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Posted by: Historischer ( )
Date: November 05, 2018 01:45AM

"There's nothing in the temple that would make you feel uncomfortable."

I think it was the temple matron speaking. She seemed gentle enough, and I suppose she was saying exactly what she was supposed to say. People need to be reassured to go inside a temple these days.

I do find it sad that she's supposed to say things like that. The mounting "emphasis on temples" is going to create yet another generation of disillusioned members. Maybe they could use some sort of diluted endowment without the threats from Satan, or a series of rotating films to keep the patrons' interest.

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Posted by: BYU Boner ( )
Date: November 05, 2018 04:24AM

Wow, the temple is like coughing, farting, and wetting the pants simultaneously while standing in a crowded elevator—nothing at all uncomfortable about that.

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Posted by: Dennis Moore nli ( )
Date: November 05, 2018 03:21PM

BYU Boner Wrote:
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> Wow, the temple is like coughing, farting, and
> wetting the pants simultaneously while standing in
> a crowded elevator—nothing at all uncomfortable
> about that.

Hahahahahahahaha. Omfg! You nailed it!

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Posted by: Rubicon ( )
Date: November 11, 2018 09:20PM

Haha! A few of those veil workers smelled like they needed to change their Depends.

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Posted by: slskipper ( )
Date: November 05, 2018 08:02AM

That's because they keep taking out all those things that make people feel uncomfortable. And they will continue to alter the eternal ordinance to make it ever more acceptable to the patrons.

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: November 05, 2018 09:09AM

This is why LD$ Inc will pay you $100.00 to be in one of their "focus groups".

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Posted by: Shinehah ( )
Date: November 05, 2018 09:15AM

The handshakes and etc made me feel uncomfortable and the costume made me feel silly.

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Posted by: Concerned Citizen 2.0 ( )
Date: November 05, 2018 06:59PM

...yeah. When I went thru for the first time, I refused to wear the dumb bakers cap. My chaperone for the event was very concerned I didn't understand the sacred nature of the cap. So I smashed it down, and reshaped it to look like a beret, then put it on. It actually looked quite dapper. My handler was very upset with my performance......

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Posted by: valkyriequeen ( )
Date: November 05, 2018 09:50AM

It was pretty uncomfortable mimicking my own murder/suicide when the penalties were around in the endowment ceremony.

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Posted by: NormaRae ( )
Date: November 05, 2018 10:27AM

If I were to go through the temple for the first time today, I don't think I'd feel all that uncomfortable. Nervous, maybe. Confused for sure. But the things that made me so uncomfortable are gone.

In the 70s, the first thing that happend is they separate you from your escort, who you'd been told would be right by your side the whole time, and take you down to a room with a locker and tell you to get naked and put this little poncho over you. Then you stand in line with a bunch of other poncho-clad girls, trying to hold it sort of closed at the side and go into a little room where two old ladies touch your private parts and put your undies on you. That was uncomfortable.

Then, of course, the really uncomfortable part of pantomiming your own violent demise while saying you would allow your life to be taken via throat slitting, heart being ripped out and disembowling if you reveal the secrets. Then the prayer circle that they ask all the newbies to come into and then tell you to put your veil over your face and chant Pay Lay Ale.

I know they still have the prayer circle but they use English instead of Adamic (such a joke). I don't know if they still tell the women to veil their faces. That made me so angry every time. And yeah, maybe the total nonsense of it makes people uncomfortable. But the temple matron surely went through the old ceremony and in her eyes, as those of us who also did, it's just not that uncomfortable. You know, by comparison. It's just nonsensical is all.

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Posted by: gemini ( )
Date: November 05, 2018 10:28AM

And don't forget the "women will veil their faces". I nearly fainted once when I was in the prayer circle behind that ghastly thing.

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Posted by: moremany ( )
Date: November 05, 2018 12:58PM

Sounds like Jim Jones' 'church'-temple/ lds template.

NOTHING in the temple that would make you/ me feel uncomfortable?
Hearing that is like 10,000 RED FLAGs going up simultaneously. Hmmm

I think of things that make me uncomfortable.
Mormonism comes to mind (and goes to toilet).

Then why not make them OPEN TO THE PUBLIC/ ALL God's children?
Why make it so DIFFIcult to (EXPLAIN it) do 'temple-play'/ "work"?
Why wear weird clothing & keep EVERYTHING about it hidden-secret?
Why have it so wholly unnecessary and unnatural and sacreligious?

