What were you told? What would it be?

the blood moon ....which has NEVER happened before !!!

put you on higher alert. But I think the general idea was that if you were a righteous person (paying, praying, obeying and with your attention glued to the "Prophet") you would know when the time came. But everyone "knew" that the time would come. It was frequently mentioned.

Since the turn of the millennium, they almost never mention it anymore. And the few who ever do mention it are the really old, old-timers. Nobody wants to move to Missouri from Utah now. Nobody can even imagine Missouri being a better place to move to. Fewer and fewer people take any of those old-time prophecies seriously in any case.

James Talmage (an apostle) gave a talk sometime around 1911 and prophesied that there were people in the audience who would live to see Jesus return. I guess if there was an infant in the audience at that time, maybe there is a slim chance of that prophecy coming to pass. But if I had to place a bet, I'd bet that nobody who was in that audience is still alive. Toss that into the dumpster with all the other failed prophecies.

When the church was young and new, the scammers and frauds who were making bank as leaders could generate excitement with predictions and prophecies, usually conveniently timed many decades down the road to avoid obvious and immediate complications. But now that the church is as old as it is, those old-time prophecies are an embarrassment and they have to be studiously ignored.

I was born in the 60's and I was told that the resurrection would happen in my lifetime.

I know a guy from Utah who served a mission in Jackson County Missouri. He says they never invited investigators to church on Fast Sunday because inevitably there would be some crazy dude from Utah bearing their testimony that they had received the Secret Signal.

That is so true. The craziest of the crazy TBM's found their way to this city. There this one dude that they made a stake leader, who often would stand in his tearful Utah draw, "I was commanded by an angel to come here w/o purse, nor script, and waited for the hand of the Lord to tell me which way to go." The Utah transplants would band together in a click (and you can imagine how holy these folks felt they were), and they say things in testimony, "how wicked the saint's are here, and how it was needful that the Lord would send us to help."

All I can say, having experienced this for 40 years, is that this cult producers some of the craziest deluded Mother F'ers in the world.

We're transplants here and I've never seen this.

"The Utah transplants would band together in a click (and you can imagine how holy these folks felt they were), and they say things in testimony, "how wicked the saint's are here, and how it was needful that the Lord would send us to help."

Well, I mean, I am not lying about it. I heard this type of dialogue multiple times over the course of 40 years, and I know that there were Utah transplants, which I could name the families if I wanted, who formed clicks of superiority and sort of banded together. Is that hard to believe? They are of the same fanatical mindset and some were related. I know that you are not a transplant who has lived in Independence MO area, so I am sort of wondering why you challenged this at all? Is it possible that your experience has been different than my own?

Joined in 1979...a Kansas convert and I was taught that be too!!!! Yes they did teach it!

Yes, my husband is correct. He and I both grew up in the center stake of Zion. While you may have not have seen this in Utah or on the KS side - you were not in Independence like we have both been all these years. I too, have also heard/"seen" this type of communication at various times. It may have been a relief society meeting where the male leadership was visiting - and yeah they would often refer to these angelic experiences, how sinful Jackson is, and how they were called to bolster the saints in Zion (between the lines we weren't doing a good enough job..lol). I think my husband said "saints" when he meant "people in this area" - although these hard core "UT transplants" did make us local feel very small, with their Molly Mormon / holier than thou attitudes and testimony's. I will have a few of my adult children (now non-members) chime in here also, because they are coming over for a dinner this evening. They'll also verify what we are saying. We've read many of your anecdotal experiences over the last 10 years Elder Berry, and never once have we ever challenged you on your personal experiences (and there have been many that you've shared on a weekly basis). If you want to find some crazy UT transplant Mormons. You're a self admitted "transplant" so you didn't even grow up here - like we did. I doubt OverlandPark, Leawood, Mission Hills, Praire Village - on the KS side has that many crazy transplant Mormons. I remember standing in the parking lot of my ward building in Indep on several occasions, when a car from UT would drive up, family in tow, husband rolls down the window and asks if this is the Indep MO, and then bears his testimony about how he and his family were inspired to move here. Some stay if they can find jobs, but many move back when they just can't make it. Happens all the time EB.

