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Posted by: timney ( )
Date: October 08, 2018 11:37AM

Ok... this didn't take very long.

I was talking with my MORMON co-worker this morning, and me being a nevermo will always refer to them as MORMONS.

I asked him "So how was the Mormon conference?" and he immediately corrected me and told me that saying 'Mormon' is incredibly offensive and should be treated the same as saying the N-Word. I should only say 'Mormon" when referring to the Book of Mormon or Mormon the prophet... all other uses are offensive.

He told me that this is a church-wide COMMANDMENT from now on, and I should respect his beliefs by not calling him a Mormon.

So now it starts... I now have to watch what I say around my MORMON friend...

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Posted by: angela ( )
Date: October 08, 2018 11:41AM

My reply would have been "then why have members of your church promoted it for so long, including the name of your choir"?

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Posted by: valkyriequeen ( )
Date: October 08, 2018 11:46AM

I probably would've said something like: "Well, the prophet Mormon, whom the B of M is named after, didn't seem to have a problem with his name :D

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Posted by: angela ( )
Date: October 08, 2018 11:47AM

Apparently they own the trademark to it, so how strange is that?!?!?! (From wiki)

Trademark[edit]
In some countries, Mormon and some phrases including the term are registered trademarks owned by Intellectual Reserve, a holding company for the LDS Church's intellectual property.[21] In the United States, the LDS Church has applied for a trademark on Mormon as applied to religious services; however, the United States Patent and Trademark Office rejected the application, stating that the term Mormon was too generic, and is popularly understood as referring to a particular kind of church, similar to Presbyterian or Methodist, rather than a service mark.[22] The application was abandoned as of August 22, 2007.[23] In all, Intellectual Reserve owns more than 60 trademarks related to the term Mormon.

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Posted by: Done & Done ( )
Date: October 08, 2018 11:50AM

What is offensive with your colleague's comment is his comparison of the "N" word to the "M" word.

The "N" word is one of the ugliest words ever to have come into being. It cuts. Claiming the word Mormon is on par with that is a slap in the face to African Americans everywhere I would say.

I am so happy that now all I have to do to insult Mormons is to call them Mormon. They handed that to us on a plate. Stupid Mormons.

When are the Mormon LDS going to realize that the "branding" is just lipstick on a pig?

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Posted by: severedpuppetstrings ( )
Date: October 08, 2018 12:17PM

Done & Done Wrote:
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> What is offensive with your colleague's comment is
> his comparison of the "N" word to the "M" word.
>
>
> The "N" word is one of the ugliest words ever to
> have come into being. It cuts. Claiming the
> word Mormon is on par with that is a slap in the
> face to African Americans everywhere I would say.
>

>
> When are the Mormon LDS going to realize that the
> "branding" is just lipstick on a pig?


Anything to make it look like they are being "persecuted" or "discriminated against." It's like, "Look how special/peculiar we are compared to the world!"

And yes, it's quite offensive for your work colleague to say that calling someone a "Mormon" is the equivalent to using the "N-word" which is an ugly, racist word used to make slaves feel inhuman. Still used in that way today. I'm curious as to how many Mormons had used that word up until they had members of African descent before the so-called priesthood ban?
If the term "Mormon" is so offensive, has TSCC thought of how offensive it might be to through a 40th anniversary celebration of the so-called "ban" being "lifted"? Bringing up those many years of racism or the whole "You people can join us, but that's all you're getting. You can't have the priesthood or temple privileges because...well, you're black. Basically, you're cursed." I can go on.
I'm really trying to understand how Mormon became so offensive considering that it is the name of one of the BOM prophets, and that that name is in the book that they consider to be the keystone of their religion. Or is it just offensive because the almighty president Nelson said it was?

And I feel the same way about the so-called rebranding of TSCC. And it's the same way I feel about my abusive ex: You can put a pig in an expensive suit, but it still is, looks like and smells like a pig, and still has pig-like qualities. Changing the name isn't going to change the fact that TSCC's "meat" is tainted.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/08/2018 12:26PM by severedpuppetstrings.

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Posted by: Beth ( )
Date: October 08, 2018 12:22PM


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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: October 08, 2018 01:50PM

severedpuppetstrings Wrote:
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> Changing the name isn't going to change
> the fact that TSCC's "meat" is tainted.

What about its "milk?" I think I was "creamed" with it when I was a believer.

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Posted by: Nightingale ( )
Date: October 08, 2018 06:05PM

That was my first thought too, D&D. How incredibly offensive that comment is, insensitive, ignorant.

What is it about the name Mormon that became so offensive and why did it turn negative seemingly overnight?

When outsiders (including exmos) use that word are they intending it as a slur?

