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Posted by: azsteve ( )
Date: November 30, 2018 06:03AM

Here is the article (link below). Leah's statement about the mormons is the last sentence of the article.

https://nypost.com/2018/11/28/leah-remini-church-of-scientologys-retaliation-has-been-insanity/

Has anyone here on this board contacted Leah or A&E yet?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/30/2018 07:01AM by azsteve.

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Posted by: Dennis Moore nli ( )
Date: November 30, 2018 08:42AM

Oh goody! I'll pop the popcorn and get the diet Mt. Dew ready!

Its about freakin' time! :)

-Dennis

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Posted by: mrtranquility ( )
Date: November 30, 2018 10:39AM

I'm intrigued by the way she and A&E have spotlighted cults for an audience who wouldn't otherwise have it on their radar screen. I think both Scientology and JW orgs edge out LDS, Inc. on the cultiness index (although they're probably no match for early Mormonism!), and my heart really goes out to their ex-members.

If they do enough coverage of various orgs perhaps the general population will begin to connect the dots. It's so difficult to understand the dynamic unless you've experienced it firsthand, but A&E has certainly brought it to a larger audience.



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Posted by: cl2 ( )
Date: November 30, 2018 11:12AM

Her series on Scientology was mind blowing. I've been hoping she'd do more.

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Posted by: Heartless ( )
Date: November 30, 2018 03:08PM

Is she targeting Brighamites or Fundamentalists Polygamists?

If she's targeting Brighamites I hope she focuses a show on child sex interviews.

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Posted by: SpongeBob SquareGarments ( )
Date: November 30, 2018 03:56PM

She should read this essay comparing Mormonism with Scientology:

http://www.mormonthink.com/glossary/scientology.htm



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Posted by: Jimbo ( )
Date: November 30, 2018 04:34PM

I doubt annoying neighbors bringing cookies and saying stupid shit like "We miss yer awesome amazzzzzzing family" would not be as interesting as David Miscavige beating the crap out of subordinates . Maybe if Russ has Wendy go missing for years Leah might have a show . mormonism is very small potatoes compared to the absolute crimes and horrific things that go on in Scientolgy

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Posted by: midwestanon ( )
Date: November 30, 2018 06:36PM

I know it’s not a popular opinion here, but to a certain extent I agree. The JW’s and scientologists are... ‘cultier’.

As a former Mormon I feel entitled to the opinion.

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Posted by: smirkorama ( )
Date: November 30, 2018 08:03PM

No doubt that the plate of cookies thing is an aspect of MORmONISM.

However, there is much more (cultishness) to MORmONISM than that.

There is the MORmON deal of their MORmON temple ceremony. Maybe you have heard of it.

The MORmON temple ceremony is much more creepy than offerings of plates of cookies with ulterior motives .....but there you are, keying in on the plate of cookies thing as you also talk about MORmONISM'S supposed last place in the cult derby with Scientoloogy and the JWs.


You are very heavily DISCOUNTING a very creepy and very cult like aspect of MORmONISM when you make mention of the "plate of cookies"deals as you also then forgo any mention of the ultra creepy ultra cultish MORmON temple worship.

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Posted by: Jimbo ( )
Date: November 30, 2018 10:47PM

I was not trying to minimize the cultish practices of mormonism . just a comparison of what happens when people leave . Scientology had basically locked people up to prevent this . Scientology has people follow you around and threatens legal action. I very much doubt as big of jerkoffs as say Bednar and Oaks are I seriously doubt they have beat up any subordinate like David Miscavaige. When I left nobody really bothered me . the missionaries and a couple of guys from the ward have come by I tell them my views we say have a good day and they leave . I don't think Ms Rahimi's show would be as shocking if she covered Mormons

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Posted by: smirkorama ( )
Date: December 01, 2018 12:55AM

Jimbo Wrote:
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> I was not trying to minimize the cultish practices
> of mormonism . just a comparison of what happens
> when people leave . Scientology had basically
> locked people up to prevent this . Scientology has
> people follow you around and threatens legal
> action. I very much doubt as big of jerkoffs as
> say Bednar and Oaks are I seriously doubt they
> have beat up any subordinate

They do NOT have to. Those ASSpostHOLES have other people /MORmON @$$ holes that do that kind of stuff for them, like my MORmON enforcement agent male parent, who could kick ass on little kids as if he was a professional.

The one huge mistake that my male parent did make was that he worked me so hard while I was growing up to help subsidize his paying his MORmON cult country club dues that by the time I was in my mid teens I was physically substantial enough that his routine beatings of me became in effective and a real chore for him more than anything else.

> like David
> Miscavaige.




> When I left nobody really bothered me

well lucky lucky you! Awesome!!! how nice for you !!!! that is how it must be for everyone then!!!! no body bothered me either!!! well, except for the rabid death threats, and attempted beatings, and other stuff that I am not going to go into.