We also confirm that there are some very fanatical transplants in this area. Growing up as youth, we remember statements from talks, meetings, etc from certain people from Utah that would be off putting to say the least. We're talking about a cult that teaches people that they can become literal God's in the hereafter. While there may be most in Utah that take this in stride, there are others who become fanatical about it. If you can leave you extended family, friend, roots, etc and go because an angel or dream told you to go - well you nucking futz. It's that hard to believe that these folks would get up in a meeting and spout off this dribble. So your experience is different..oh well.

I never heard about a secret signal. I thought the "prophet" would give a general announcement.

But I guess a secret signal goes along with secret signs and tokens. Oops, I'm sorry, that should be "sacred." The sacred signal.

He can't give a signal because he doesn't know anything!

And it was always understood that we would walk to Missouri - that whatever calamity that had befallen the country would eliminate speedier forms of transportation. Even bicycles I guess.

A couple families from one ward I lived in moved to Missouri in the 1980s. I guess they wanted to beat the rush. And not have to walk.

I doubt Nelson will tell us when it is time to return to Jackson County. I am banking on julie Rowe.

The secret signal from the prophet is "Let's go RV-ing!"

Monson almost got it right.

My TBM bro still owns a house there in anticipation of the 2nd coming.

The so-called prophet (with Wendi of course) will head to the street, start walking, and will sing loudly and strongly and proudly, "Come, Come Ye Saints" which is the signal for all TBM's to start walking and singing loudly and strongly and proudly, "Come, Come Ye Saints, We're off to Missouri!"

They will make it as far as Heber City, stop to rest, when a doubter in their midst will stand and loudly and strongly and proudly say, "Trekking to Missouri is a veeeery long trek. You will have to walk, and walk, and walk, and walk some more, you know, like those poor pioneer children and I guarantee there will not be much singing along with the walking. You know the drill from those pioneer stories - blisters, sore backs, hunger, rattlesnakes and ravenous wolves. Any one want to head back home with me?"

It was then joyous, happy, delightful singing belted far and wide from those saints who were now heading (at a fast clip) to their cozy comforters, fav shows, porn, and pizza.



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As a teenager I worried about walking back to Missouri, and when my folks gave me a cedar chest (hope chest) I worried about how I was going to get it back there.

In the late 70s there was a guy in our beautiful CA town who decided to go back to Missouri and buy up as much land as he could to sell to the latecomers. He persuaded some local Mo's to go with him. Wish I could remember his name. Larry something. Never heard how that turned out.

The signal gets flashed in the clouds like the bat signal, but it's the bat-shit crazy signal. Only the most devout and/or delusional can see it. It looks like a ripped horn player, with the horn pointing toward Missouri. But instead of horn music, they hear sleep inducing hymns.

I hope it happens. If the delusional start leaving Utah, I would consider moving back.

I do not remember a secret sign, but I do remember being told to pay attention to conference because at any time the prophet could tell people to go to Missouri. Those who did not watch would not be told and would be left behind. I believed that for years. Finally I realized if a bunch of people were packing and leaving for the same place it would be obvious.

Yes, in the early 1970s, that's what I was told: watch the Conference, that's where they'll issue the signal.

What no one ever explained is, after whatever destruction happened that meant we'd have to walk, why would there still be television?

blacksheep1 Wrote:
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> Yes, in the early 1970s, that's what I was told:
> watch the Conference, that's where they'll issue
> the signal.
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> What no one ever explained is, after whatever
> destruction happened that meant we'd have to walk,
> why would there still be television?

They were going to beam the signal (drum roll, please)
-through the Holy Ghost. :D D D

The secret signal is when a GA's brother-in-law starts buying up land, with the intention of selling it to members when the profit gives the official announcement.
Joseph would have wanted it that way.

