For some reason, this obit just gives the name and age etc of this person, and doesn't provide details of who he was or what calling he had. This came from the online app of the Provo Daily Herald

https://www.heraldextra.com/lifestyles/announcements/obituaries/death-notices/article_584f9a1d-9783-5ff2-8949-4c39a798dff7.html

He doesn't show up in the online version of the Daily Herald but the website for the funeral home is complete with EVERYTHING he ever did in the church, except for the financial shenanigans he got involved in. And I'm too lazy to see if that's noted online.

http://www.walkersanderson.com/obituary/hartman-rector-jr

His fairly high profile as a GA years ago seems to have been greatly diminished now. Was he involved in something shady as indicated above? Is that why his funeral isn't anything that is being announced by the PR dept?

I used to think he was such a great example of a convert who really made it to the higher levels of leadership.

I'd like to know the "rest of the story".

gemini Wrote:
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> I'd like to know the "rest of the story".

"In 2009, it was discovered that Rector was a victim of a Ponzi scheme, and that his name was being used to attract additional Latter-day Saint investors. The organizers of the Ponzi scheme, Brad Kitchen and Rick Koerber, were both sentenced to prison for securities fraud."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartman_Rector_Jr.

Note: there is considerable debate about whether or not he was a "victim of a Ponzi scheme," or an active participant in creating it. The wikipedia entry skips that entirely.

Here's a slightly different take:

https://www.cityweekly.net/utah/free-capitalist-rick-koerber/Content?oid=2140782

It's also worth noting this gem from Rector:

"If children have a happy family experience they will not want to be homosexuals, which I am sure is an acquired addiction, just as drugs, alcohol, and pornography are."

That was from his 1981 General Conference speech. The church later edited the speech to remove that part -- but not until much later (some things that are true aren't good PR).

Rector was president of the San Diego mission when I was growing up in San Diego. He was a frequent fireside speaker, and showed up at stake conferences regularly. I was mostly neither impressed by him or repelled by him, he seemed awfully bland to me as a teen.



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Checkout the cost of obituaries in newspapers.

The Provo Daily Herald charges are:

Pricing:
$40 Set Up Fee. This includes the online guestbook.
$3.16 per line (18-22 characters per line)
$35 Photo fee
$35 Photo Color Charge (All Obituaries will be placed in color unless otherwise noted. If you wish not to have the obituary in color, Please check “No Color”)
2nd Run 30% off; 3rd Run 50% off.
Laminated Copies: $3.00 (2 Laminated Copies mailed to you)
Additional Options- Put requests in the special instructions
Bolding: 50¢ per word.
2nd Photo: $10
Veteran Flag: $5.
Awareness Icons: $5.

It'll cost over $100 for one with a color picture, about 20 lines of text and set up fees.

The obituary at the funeral home is part of the funeral expenses they charge.

The internet, ebay, craigslist are putting newspapers out of business.

My dad died in 2000, and my sister who had married a guy with money and he left her some, wrote an obituary in the Provo paper that if I recall, 18 years ago, cost about $400. It was LONG.

She volunteered to pay for it and I for one, let her.

your father and your sister both died in 2000??

Not sure where the mistake is, but she's still around, 84 years old now.

She married a guy in the mid 90's, he died 2 days before our dad died. She had money from that guy that she was able to spend on stuff like that.

At this risk of getting off topic, here's an interesting picture showing the cost of funeral etc, for a pretty famous person.

Almost 40 years ago. I guess that the price was inflated because of who he was but not sure.

https://imgur.com/a/vdBM6fW

and remember those obits are now on-line and searchable forever so make sure you write your own and give it to several of your close kin-folks --- you don't want your TBM sister writing an editorial on your failed life as an exmo.

Can't speak to reason behind lack of obits in other papers for Rector Jr.

But obits are EXPENSIVE. At least in my part of the country. $300 for the bare minimum for my mother in the main paper. The funeral home's website was free.

Just guessing here -

If something "shady" was done in his name he was probably too advanced in age to see what was happening 9 years ago.

Of course, I don't know for sure.

People at the "shady" meetings reported Rector being present on numerous occasions, and the fraudster-in-charge pointing him out, having him stand up, and thanking him for having so much faith that he was a principal investor in the "shady" enterprise. The accounts say Rector never objected to this treatment in any way, and appeared to willingly participate.

Did he know the fraudster-in-charge was a con man? Got me. Maybe he was just a "duped" investor. But he sure didn't mind being used to promote the fraud, whether he knew it was one or not.

The first presidency undoubtedly thought it was sad that such a young man died.