> the missionaries and a couple of guys from the
> ward have come by I tell them my views we say
> have a good day and they leave . I don't think Ms
> Rahimi's show would be as shocking if she covered
> Mormons

I would not be .....as long as they make sure to filter out and skip stuff like Ron and Dan Lafferty, the death threats in the MORmON temple ceremony, the Pace report, the LD$ Inc financed Olympic bid bribery scandal, Joe Bishop using his leadership station at the MTC to review member files to select prime susceptible candidates for rape and molestation then carried out in basement maintenance access ways of the MTC ... on and on

Yah, IF all of the creepy things of MORmONISM are ignored, then MORmONISM starts to look pretty good compared to other creepy cults.

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Posted by: Jimbo ( )
Date: December 01, 2018 08:05AM

Was your father an abusive controlling psychopath because of Mormonism or was or was he just by nature an abusive controlling psychopath and would have been one no matter his religion .Some people are just plain mean nasty and abusive

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Posted by: smirkorama ( )
Date: December 02, 2018 06:08AM

To be perfectly clear /forthcoming on the matter, for obvious reasons, I was NOT acquainted with my male parent in his younger formative years. So, I ONLY new him as a raging MORmON @$$hole. My never member aunt, his older sister, insists that he was fairly normal growing up. My non member grandparents were great people, wonderful people. My male parent was a convert.

Since you are asking me, my qualified opinion after duly attempting and applying some research to the subject /matter is that attempting to be a good MORmON member bitterly cankered the soul of my male parent who should /might have otherwise been a fairly decent person given the disposition of his parents and siblings who are fairly well with out guile.

It seems to me that my male parent ended up in contest to out good (MORmON) member his father in law ( my maternal grandfather) and my female parent's many devout TBM siblings, who are quite manipulative and vicious in their own MORmON way. That contest was a hopeless ongoing loser for a convert like my male parent, who entered that contest as a convert = designate loser and who remained a designate loser in other BIC member's eyes. That process ruined what might have otherwise been a decent person.

IF MORmONS really do want converts it is only so that they have some one to be better than !!!!! and the leaders will collect their tithing!!!

So much for the MORmON claim that the influence of MORmONISM makes people better. That could NEVER be proven by my (family) experiences!!! I would rather NOT be around any of my MORmON Family members.

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Posted by: slskipper ( )
Date: November 30, 2018 09:28PM

The highest goal of a cult is to control its members. The highest goal of Mormonism is to attain the highest return on its investments.

I know that the two are not mutually exclusive. I know that cultiness level varies from member to member. But the elephant in the room is the absolute refusal of the church to open its financial records. That is what Leah Remini ought to investigate.

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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: November 30, 2018 11:32PM

I thought she did a really good job with the Jehovah's Witnesses. The stories that former members told about how they have been shunned by their parents and children were heartbreaking. It's one thing to know about shunning in the abstract, but to see real people on camera whose lives have been devastated by loss of family contact and support was eye-opening. Do you know what really struck me? How NORMAL these people are. They could be your friends, or associates, or family members -- just nice normal folks whose families have turned their backs on them because they left a particular church.

I think she would find a lot of material with Mormonism -- the invasive youth interviews, the intense indoctrination, the expectation of the mission with often abusive treatment and one's passport being held hostage, parents being excluded from weddings, lack of financial transparency, the hounding of inactives, mistreatment of LGBTQ individuals, and so on. Put a bright spotlight on those dark corners!

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Posted by: azsteve ( )
Date: December 01, 2018 07:17AM

Mormonism has caused more wide-spread damage than scientology or Jehovas Witnesses ever will cause. Mormonism has cast a much wider net, has worked it's way further in to the mainstream, and has been and is poised to lock-in many more people and to gain much more overall acceptance from society than those other two religions have. Meanwhile they promote interests that are not for the good of society. At best, the mormon church is a dystopian social experiment. Mormonism turns normal people in to sociopaths, and community leaders in to community leaders with a secret agenda with secret loyalties. In their quest to obtain their own personal goodhood, they lose their christianity and their decency. The mormon corporation is a greedy taskmaster that is never satisfied. They extract more goodness from society and replace it with more evil, more than Scientology and Jehovas Witnesses combined. It's not necessary to hold someone prisoner physically, when you adequately enslave their minds. There is no need to inflict physical beatings when you routinely beat them psychologically, and they show-up for their psychological beatings routinely. A&E could make a bloody fortune if they adequately and accurately portrayed the nightmare that is Mormonism. Hell, even the new President of the church doesn't want to wear that God-forsaken label now. There is a reason for that.