Why have primary children take BS "tests" about something they know NOTHING (true) about [temples] and tell them it is a necessary part of their [forced] life and then make it so WEIRD, extremely diffiCULT and improper, funny (and not in a good way) and really fuNcked up, not to mention wholly inhumane, unrealistic, uninteresting, unnecessary, and truly and certainly disrespectful & personally humanly dishonorable?

Nothing weird or complicated or difficult or ridiculous here, or anywhere. Yea right. Whatever. Such 'BS' [back spin]!

M@t

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Posted by: messygoop ( )
Date: November 05, 2018 01:01PM

This is a place that won't let you return to an endowment session if you need to leave to use the restroom. They block you from leaving the room and it is reiterated that you FORFEIT your privilege to return to the session. You have to agree to their condition that you "screwed up" if you need to make an emergency restroom visit.

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Posted by: You Too? ( )
Date: November 05, 2018 02:40PM

Why would they ever think there might be?

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Posted by: ipo ( )
Date: November 05, 2018 06:45PM

Or is she actually saying, "If you feel uncomfortable in the temple then you yourself are making up the problem, it's not the ceremony's fault. Silly you."

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Posted by: pollythinks ( )
Date: November 05, 2018 08:51PM

Ditto to all the responses above.

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Posted by: cristina ( )
Date: November 06, 2018 09:17PM

Nothing uncomfortable at all.

The second time I ever went to the temple in 1984, they brought in a quadriplegic woman in a hospital bed and placed in the aisle on the left of the front row. I think she was receiving her own endowment. The matrons dressed her in the robes and changed the clothing as needed. I do not recall what they did about the death penalties, since she was paralyzed and could not pantomime the death penalties.

It was the most surreal experience of my life. This poor woman, unable to move or breath on her own, was made to believe that this ritual was necessary for her eternal salvation, and probably was motivated to be sealed to family. It blows the mind to think that God created salvation rituals that have physical requirements that many individuals cannot do because of disabilities, advanced age, distance or having died anonymously in the middle of nowhere in a time and place where no one could find you to provide you proxy salvation.

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Posted by: moremany ( )
Date: November 06, 2018 09:46PM

There is nothing in my home that would make me [you] feel uncomfortable [unless the mid-century modern furniture, vinyl upholstery, stained-steal, elaborate native wood carvings, abstract - and unabstractable - art, sharp lines and rounded edges, quaint architecture, deep discussions, rad humor, glamourous simplicity, real hospitality, or anything else, does it].

M@t

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Posted by: Pooped ( )
Date: November 06, 2018 10:29PM

When I went to the temple for the first time it was the costume the men wore that made me look twice. The weird hat with the string hanging down. No one ever did explain that string to me. And some men wore white jumpsuits while others wore shirts and ties. The women looked fairly normal but the men looked pretty ridiculous. Sorry guys.

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Posted by: messygoop ( )
Date: November 06, 2018 11:14PM

The string is very practical. It keeps the hat from blowing away in case of gale strength winds within the walls of the temple. :D

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Posted by: goldrose ( )
Date: November 07, 2018 11:54PM

Just because the temple doesn't make her uncomfortable, it doesn't mean that it won't make other people uncomfortable. I had a good bishop, who was really open about the temple and the ceremony. I personally wasn't freaked out, but I also wouldn't claim that it's not freaky in a way.

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Posted by: Wally Prince ( )
Date: November 08, 2018 12:19AM

obviously means that a lot of people feel uncomfortable in the temple.

"There's nothing in the temple that would make you feel uncomfortable."

Of course that is true if you're the kind of person who likes putting on shower caps, wearing sashes and aprons and standing around in circles with other similarly clad individuals chanting nonsensical words like Pay Lay Ale.

Of course why would repeatedly pretending to be various dead people to do "ordinances" for those dead people make you feel any more uncomfortable than eating donuts with a friend?

Why would learning a bunch of secret-society handshakes purported to be necessary for entering heaven make you feel uncomfortable?

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Posted by: nonsequiter ( )
Date: November 08, 2018 03:48PM

Which church makes their members separate themselves by gender during sermons? One habit I recall from my mormon days is the tendency for mormons to judge and talk about other religions. Of course a favoirte to judge harshly is the JW's, but I recall in an institute class people making fun of an extreme christian church which made women sit on one side and men on the other during church. It wasnt the JW's, but I wanna say Quakers or some pentecostal type church... This was overwhelmingly viewed as a bad thing and us mormons were so glad that we were enlightened enough to not require this from people. After all, shouldn't people worship with their families?

