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Posted by: Gheco ( )
Date: February 03, 2019 01:30PM

Or does executive management just want to see the tithing receipt on that one.

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Posted by: Jaxson ( )
Date: February 03, 2019 01:45PM

Where does it say you can't work on Sunday?

Being raised for 40+ years in the church, I was always taught to avoid working on Sundays when possible. However, if unavoidable and necessary for a living, you gotta do what you gotta do.

Have things changed over the years, or is this just another nit that exmos think is worth picking?

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Posted by: angela ( )
Date: February 03, 2019 01:48PM

Jaxson Wrote:
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> Where does it say you can't work on Sunday?
>
> Being raised for 40+ years in the church, I was
> always taught to avoid working on Sundays when
> possible. However, if unavoidable and necessary
> for a living, you gotta do what you gotta do.
>
> Have things changed over the years, or is this
> just another nit that exmos think is worth
> picking?

I find this to be a fair observations.
Although many Mormons try not to work on Sunday, many do.
There are better things to point to when it comes to Mormonism, but I don't think this is one worth going for.

More of a "meh"

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Posted by: Wally Prince ( )
Date: February 04, 2019 10:19PM

Jaxson Wrote:
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> Where does it say you can't work on Sunday?

Uhmm... Would one of the 10 Commandments count? (Technically, that would be Saturday, but the LDS faith, along with other Christian sects, has clearly reinterpreted it to apply to Sundays).

But I agree totally that in the LDS Church, accommodations are made. As you said, members are encouraged to avoid working on Sundays, when not necessary. The issue of what is and isn't "necessary" creates all kinds of fudge room. How hard did you try to find an alternative? How badly do you "need" the additional money? To what extent are you prioritizing career and money over things of the spirit?

Certainly, no strict punitive measures are taken against people who work on Sundays. But, as is the case in so many aspects of the LSD Church, the leaders manage to put out many conflicting messages. One leader may give a conference talk clarifying that it is understood that some members must work on Sundays. In the same conference, another leader may give a tear-jerker story about the example set by a devout Latter-day Saint person who sacrificed some huge career opportunity because it conflicted with the commandment to keep the sabbath holy. (Usually, of course, the story will include an addendum describing how the person was subsequently blessed ten-fold instead of ending up living in a refrigerator box near the railroad tracks).

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Posted by: olderelder ( )
Date: February 03, 2019 01:46PM

They're fine with Steve Yong working Sundays.

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Posted by: Gheco ( )
Date: February 03, 2019 01:47PM

There are some of us that recall use of a vending machine on the Sabbath discouraged.

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Posted by: angela ( )
Date: February 03, 2019 01:50PM

Gheco Wrote:
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> There are some of us that recall use of a vending
> machine on the Sabbath discouraged.


Really?? Was this from leadership or was this more of personal restriction?

I never heard of this when I was at BYU in the 80's and living in the dorms. We used the vending machines all the time since the rest of campus was closed

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Posted by: moremany ( )
Date: February 05, 2019 01:57PM

You weren't the only one...
(People had to sneak around)
Like all of Mormonism!

It was a COMMON rule in the eighties, in Prove, and elsewhere. That would be like Ship Shopping on Sunday. That's bad! Okay? [South Park]

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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: February 05, 2019 02:52PM


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Posted by: Zeezromp ( )
Date: February 03, 2019 03:45PM

There was definitely an emphasis on keeping the Sabbath holy when I was attending 2005-2007.

Whenever it was discussed, there always seemed to be examples of breaking the sabbath rule when it suited someone to do so.

I concluded that it was really only a rule for those who were guilted very easily by it.

Similarly we once had a lesson on Integrity from the Spencer Kimball book. Topics like provident living, earning an honest living and not to involve oneself with gambling and lotteries etc came up as part of keeping one's integrity.

Came home and saw a video on youtube of Donny Osmond parading on the UK national lottery show wishing everyone luck on their gambling pursuits. Realised that 'Integrity' was optional when one is trying to promote one's new CD album.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/03/2019 03:46PM by Zeezromp.

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Posted by: Wally Prince ( )
Date: February 03, 2019 08:02PM

at their hotels. (I understand that they don't anymore.)

Apparently, it was never a problem...for them.

Just imagine if some regular schlub in your ward sold porn at a street stand to earn money for his family's basic needs. Likely would be a problem...for the regular schlub. No temple recommend for him, the guy who sells dirty magazines to a dozen people a day. But for someone who heads up a corporation that sells porn movies to thousands a day? Too big to go to hell, so might as well give him that recommend.

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Posted by: Jaxson ( )
Date: February 03, 2019 09:28PM

Whenever I got a temple recommend I had to answer a bunch of questions. Which temple recommend question(s) do you feel the Marriott's did not answer truthfully or should have kept them from getting a recommend?

The business I owned sold beer. Lots of it. Occasionally, when we were really busy, I would pour it myself. I never had a problem getting a temple recommend. I didn't drink it, I sold it. Should I have been some sort of "morality policeman" and denied others the free agency to purchase a beer (or not) from me?

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Posted by: Wally Prince ( )
Date: February 04, 2019 09:47PM

It's easy to see how a strict and zealous interviewer who knew about the porn-selling activity would see that as sufficient to deny a recommend.

Two of several TR questions that could potentially be applied:

7. Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

8. Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?

Of course it also depends on the attitude of the interviewee. If you take the position that "business is business" and what you do to make money is irrelevant to worthiness considerations and morality as taught by the LSD Church.

Here's a question for you. If you think of yourself as a good Mormon, do you think it would be okay to go around your neighborhood giving free beer to all your neighbors? How about going around the neighborhood and giving free Hustler and Playboy magazines or porn cable subscriptions to your neighbors? No problem? No connection to the temple worthiness question?