Really it's just the name by which they've always referred to themselves and, as noted, their institutions.

Very, amazingly, familiarly weird.

Another fine mess Nelson has got them into. This is really the biggest issue in their tiny little world? Picayune ain't in it.

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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: October 08, 2018 11:59AM

timney Wrote:
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> So now it starts... I now have to watch what I say
> around my MORMON friend...

They are your friend?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/08/2018 11:59AM by Elder Berry.

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Posted by: Gheco ( )
Date: October 08, 2018 12:03PM

So will the N word be reinstated to common usage in Mormonism again?

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Posted by: donbagley ( )
Date: October 08, 2018 12:27PM

That word is on their minds, if not their tongues, I think.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: October 08, 2018 12:26PM

This new name will, like the previous changes, last about 15 minutes.

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Posted by: exminion ( )
Date: October 08, 2018 12:53PM

Right--I will savor using the word "Mormon" often!

We have the right to use whatever name we want--and so does the press. We choose to not use racial slurs, because these are extremely offensive to everyone. There's no comparison with the word "Mormon". Do Mormons offend themselves? They are the polygamists, here. They are the elitists. They are the ones baptizing our dearly departed into their cult.

"Mormon" is a name they chose for themselves, and waved in our faces like a banner of superiority. Like severedpuppetstrings pointed out--there's no comparison with the plight of black-skinned people and Mormons. I resent the Mormons equating their religious persecution to the persecution of slaves, and the persecution of the Jews at the hands of the Nazis. This is deeply offensive on every level!!!!!

It was not persecution; the Mormons were breaking the law!

I had a Mormon correct me, too, and I acted like I was exempt from this (yet another everchanging) Mormon rule. I said, "I don't belong to the Mormon church anymore, and I don't know what's going on with all your changing rules...." I was not angry, just confused, and unwilling to follow any more Mormon rules that don't apply to me at all.

Perhaps timney can keep his/her friendship with that Mormon by not talking about the Mormon church AT ALL. After all, now the name of it is unmentionable! Shhhh! No Mormon talk in the office.

LOL--yes, they did hand this one to us on a platter!

Curse you--you damned--MORMONS!

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Posted by: Afraid of Mormons ( )
Date: October 08, 2018 01:00PM

This is yet another way that Mormons can bully us, and call attention to themselves. The mouse that roars. Always stay in the public eye--even about stuff so stupid and petty as re-branding. Mormons are the opposite of spiritual. It's not a church at all, but a cult, as they are proving over and over again.

This is to take the focus of they way the Mormon cult demeans women and children. Sexual abuse is too much in the news, these days. The best defense is a good offense, eh?

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Posted by: sparty ( )
Date: October 08, 2018 01:37PM

Tell your idiot friend that Mormon is not the new N-word. You can both know that what I'm testifying of is true by this: your friend still said Mormon, and still referred to it as "the n-word."

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Posted by: sparty ( )
Date: October 08, 2018 01:48PM

I just watched Nelson's rant about the name. He seemed genuinely pissed that former prophets would have ever promoted the nickname "Mormon" instead of the full name ("EVEN the Church of Cheese and Rice of..."). Does that mean that the church was uninspired when it launched the "I'm a Mormon" campaign? Was God upset when they were using "mormon dot org" as the church's primary outreach website? Did God have a problem with it this whole time, or did he just recently become woke?

When the initial style guide was released, I knew right away that this would be how they would claim persecution for now. With the way information spreads today, they know that they can't HONESTLY claim that their church is actively persecuted anymore. Most people don't really even think about them most days. The people who might have a passing familiarity with them probably know them as Mormons - now they can pretend that name is deeply offensive to them. Forget that they used to call their choir, their newsroom, or have a major PR campaign that actively embraced the nickname - it's offensive and always has been.

They will realize pretty quick that most of us outside their bubble will never use the whole f'ing name. They will always be the Mormons. If they want to pretend that they are offended by it, whatever. This is just a passive aggressive way for white, middle-aged, mostly affluent Americans to thumb their nose at political correctness. "WELL IF GLEN BECK CAN'T SAY THE N-WORD ON TV, YOU CAN'T SAY MORMON!" They will be serious about this for about a year. Then they'll only get serious about it at conference time when Nelson reminds them it's not ok. In a couple years, Nelson will kick the bucket and most people will forget this was ever a thing. Including the Mormons.

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Posted by: babyloncansuckit ( )
Date: October 08, 2018 07:21PM

Wait until the old geezer dies. They’ll go back to Mormon.

Or given the power of the Kool Aid, dump even more ridiculous hoop jumping onto the members.

