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Posted by: anybody ( )
Date: October 10, 2018 09:35AM

http://churchandstate.org.uk/2016/09/florida-christians-want-to-kill-women-who-have-abortions/

Abolish Abortion Florida – a Christian-run political group aimed at ending legal abortion in the United States – wants women who obtain abortions to be punished. That is, they believe any woman who obtains an abortion should receive the death penalty.

The push to kill women for exercising control and choice over their bodies follows similar (yet less deadly) calls earlier this year by GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump to punish women for abortion. His campaign’s newest advisor wants to ban abortion in all forms – even in cases of rape, incest, and when necessary to save the woman’s life.

Based on the GOP’s focus on abortion this election it should come as no surprise the next logical step for Christian conservatives is to literally kill the women who want to choose what happens to their bodies.

Basing their reasoning in the notion that abortion is actually murder and would hold accountable not just those who perform abortion but those who obtain them, Abolish Abortion Florida is pushing for a 2018 state ballot measure (that would immediately be struck down assuming the Supreme Court isn’t stacked with Scalia-style judges) making all of those involved criminals with the possibility of being put to death.

According to a press release from the anti-choice organization:

The political committee Abolish Abortion Florida (AAFL) has launched a ballot initiative to amend the state’s constitution to punish abortion as capital murder. Under the proposed amendment, anyone who performs or procures an abortion would be charged with first degree, pre-meditated murder. “Abortion” would include any abortifacient drug or device that can kill an embryo by preventing implantation, as well as the intentional destruction of unwanted IVF embryos. The amendment would define life as beginning at fertilization rather than “conception,” and declares that “abortion deprives an innocent human being of the inalienable right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”

According to AAFL, the idea is not only to collect enough signatures to get the measure onto the 2018 ballot, but also to encourage legislators to begin putting forward legislation to abolish abortion instead of merely regulating it. Per AAFL: “The Supreme Court cannot make murder legal. Pro-life politicians have passed incremental regulations for decades, but it’s time to abolish abortion by recognizing it for what it is – cold-blooded murder – and prosecuting it accordingly.”

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Posted by: ificouldhietokolob ( )
Date: October 10, 2018 09:59AM

Not that I think abortion is "killing people," but...let's look at this using their own rhetoric:

"The best way to stop women killing people is to kill people!"

Um...what?

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Posted by: saucie ( )
Date: October 10, 2018 11:12AM

Exactly!!!!!

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: October 10, 2018 10:04AM

This is nothing new.
Christians have always wanted to murder women.

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Posted by: Happy_Heretic ( )
Date: October 10, 2018 10:10AM

Could some well-read Christian please cite the biblical passages on "abortion" please? Asking for a friend.

Thanks,

HH =)

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Posted by: Amyjo ( )
Date: October 10, 2018 10:15AM

Then they aren't really Christian, are they?

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: October 10, 2018 10:21AM

They may believe that they are the only true Christians, mimicking the ghawd described in the old testament. You know, the eye for an eye ghawd. These may be retro-christians.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/10/2018 10:22AM by elderolddog.

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: October 10, 2018 10:24AM

I've been waiting for the "no true scotsman" logical fallacy.

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Posted by: hollensnopper ( )
Date: October 10, 2018 10:50AM

OK. Take a deep breath.
The Constitution of the United States proclaims "equal protection under the Law."

So, as I understand it, in the U.S. nobody has the right to demand that another person give/donate/surrender any part of their body EVEN IF the person demanding said body part will die without it, and EVEN IF it is only a pint of blood.

Obviously, a kidney, lobe of liver, bone marrow, etc would be more painful/more of a sacrifice than a pint of blood, but the overall point is: a pregnant woman is required to use her entire body for 9 months to "sustain the life" of another human being while the rest of humanity is not required to give 10 minutes of their time or a single pint of blood if they DON'T WANT TOO, even if the other person will surely die without it.

So if there is really equal protection under the law, the law must surely fall upon the reality that no woman shall be forced to sustain the life of another (the fetus) against her will, even though the fetus cannot sustain its own life.

And I don't think we are ready for a law that demands forfeiting our various body parts against our will. Because we have the DNA tests and the computer driven tracking capabilities to do it, think how you would feel if your DNA turned out to be the perfect match to save your worst enemy's life and you had to surrender your kidney or else be charged with their "murder".

How about if your child's DNA was the perfect match for a political leader who is someone you despise? How about if the person who needed your child's kidney turned out to be a drug addict (from a wealthy family) who had destroyed their own kidneys with their habit?

How about if we just recognize that everyone should be able to say what happens to their own body and women are equal too.

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