The internet has caught the church with its pants down during a rare nexus. The church leaders blew it and they know it. Next, the church will morph in to something different and claim they never did nor believed the things they did do and did believe (they're already doing it now). The window to expose them is narrow now. In another half-generation, there will be no one left who were subjected to the temple blood-oaths/death-threats to go on TV and to describe what having your church threatening to cut your throat open from ear to ear feels like.

Anyone who claims that mormon society is not all that bad has either not been fully exposed to it, or they have become desensitized to it. This de-sensituzation is just another side of the dysfunction. The most dangerous drugs are the ones that make you feel good before they kill you. Also, an effective parasite won't usually kill its host. It would rather feed of of you for the rest of its life.



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Posted by: smirkorama ( )
Date: December 02, 2018 06:29AM

azsteve Wrote:
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> Mormonism has caused more wide-spread damage than
> scientology or Jehovas Witnesses ever will cause.

Excellent point !!!!

> Mormonism has cast a much wider net, has worked
> it's way further in to the mainstream, and has
> been and is poised to lock-in many more people and
> to gain much more overall acceptance from society
> than those other two religions have. Meanwhile
> they promote interests that are not for the good
> of society. At best, the mormon church is a
> dystopian social experiment. Mormonism turns
> normal people in to sociopaths,

that has been my observation, see my posts in this thread if you get a chance

> and community
> leaders in to community leaders with a secret
> agenda with secret loyalties. In their quest to
> obtain their own personal goodhood, they lose
> their christianity and their decency. The mormon
> corporation

The MOReMONey corporation that is .....

> is a greedy taskmaster that is never
> satisfied.

You got that right!

> They extract more goodness from society
> and replace it with more evil, more than
> Scientology and Jehovas Witnesses combined.

I am compelled to think that you are correct on that count.

> It's
> not necessary to hold someone prisoner physically,
> when you adequately enslave their minds. There is
> no need to inflict physical beatings when you
> routinely beat them psychologically, and they
> show-up for their psychological beatings
> routinely.

A concept that the brutality based Roman Empire realized 2000 years ago when they then transitioned into THE (Roman) Catholic Church (The REAL second coming) to reinvent itself to further
capitalize on human frailty, to become more wealthy and successful than ever

> A&E could make a bloody fortune if they
> adequately and accurately portrayed the nightmare
> that is Mormonism. Hell, even the new President of
> the church doesn't want to wear that God-forsaken
> label now. There is a reason for that.

LOL

> The internet has caught the church with its pants
> down during a rare nexus. The church leaders blew
> it and they know it. Next, the church will morph
> in to something different and claim they never did
> nor believed the things they did do and did
> believe (they're already doing it now). The window
> to expose them is narrow now. In another
> half-generation, there will be no one left who
> were subjected to the temple
> blood-oaths/death-threats to go on TV and to
> describe what having your church threatening to
> cut your throat open from ear to ear feels like.

Another excellent point !



> Anyone who claims that mormon society is not all
> that bad has either not been fully exposed to it,
> or they have become desensitized to it. This
> de-sensituzation is just another side of the
> dysfunction. The most dangerous drugs are the ones
> that make you feel good before they kill you.
> Also, an effective parasite won't usually kill its
> host. It would rather feed of of you for the rest
> of its life.

More excellent points!!! thanks for providing that commentary!

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Posted by: cftexan ( )
Date: December 01, 2018 08:15AM

It comes down to entertainment value of atrocities. As much as her show is to bring to light nastiness of Scientology, its also for entertainment and shock value. I don't think a story on mormons would really have enough of that.

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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: December 01, 2018 10:02AM

Shock value would not be difficult to generate. Photograph a parent sitting on a bench outside of the temple while his/her son or daughter is being married inside. Get a quote from an exmo about how a non-temple marriage was deemed, "not a real marriage" by TBMs. To nevermos, that's a lot of shock value right there. Most nevermos would find that appalling.

Add on some evidence of invasive youth interviews by bishops, and that's plenty of material right there. The rest would be a bonus.

Exactly how well would it go down to have a bishop on tape asking a 12-year old if the child masturbates, and then explaining to the confused child what masturbation is?

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Posted by: azsteve ( )
Date: December 01, 2018 10:56AM

I went through the pre-1990 endowment ceremony before going on a mission. I was never married in the temple. I've heard that in temple marriages, it's more like both people are getting married to the church, more-so than to eachother. It wouldn't be so bad for a TV show to cover how Mormonism screws up real intimacy in marriages and in the dating world. The whole brother/sister dynamic, and talking with your church leaders about what you do in the privacy of your own marriage sexually, is over-the-top in-appropriate, even for adults. I choose who I call a brother or a sister, and my sex life is none of their business. Mormonism teaches no boundaries and ultimately, no real ethics. Too many people, even after leaving the church, don't see a problem with that.