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Posted by: Roy G Biv ( )
Date: October 08, 2018 01:45PM

>> "I asked him "So how was the Mormon conference?" and he immediately corrected me and told me that saying 'Mormon' is incredibly offensive....."

Reply: Why are mormons so easily offended?

>> "He told me that this is a church-wide COMMANDMENT...."

Reply: Great, you don't have to call yourself mormon. I'm not a member of your church so it doesn't apply to me. Hey, I heard mormons only have to go to church for 2 hours on Sunday now!

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Posted by: Honest TB[long] ( )
Date: October 08, 2018 02:09PM

This weekend as we got our brains soaked, cleansed, and immersed in the holy words of this General Conference it seems like the only thing we can remember about the word "Mormon" is that its a proper name a few times and in the title in the book of scriptures about the Nephite civilization. After my brain got all this overloading intake it just can't possibly fathom why some of the people out there think that the people in the Church ever were called as a nickname this "Mormon" word.

I think why baptism is by immersion instead of sprinkling is because its symbolic of us getting a complete washing of our brains to think and act in accordance with the sacred and beloved Correlation program's directions. But then again I can't be sure because thinking is so unimportant when compared to learning to be exactly obedient to the holy middlemen over our Wards/Stakes who serve under the command of the mighty seers, revelators, and prophets in the FP/12.

I'd ask them at church what's the proper term for this cleansing immersion of our brains except that the Correlation program hasn't told us that this is an important question. Right now the most important questions we are supposed to be asking is how to be more obedient and better tithepayers.

Oh yes when doing missionary work (as we're working hard to get all neighbors and co-workers fully assimilated) I'll remind people that "we are not Mormons but we are [long]". Surely it will help people be attracted to us as having the most normal imaginable clueful religion :)

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Posted by: sbg ( )
Date: October 08, 2018 02:50PM

In that case it is now the Church of Arnold, and the book of Arnold. Thank you Elder Cunningham.

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Posted by: Done & Done ( )
Date: October 08, 2018 03:39PM

Haha. HA. That's the best. Thanks for the laugh.

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Posted by: Jimbo ( )
Date: October 08, 2018 07:51PM

How could you be so cruel ? not only did you offend your co worker you offended Jesus and played right into Satans evil game .You will pay you little clown when you mess with President Nelson Don't even think the M word. not now, not ever . if you dare looking at LDS.org videos of the "I'm a Mormon" campaign you will pay dearly and be one of the minions of The Adversary . Why exercise your agency in such a foolish way. your eternal salvation is at great risk for even thinking the M word . Nelson Oaks and Eyring are not to be questioned the thinking and the name change has been done and is certainly not negotiable Repent NOW

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Posted by: arinae ( )
Date: October 08, 2018 08:05PM

How DARE you say "LDS," even when referring to the website of the most high god's official webpage! You must spend the 15 minutes to type out the full name of his church or you're just being intentionally offensive!

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Posted by: CrispingPin ( )
Date: October 08, 2018 08:04PM

Maybe my memory is failing me, but I really can’t recall there ever being a pro African American web site called n-word dot com, or a promotional campaign called “I’m an n-word.”

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Posted by: sparty ( )
Date: October 08, 2018 09:42PM

If saying Mormon is offensive, sinful, a slight against God, and a victory for Satan...and watching porn is offensive, sinful, a slight against God, and a victory for Satan...does that mean watching an “I’m a Mormon” video is the same as watching porn???

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Posted by: Ramone ( )
Date: October 09, 2018 05:21PM

There is no way "Mormon", or most other words, could be loaded with centuries of hatred as the one starting with "N". It just isn't possible.

And the last I checked, Mormon.org is still owned by the Church, and expounds on their doctrine. I don't recall any African-American organizations owning a domain using the other word.

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Posted by: snowball ( )
Date: October 10, 2018 09:10AM

Ramone - You took the words out of my mouth. Well said.

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Posted by: anybody ( )
Date: October 10, 2018 08:48AM

Mormon is an ethnonym they created themselves. African-Americans never chose to call themselves the n-word.

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Posted by: smirkorama ( )
Date: October 10, 2018 09:04AM

yah, and your MORmON associate would also probably like it if you could wash his car and mow his lawn and buy him lunch too.

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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: October 10, 2018 11:24AM

Mormons called themselves by that name for many years. They promoted that name to the outside world for many years. It's ridiculous to claim offense to that name at this late date.

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Posted by: baura ( )
Date: October 11, 2018 01:10AM

"And I will here remark, my Dear Sir; that Mormonism, is the pure
doctrine of Jesus Christ, of which I myself am not ashamed."
--Joseph Smith, 8 Sept. 1842

http://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/letter-to-james-arlington-bennet-8-september-1842/1

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