheerios need to be cleaned out of the pew seams.

Time to short Cheerios!!

So TSCC wants a "home centered church?"

Here's the link to the article:
https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900035371/president-nelson-expected-to-speak-as-latter-day-saints-gather-for-general-conference.html

Article states:

"It is time for a home-centered church, supported by what takes place inside our branch, ward and stake buildings."

"The weekly sacrament meeting will be reduced from 70 minutes to 60 beginning in January 2019. The second hour of church services will also change. The traditional third hour of church services will be eliminated, replaced by flexible, individual- and family oriented learning and worship, said Elder Quentin L. Cook of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, who followed President Nelson's remarks.

"The long-standing objective of the church is to assist all members to increase their faith in our Lord Jesus Christ and in His atonement, to assist them in making and keeping their covenants with God and to strengthen and seal their families," President Nelson said.

"The changes are designed to meet that goal and will include a new "integrated curriculum" to strengthen families and individuals both through home study and focused worship at church. Since 1980, the church's Sunday services have included weekly Sunday School classes and a third hour of instruction separately for both men and women.

"Now the second and final hour of the new schedule will vary from week to week, with Sunday School classes conducted on the first and third Sundays, and the priesthood quorum meetings and Relief Society and Young Women meetings conducted on the second and fourth Sundays. When there is a fifth Sunday of the month, instruction will be under the direction of each congregation's bishop or branch president, church leaders said.

"Instruction for young children in the Primary program will be held every week in the second hour of worship services."

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There are several takes:

1) Survey says: church is too long.

2) Now TSCC does not have to build as many meetinghouses. They can put an extra ward in a building if necessary. Saving the almighty $$$ of the dwindling tithing receipts. And, in this scenario - more free cleaners for the buildings.

3) Anything to make TBM's more excited to NOT be at church. But I wonder, will more extra leadership meetings take over that time?

4) Statisticians for TSCC have done calculations and perhaps, perhaps, TSCC will be selling off some real estate (meetinghouses).

Remember this, it was a few years ago that a RFM poster had just been to a stake conference with Elder Bednar. Bednar had said something to the effect that "you shouldn't get used to having this building to meet in. We just need to make covenants, etc."

And wasn't the enlightened Q15, the TRUE prophets, seers and revelators, the guys who changed the old style of three separate sunday services (and mid-week youth activities, primary and relief society) into the BLOCK SCHEDULE that we have today? Wasn't that supposed to provide more family time? And now, cutting off an hour down to two hours is supposed to suddenly make this a "home (family) centered church?"

I guess the true Mormon God should have started this new schedule decades ago - since HE KNOWS EVERYTHING. (sarcasm)

This will make FHE even more unbearable.

It's always Bednar who is the source of leaks. My sister has a friend who works for Bednar and he told her about home teaching going to ministering and the combining of the high priest and elders quorums. Sure enough that happened. So stuff leaking from Bednar and his staff seems to happen. Maybe they are going to get rid of the meeting houses to save money and just hold shorter church meetings in less meeting houses and put more focus on the temple. It's the temple recommend that generates the tithing. The temple is $$$$$ to the church and a meeting house is an expense.

I bet it's also to address that they have less people in the pews to fill callings for the 3 hour block

Good point. We've been getting increasing reports of members refusing callings.

Remember how thrilling it was to hear announced that the church was going to a three hour block? Ghawd's will be done!

What gets me is how much this announcement will be the talk of the wards! Yippee, we have permission NOT to be in church for 3 hours! Like my never mo guy said, they are having a morgasm over this! <snort>

The guys at the top are seeing an inevitable and massive implosion coming during the next couple of decades. And they're taking steps now to make it less visible and shocking. Gradually becoming a ghost town versus becoming a ghost town overnight.

The demographic core is probably failing. It's like realizing that the foundation is riddled by termites and collapse is unavoidable.

The old programs can't be maintained. So you downscale to a temporarily sustainable level. Rinse and repeat until nobody's left to care.

Since it's just the same thing over and over and over, why should it take even a half hour?

Notice that Primary essentially continues week after week. Got to keep those young ones fully indoctrinated you know!

Reportedly lots of singing time, though -- 25 minutes worth included. Got to build those earworms.



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I loved the signing part (well, singing is always my favorite thing). If they made all of church singing only, I might be interested in attending. lol

Really? At last. What good news for the active members. (Not that it matters to me....I don't go at all.)

They are trying to become a 'regular Christian church' so the few that do join will not get overwhelmed with the hours.

They could eventually, go to a 1 hour meeting with 'snacks, drinks, and socializing' after.

Anything to stem the flow out of members!!!

ALL HAIL OUR EXALTED, INSPIRED RULER!



P.S. Why wait until January???



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Exactly! I'm going to start taking that hour right now!

The next “improvement” has to be reducing the tithing requirement. Better to do the 10 percent after subtracting living expenses than get nothing.

Does 'living expenses' cover MLM payments, porn subscriptions?

What about vacations?



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The former RLDS, now Community of Christ, tithes only on their net income after other bills are paid first - it's basically a tithe on the disposable income. It isn't anywhere near as wealthy a church corporation as TSCC has become. Then, that wasn't its goal to begin with.



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What do you know, those are really big changes. Hey, if changing Depends is so easy, why not a church?

Not all members are overjoyed by this. Here's an interesting comment from the linked article.

I think the church should go back to the way it was done when I was a boy.