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Posted by: smirkorama ( )
Date: December 02, 2018 07:03AM

cftexan Wrote:
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> It comes down to entertainment value of
> atrocities. As much as her show is to bring to
> light nastiness of Scientology, its also for
> entertainment and shock value. I don't think a
> story on mormons would really have enough of that.

Yah! In order for MORmONISM to ever top Scientology in terms of creepiness and spectacle and attention grabbing it would take something outlandish and outrageous, and all of MORmONISM's outrageous ness is in the past !!!!

It would take something more current. Something like a trusted and revered church leader called by revelation more currently abusing power to exploit the vulnerable ......something like a church leader more recently (than the old days of common open MORmON polygamy) going through member files to screen out previous victims of sexual abuse that would likely be susceptible to further sexual abuse, and then carrying out PREMEDITATED sexual abuse on victims who had been selected ......taking the selected victims down into some creepy molestation chamber that had been prepared ...... complete with a planted bed and porno videos that no one would ever guess was there because the building was supposedly consecrated to holy purposes ...... a molestation chamber accessed through some maintenance tunnels in a large MORmON church owned building ......like the MTC ...... I mean NOTHING like THAT could /would ever happen in the current MORmON church !!!!!! (Joseph Bishop)

You start up with stuff like that and then you would have to have a story where some MORmONS went MORmON fundamentalist and then had a revelation from MORmON Jesus to murder their sister in law ......according to MORmON temple penalties ......and her baby, their 14 month old niece!!!! in order to keep the ball rolling to ever compete with Scientology and or JWs on the creepy scale, and MORmONISM has NEVER EVER produced anything anywhere near that creepy.

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Posted by: azsteve ( )
Date: December 01, 2018 08:45AM

How shocked would people be to see descriptions of the pre-1990 endowment ceremony exposed on TV, and then to find out that several people they know have taken part in that? If no one else, everyone knows who Donny and Marie Osmond and Mitt Romney are. Also, there are probably a greater number of osctracised family members of people in Mormonism than there are in Scientology and Johovas Witnesses combined (fortunately I am not one of them). If they need someone to show up on stage and shed some real tears while telling their stories of what Mormonism has done to their families and their lives, that won't be difficult to find. If they want to find some gay or black mormons who have been beat-up and/or ostracised by other church members, they won't have much difficulty finding those people either. Then there are the suicide statistics and scathing quotes from current and past mormon church leaders which will support what has happened to those people. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that mormon suicides outnumber those other two cults combined, by a longshot. So the report on Mormonism will be just as bad as reports on the Scientologists and the Jehovas Witnesses. It'll actually be worse because most Americans already know that Scientology and the Johovas Witnesses are cults. For most Americans, the jury is still out on the mormons. People just need to stop minimizing and justifying the evils of their own clan, to feel when there is real pain caused by their church, and spill the beans properly when the opportunity is available. The other guy's dirty laundry always looks scarier than your own.



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Posted by: ihatecasseroles ( )
Date: December 01, 2018 08:48PM

I think this is a great idea, and I think there are plenty of shock-value stories out there. TSCC is much bigger than Scientology--only 40,000 devout Scientologist to maybe 5 million active Mormons worldwide. I was surprised they made a show about Scientology, since it affects so few people globally.

Studied from a psychological perspective, the mental self torture and the stories of suicide, depression and suppression of abuse, the gender and racial inequality--it would be more than adequate content for a show like Leah Remini's.

TSCC is a billion-dollar business masquerading as a religion to fleece it's members for capital and avoid taxation. If that's not just like Scientology I don't know what is.

And how much do we really know about the GAs? Has anyone actually investigated them? There could be a whole slew of David Miscaviges out there, just sayin'.

Something like Aftermath would blow the lid off of Mormonism, and at such a crucial time, with people already leaving in droves. It might not reach the TBMs, but it would definitely prevent people from joining. I'm all for it!



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Posted by: TheRealChris ( )
Date: December 01, 2018 08:56PM

Hi, I know this isn't about this but it is the most recent post I found. I have just realized that the church is a hoax but it has devastated me. What have you all done to help with the transition? Are there good books or articles or just anything. I have been watching youtube videos but they all just talk about the bad things and not how to move on. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!

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Posted by: SpongeBob SquareGarments ( )
Date: December 05, 2018 01:45PM

TheRealChris Wrote:
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> Hi, I know this isn't about this but it is the
> most recent post I found. I have just realized
> that the church is a hoax but it has devastated
> me. What have you all done to help with the
> transition? Are there good books or articles or
> just anything. I have been watching youtube
> videos but they all just talk about the bad things
> and not how to move on. Any information would be
> greatly appreciated. Thank you!

There's some resources listed here to help you. http://www.mormonthink.com/endpage.htm

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Posted by: Adamj717 ( )
Date: December 06, 2018 12:12AM

I may get television again if this happens. This would be worth the monthly rate to see this.

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