Oh man! You beat me to it. I was going to say that when TSCC buys up swaths of land to develop, then it's time to return. Maybe they're waiting until after they sell all the parcels down in Florida.

Nothing secret about it. 200,000+ people traveling en masse across the Great Plains with their cattle will be hard to miss.

Joseph F. Smith, December 3, 1882, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 24, pp. 156-57:

"When God leads the people back to Jackson County, how will he do it? Let me picture to you how some of us may be gathered and led to Jackson County. I think I see two or three hundred thousand people wending their way across the great plain enduring the nameless hardships of the journey, herding and guarding their cattle by day and by night, and defending themselves and little ones from foes on the right hand and on the left, as when they came here. They will find the journey back to Jackson County will be as real as when they came out here. Now, mark it. And though you may be led by the power of God 'with a stretched out arm,' it will not be more manifest than the leading the people out here to those that participate in it.

"They will think there are a great many hardships to endure in this manifestation of the power of God, and it will be left, perhaps to their children to see the glory of their deliverance, just as it is left for us to see the glory of our former deliverance from the hands of those that sought to destroy us. This is one way to look at it. It is certainly a practical view. Some might ask, what will become of the railroads? I fear that the sifting process would be insufficient were we to travel by railroads. We are apt to overlook the manifestations of the power of God to us because we are participators in them, and regard them as commonplace events. But when it is written in history – as it will be written – it will be shown forth to future generations as one of the most marvelous, unexampled and unprecedented accomplishments that has ever been known to history."

My crazy TBM cousin was probably one of those testimony-bearers that Independence MO describes. The giveaway was "...without purse." He had no money and 11 children. Was he thinking that his new ward would support them all? I assume no one in that Utah clique had much "purse."

My cousin had been unemployed almost his whole life, and had no job to leave, and his wife left her job as a teacher's assistant. His 17-21 year old daughters had to work at night, as waitresses and office-cleaners in Kansas City. One was raped. The family couldn't survive there, so they came back to Utah, where the girls married rich men, and one of the boys married our Stake President's daughter. LOL. I think they're living in the SP's basement. It serves him right for physically bullying my kids, and lawyering my neighbor's ex-husband out paying rightful child support.

Anyway, the Jackson County rumors started before I was born. In those days we thought the "secret signal" would be in the form of a mass miracle, but that was before the invention of the i-phone and twitter.

I was told, as a convert, that the prophet would receive a secret visit from Jesus before the great migration began. This secret visit would take place at Adam-on-di-Oman where the earthly prophet would give the keys of the kingdom back to Jesus as the rightful head of the church, country, world. Next, the Mormons would be clued in on the secret and they would get to Missouri, where Jesus was waiting, any way possible. Then Missouri would be turned back into the Garden of Eden and everyone would want to go there but the Mormons would already be there.

"...Everyone would want to go there but the Mormons would already be there." They would already have bought up and subdivided up all the property, elected a mayor, city council, and judges, and constructed several McTemples, plus a huge City Creek II mall. And a Marriott. It's the Mormon Dream!

The only difference between that and their CK is that polygamy will be allowed in the CK.

It's like this ...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_Lot

Please, would somebody just give "the signal" so that all these TBMs would leave!

I assume they're waiting for a remake of "Meet Me in St. Louis".

Or, better yet, a sequel: "Meet Me in St. Louis...Again"



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One morning, mormons across America will wake up and find that the cars in their driveway's have been miraculously transfigured into hand carts made of green, uncured wood. That's the signal to pack it up and start walking. If god can change lamanaite DNA, he change cars into handcarts....obviously!

why would anyone walk across the country when we have cars these days? that alone is enough to confuse me but then again, what do i know?

I remember that growing up one family in the ward had hidey-holes all across the country from CA to MO. They were filled with gasoline and other provisions. Weird.