Get up early in the morning, go to priesthood meeting. Come home for a couple or three hours then return to church for Sunday school. Come home for a few hours then return to church for sacrament meeting. When that’s over drive home in the evening in the dark.

Those Sundays were the longest. I dreaded going to Sacrament in the evenings because it meant missing the ABC movie of the week, or worse, Walt Disney.

Sometimes I feigned a tummy ache to be able to stay home while my family went without me, so not to miss the Walt Disney feature. If I'd been well, there'd have been no chance at all my parents would've let me stay at home while they went to church without me.

This also means that Sunday school teachers and RS/PH/YW/YM leaders only have to prepare lessons twice a month. There will be a huge reduction in stress and time spent on prep at home. This might stop some of the frequent burn-out that occurs, which might help their retention rate I’m afraid.

sessions and priesthood conference sessions? My TBM daughter just left the womens' conference. I had NO CLUE they did this at the spring GC.

The answer is simple, the LDS church is downsizing to accommodate the times. The leadership is aware of a lot of statistics they do not share with the member proles and they all stink. Fundamental to all of this is that the LDS church is not growing in the only nations that count, the core revenue generating Western nations of the church.

In these nations church attendance is dropping for all determinations, and the only chance for the LDS church to survive is to become more palatable for the younger generations who do not want to spend long hours in a second, unpaid job. So the leaders make being an active member of the LDS church a little easier to bear by reducing the Sunday hours from three to two.

However, in the long term the LDS church will wane to a much smaller institution. The older hard core generations that kept the church going through thick and thin have passed away, or will be passing away shortly. The church is just fading away, step by step.

Spot on. Growth of the church has been stagnant if not declining the past decade. Christianity as a whole is declining in the west. The church now is just hoping to retain members and stop a mass exodus.

Holy mother of all that is good and holy. Where was this all my years of going to church.

I feel oddly ripped off. 3 hours tortured my brain.

Sigh.

And you paid very handsomely for that 3 hours of torture... insult to injury.

Although I was just an Investigator for two years (with Golden title awarded), I loved the three hour block, especially initially as I thought it may be true.

I always thought it was a good mix of Elders Quorum, Sunday School (or Investigators class) and Sacrament.

I would think that members who truly believe the church is real and true will be disappointed. Isn't it only the non believers that would prefer less church attendance (usually nil for the non believers).Once I realized the church wasn't true my attendance dropped to nil (all of a sudden).

I remember way back on my mission that we were over two wards in an area, and we spent over 6 hours at Church.

Burnout right there. I guess on your mission you had more time to double up, but still.

Mormons are happy

There is no way a church could come up with this revelation without having a true and living prophet! (Except for all the other churches that do it.

And I've been wishing for this for decades, except I was wanting a third hour to just be a social time, to replace home teaching.

I had a guy from church stop by last spring and tell me I would be happy now because they did away with home teaching. I proposed that in a letter to the church in 1997, which is story #85 on this site.

If they could just get rid of the whole religion thing, I'd probably go back.

They'll eventually take the ward buildings out of play entirely and the members will go to the stake building four times a year, but each member will log in to LDS(dot)org weekly for a ten-minute message, after which they will make a payment towards their tithing obligation.

I say that ghawd gave the world computers and the internet so that saving souls would take less time and energy! What a guy!

elderolddog Wrote:
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> They'll eventually take the ward buildings out of
> play entirely and the members will go to the stake
> building four times a year, but each member will
> log in to LDS(dot)org weekly for a ten-minute
> message, after which they will make a payment
> towards their tithing obligation.

What evidence is there for this prediction?

How close are you to the church at this point in your life? To predict the outcomes for something you say you do not want any part of? The church is really okay without you, or anyone who doesn't want to participate/attend/tithe/whatever.

Did you resign? If so, why the interest in what the church (whatever they wish to call themselves) is doing?

The Mormon Church is swirling down the sewer - one hour at a time.

Interesting stats on declining church membership from Boston Globe article on change to 2 hr block:
Church membership growth has decreased in recent years, with membership growth in 2017 being the slowest in 80 years, according to independent Mormon researcher Matt Martinich. The number of convert baptisms in 2017 reached the lowest level in 30 years, he said.

I think many of the older (empty nest) members are rather shocked. For them, the shorter meeting means less-socializing that they've grown accustomed to.

messygoop Wrote:
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> I think many of the older (empty nest) members are
> rather shocked. For them, the shorter meeting
> means less-socializing that they've grown
> accustomed to.

They can socialize over cocktails when the church gets rid of the Word of Wisdom.

> The number of convert baptisms in 2017 reached
> the lowest level in 30 years, he said.


Curse that Satan and his wily wiles!!

darmonomo Wrote:
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It WILL STILL TAKE ALL DAY SATURDAY GETTING READY FOR SUNDAY

52 X 2
+ 52 X 8
+ 3 X 2 + 5 X 8 X 12
= The same 645 AVERAGE (thousand) hours per year
Per dummy

Still a WASTE OF TIME
No matter how it's cracked up

darmonomo Wrote:
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Hey!! I am all for it!!!

Obviously I don't care since I resigned four years ago....

tra la, tra la, tra la.

Its good to be out..

I hope by saying the MORMON church is going to be more of a "home centered church", they don't mean they will be invading members' home life even more. It sounds like a home invasion to me, with the "ministers", and all.

I think of my TBM nieces and nephews with their families. They'll follow the formula no matter what comes out of Temple Square, without question.

LDS church is following the footsteps of Fundamentalist Church and soon, no one will go to church and the prophet will make announcements from his condo at Temple Square.