Then cue going in to the temple for the first time and what happens first thing? Men here, women there. Women veil their faces, Men bring their women through the veil. Basically, mormons are hypocrites when it comes to temple practices.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/08/2018 03:49PM by nonsequiter.

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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: November 08, 2018 03:59PM

Hypocrisy is required for the magic to happen! Don't do as other extremists unless it is "sacred."

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: November 08, 2018 04:01PM

Isn't the division of the congregation into priesthood and relief society the same thing? Men go one way, women the other: they can't worship together.

There are also Jewish congregations that divide the men from the women during worship. But in at least one such congregation, the women got angry when a new rabbi arrived and insisted that the gender difference be enforced in more than symbolic ways. They had him fired.

So Mormonism, in my view, stands out as a religion that views gender difference as spiritually significant rather than just a community tradition. In that context the priesthood/relief society distinction strikes me as barbaric.

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Posted by: nonsequiter ( )
Date: November 08, 2018 04:04PM

Somehow I never thought of the RS/PH separation that way on Sundays. But you make a good point!

Personally I always resented having the priesthood forced on me. I never felt comfortable in the Quorums and always wished there was a gender neutral option for the third hour.

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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: November 08, 2018 06:05PM

nonsequiter Wrote:
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> Somehow I never thought of the RS/PH separation
> that way on Sundays. But you make a good point!

Excellent point. Segregation plain and simple.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: November 08, 2018 06:21PM

This was important to me.

I spent years away from Mormonism, living and working in places where gender did not matter. That's the way things functioned in "the world" and everyone was used to it.

When I tried to reintegrate into Mormonism, the separation of the sexes struck me as bizarre. I mean, in today's society who would even consider such a procedure when organizing a new entity?

Yet here the Mormons were, the men pompously heading off to rooms where really important decisions--like who was going to carry whose furniture--were made; and the women heading into a tightly packed room in which various perfumes commingled to produce a gut-wrenching stench.

Atavistic in the extreme.

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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: November 08, 2018 06:25PM

Lot's Wife Wrote:
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> Atavistic in the extreme.

And being reared in this extremity I was inured to the obvious.

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Posted by: Concerned Citizen 2.0 ( )
Date: November 10, 2018 01:12PM

...another hand me down from the Masons. Men in the Temple, pretending, and the women; (Order of the Eastern Star) in the library or sitting room, knitting or reading.

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Posted by: Shinehah ( )
Date: November 08, 2018 07:18PM

I always found it interesting that priesthood meeting was supposed to be so special and yet most instructors hadn't taken the time to do more preparation than maybe reading once through the manual. Whereas the relief society instructor likely spent two weeks preparing and had all kinds of props along with a table cloth,flowers and etc.
What's up with that?

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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: November 09, 2018 12:09PM

Because The Priesthood don't need none of that. They are possessed by The Holy Ghost in their instruction.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/09/2018 12:09PM by Elder Berry.

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Posted by: Mn ( )
Date: November 11, 2018 06:36PM

Not the Quakers. They are as progressive and social-justice motivated as they come. Lumping them with the fundies is like
grouping Mormons and Catholics together.

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Posted by: baura ( )
Date: November 09, 2018 12:38AM

No one would say that unless there was stuff that would make you
uncomfortable. If there's nothing to make you uncomfortable, why
mention it? No one ever says, "there's nothing at the grocery
store that would make you uncomfortable." That's because there's
nothing at the grocery store that would make you uncomfortable.

This is preemptive gas-lighting. They're telling you that when
you start feeling uncomfortable (which you probably will) that
you shouldn't, and it's because something's wrong with you.

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Posted by: moremany ( )
Date: November 09, 2018 02:41AM

There is nothing outside mormonism what should make a member uncomfortable.

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Posted by: cludgie ( )
Date: November 10, 2018 12:33PM

If none of it would be uncomfortable, why even bring it up? Sounds like he's trying to convince himself.

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Posted by: moremany ( )
Date: November 10, 2018 01:38PM

TOTALLY

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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: November 11, 2018 08:47PM

Yeah Right;

Right After they changed the ceremony due to it's weirdness & total, 100% irrelevance to RL, that is.

just sayin'

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: November 12, 2018 02:31AM

When someone would say "lets go to the stake house" I always got hungry.
I was greatly disappointed finding out I wasn't going to get a steak.

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