(anono this week)
I'm thinking they have given up on the idea of heading back to Missouri. Below is an article about how the church is trying to get rid of much of it's land acquisitions. Environmental impact of mega cities isn't a concern apparently. But cramming in lots of people is desirable. Preparing for the future 'abomination of desolation's' is not the vogue thing to be concerned about anymore.

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2017/jan/30/from-book-to-boom-how-the-mormons-plan-a-city-for-500000-in-florida

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> (anono this week)
> I'm thinking they have given up on the idea of
> heading back to Missouri. Below is an article
> about how the church is trying to get rid of much
> of it's land acquisitions. Environmental impact of
> mega cities isn't a concern apparently. But
> cramming in lots of people is desirable. Preparing
> for the future 'abomination of desolation's' is
> not the vogue thing to be concerned about anymore.
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> https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2017/jan/30/fro
> m-book-to-boom-how-the-mormons-plan-a-city-for-500
> 000-in-florida

The church has already built a temple in Kansas, City across the river from Independence just west of Liberty. It's no mini temple either. It's a larger one and quite ugly. Anyways I think they have given up on the whole temple site thing. Sure they have a visitor's center there with nothing in it. They have a visitor's center where the Liberty Jail used to be.

I think the church is more interested in being an international Christian church than focusing the early church and the migration west. That was a pet interest of Gordon B Hinckley who put a lot of money into sprucing up church historical sites and even building a temple in Nauvoo.

Right now I think the church is more concerned with retaining it's members and keeping the tithing money coming in. They seem to think getting the young people on missions and into singles wards and building temples is what keeps it going.

First I have never lived in Missouri or Utah but I heard growing up in the church that the signal was when they start building the temple at the temple lot in Missouri.

I think the "return to Missouri" was originally just an escape valve to deal with dissent and later just another psychological distraction like food storage.

BUT if they still plan on doing it, I'll just keep tabs on my daughter and go with her. ha ha ha ha Not like it is ever going to happen. She'd probably go to Alaska first. I don't think she knows anything about Missouri since she wasn't brought up mormon from age 8 up.

It will be given in the House of Handshakes with strict instructions (and a throat-slitting penalty) not to tell anyone outside the temple.

Had to work that day, or you were in the hospital, etc?

tough!

I have a true blue mormon relative who was a church employee in illinois and he told me that the so-called church bought tracts of land in illinois and Missouri and laid them out for housing installed utilities etc
Housing for the saints returning to the true Zion again

I never saw this, just the murmurs of another kooky mormon I suppose

Who else planned to ride their bike instead of walking to MO?

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Whenever I heard these lessons, I reckoned myself to stay behind. The idea of walking behind hundreds of cranky members was not very appealing. Especially, the loonies in my ward.

Don't worry folks. Russ Nelson will have a dream and put it down in the notebook. But he'll downgrade the importance of the vision and instead convince himself that it was about reorganizing a meeting schedule. Whoops!

You still needn't worry. The prophet will never lead you astray, because wherever he leads is not astray.

And Wendy will insure that he has a wet dream, meaning baptized with water as if he were being baptized into a realization that a MO trek is needed. She has the ability to stroke the spirt so to speak so that he receives any needed revelation.

Independence, Missouri is a real shit hole. I remember visiting the temple site with my parents and then going to the Harry Truman Library. I'm like going, so this is supposed to be the New Jerusalem? No way in hell am I living here.

By any reasonable standard, Independence is not a s-hole. It's an average mid-Western city, with much history. Ridiculous. As a suburb of KC, and a population of 125K, there are parts of Independence that are better than other parts for sure - like any other city. Folks can look online and see for yourself. East Independence is very nice, with upscale malls, residential areas, etc. It's not a s-hole- that's just stupid Rubicon. I have been all over this nation, and I know s-holes, and s-hole Independence is not.

Whatever the secret signal is, was it given to the Pope? How many Catholic 'refugees' can Missouri absorb?

I wish Russ would give the signal now! Utah would be a nicer place to live if all the same Mormons would leave!