They are giving him military rites at the cemetery. And reading of the obituary he did serve in Korea then it's justified. What eggs me is when they give military rites to GA's who haven't ever been in the military. There have been some GAs who have been worshiped who actually just paraded around as heroes who showed up after the war was over for like 2 months, and they are considered heroes (L Tom Perry)? Then there are the occasional Mormon hierarchical members who get military rites when they were civilian employees for a military base (Scott),

That is not a sacrifice, yet the mormons are more than willing to worship in reverence and pretend they are war veterans.

anono this week Wrote:
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> They are giving him military rites at the
> cemetery. And reading of the obituary he did serve
> in Korea then it's justified. What eggs me is when
> they give military rites to GA's who haven't ever
> been in the military. There have been some GAs who
> have been worshiped who actually just paraded
> around as heroes who showed up after the war was
> over for like 2 months, and they are considered
> heroes (L Tom Perry)? Then there are the
> occasional Mormon hierarchical members who get
> military rites when they were civilian employees
> for a military base (Scott),
>
> That is not a sacrifice, yet the mormons are more
> than willing to worship in reverence and pretend
> they are war veterans.

Now THAT is offensive and DISGUSTING.
Signed, someone who has had family members who have served.

When I left for my mission to Brasil, Aug 1968, I spent 5 days in the old mission home in downtown SLC, on north Main Street (I think) then we went on to Provo. IIRC, there were at least 300 elders/sisters that week. And it was LONG before the days of the training center in Provo.

We had been told that we would get set apart that week by a general authority and we could invite our family to witness it. My mom was so excited and was sure that I would be set apart by one of the really important GA's. She drove from Sandy. We walked down the block and through the underground garage and noticed all the GA’s names on the parking spaces, with their Buick Electras, Chrysler New Yorkers, and a couple of Lincolns and others. I was and still am a car geek, so it was important to know that kind of stuff.

I did notice that there was a VW Beetle parked in space marked David O McKay. I heard later that the car belonged to Clare Middlemiss, his faithful secretary (to others as well.) I’m not sure how I knew that.

Of course, it turned out that it was Hartman J. Rector's turn that day and he set apart about 15 elders that afternoon, probably more in the morning group. Mom was still impressed even though he'd only been a GA for a few months.

All the while I was gone, she would send me letters with clippings about him.

Rod Meldrum lost a supporter with this death.

Thanks for that information. I have heard about the Ponzi scheme guys and somewhat followed the legal aspects of it. But, I had no idea that Rector was part of it in any way.

His crack about homosexuality being an acquired addiction was jarring. Obviously, he knew nothing about it. AT. ALL.

Oh, look, Heartless Rectum Jr. died.

I have some interesting memories regarding Hartman. The first one is from circa 1966 when he was a new GA, I think, not sure of the time line. I was living in Florida and some one in priesthood meeting was talking about Harmon Killebrew and called him Hartman Killebrew. Kinda funny. Then in high school in Virginia, our early morning seminary teacher had been backyard neighbors with Hartman and that was how teacher was converted. We heard lots of stories about Hartman, like how he told teacher that the strawberries he was planting on the sabbath would die. Well, they did die, and the rest is history. Story from the mission field, Hartman was speaking at the MTC and was introduced as Elder Hartman Rectum. Always a good missionary laugh at that one. Back to seminary teacher, he seemed to ride the coat-tails of being a close friend of Hartman, at least in his own mind. Teacher was a real estate agent, good salesman so-to-speak and was a top notch stake missionary, baptizing something like 147 people. He eventually parlayed his exploits into a mission president assignment likely in good part because he knew Hartman. Teacher's son would visit Hartman's office or home in Salt Lake and ask him for general conference tickets. I guess it's calling networking or something. Once I went with him to Hartman's home, where he was in his study trying to fix a cuckoo clock. We were talking about missions and I told him I had gone to the Philippines. He asked if I had been back since. I said no. He said, well they always return to the scene of the crime. This is when I knew he was a true profit because I had grievously sinned while there, and how the heck would he have know about that.
Anyway, one of Hartman's sons, Daniel I think, was a nice kid that I met at college. He passed away at an early age, 40's I think. That was sad.

robinsaintcloud Wrote:
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> Anyway, one of Hartman's sons...

Once upon a time I tried making out with his daughter Linda Rector, in my mother's car, in the church parking lot, after MIA. It didn't go well.

The Rectors were in our ward back east before he was a GA. He was my early-morning seminary teacher one year. He was very charismatic and everyone adored and admired him.

I remember him as seeming a lot more intelligent and thoughtful than other GAs, and his talk didn't make me feel like a guilty piece of s__t. He seemed to have taken his early christian teachings to heart at the time I heard him. Also he started as a Navy pilot during WWII, same age as my dad, and got called back to active duty for Korea. Most of the big wig GAs avoided serving in WWII, korea or Vietnam or serving on missions - go figure.

Am I the only one who thought this guy died a long time ago?

Mandela effect...whoa!