Why would it be okay or better to do those things for money?

I would never judge you for selling and dispensing beer. I don't believe in the WoW as being anything that came from God. But the logic of Mormonism, if honestly applied makes such things obviously problematical.

But the LSD Church is nothing if not very practical when it comes to money-making opportunities. Brigham Young advocated for the selling of booze and coffee to non-Mormons and had a profitable stake in such businesses.

As for smut peddling, the church has historically been much less "understanding". If some member is working at a convenience store that happens to sell porn, it would not likely be a TR problem. But if the person is the owner and proprietor and chooses to sell porn, it's easy to imagine it being a problem if anyone were to bring it to the attention of the TR interviewer.

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Posted by: Wally Prince ( )
Date: February 04, 2019 09:56PM

to someone else versus actually enticing them and encouraging them to choose sin (according to your own beliefs)...and doing so for profit.

It's pure sophistry for a devout Mormon to pretend (in a situation like that) that they are simply and virtuously respecting others' "free agency" in some neutral way, when in fact not only are they failing to advocate for "truths" supposedly revealed to them by God through God's prophet, they are actually enticing people to sin against those truths.

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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: February 05, 2019 02:54PM

I like that - Too big to go to hell.

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Posted by: messygoop ( )
Date: February 03, 2019 08:23PM

When summer rolled around, we priests were strongly advised to "honor the faith" by requesting not to work on Sundays. That crappy advice probably prevented us from getting summer jobs. During the heavy-handed correlation years, we heard about laurels in SS that had proudly quit their retail jobs because the store (gasp) wanted them to work on Sundays. I struggled to land a job because I wrote that I could not work on Sundays on job applications. Why would a business owner or a manager want a person that couldn't meet the needs of a business?

There were no blessings of work for living that principle.

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Posted by: azsteve ( )
Date: February 03, 2019 08:46PM

Why would Gladys Knight join a church with an established history of racism against blacks? How did that happen? Does she claim to have a testimony?

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Posted by: angela ( )
Date: February 03, 2019 11:10PM

azsteve Wrote:
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> Why would Gladys Knight join a church with an
> established history of racism against blacks? How
> did that happen? Does she claim to have a
> testimony?


She joined several years ago, after one of her kids did? Something like that. It's my understanding that she is an active member in good standing

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Posted by: moremany ( )
Date: February 05, 2019 02:22PM

She gets adoration, submission, deference and respect. IOW she is probably treated like a queen: she's a lamanight, she's got money, and fame... and she's an elder. It's probably the way certain white people are treated in Africa, Asia, or South America, sometimes, especially in the past.

She followed one of her kids. I wonder who is going to follow who out.

I saw her sing AND PREACH (and bury her testimonial, with her husband [who buried it deeper], about half the time) in a Mormon chapel a few years ago.

The free ticket said you can't record anything but LDSinc can record you and use your likeness and insane and immaculate image in any of its deprograms.

Whole thing was creepy.
It was Mormon after all.

M@t

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Posted by: Wally Prince ( )
Date: February 05, 2019 11:38PM

a few years ago. So, to some extent, there's an extra-strong emotional attachment to the church for her. It's like she's honoring her son's memory by sticking with it.

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Posted by: moremany ( )
Date: February 06, 2019 10:43PM

That is a tough row to hoe.

Mormonism's CATCH-22: DAMNED if you don't, DAMNED if you do!

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: February 03, 2019 09:17PM

The sabbath is saturday.

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Posted by: angela ( )
Date: February 03, 2019 11:11PM

Dave the Atheist Wrote:
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> The sabbath is saturday.

True.
Sunday is more accurately called the Lord's day

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Posted by: Justin ( )
Date: February 04, 2019 01:46PM

I didn't see it. Did she do a decent job of singing it?

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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: February 04, 2019 02:00PM

Having a Mormon associated with what is becoming known as the worst Super Bowl in recorded history isn't a bad thing in my mind. Go Gladys!

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Posted by: Aquarius123 ( )
Date: February 04, 2019 05:04PM

Elder Berry Wrote:
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> Having a Mormon associated with what is becoming
> known as the worst Super Bowl in recorded history
> isn't a bad thing in my mind. Go Gladys!


Elder Berry, that was IMO the most boring superbowl ever!I found the halftime show just stinko like a skunk that crawled out of another skunk's *$$. I'm with you with way to go Gladys! However, she sang beautifully!



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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: February 04, 2019 05:35PM

Aquarius123 Wrote:
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> I'm with you with way to go Gladys!
> However, she sang beautifully!

She did. I wonder how Donny and Marie would have done it? A rock and roll country duet?

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Posted by: Jaxson ( )
Date: February 04, 2019 02:17PM

She did a GREAT job. OUTSTANDING!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTuoq6TllaU

Great game too...a battle down to the wire.

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Posted by: caffiend ( )
Date: February 04, 2019 04:12PM

So, religious issues aside, she did a fine job.

And yes, it was not an especially exciting game. Like a pitchers' duel in baseball, it lacked thrilling plays, but one which informed, sophisticated fans enjoyed (which I am not).

I'm lighting a candle to send out sympathetic vibes to the Board's number one hater of Brady and the Evil Empire, SB.

--the New England PatriFiend.

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Posted by: cl2 ( )
Date: February 04, 2019 10:46PM

It was stressed A LOT. This isn't just some "nit" that exmormons are picking at.

My daughter refuses to work on Sundays. I asked to not be scheduled Sundays as my mother didn't like it. I worried so much about it, I asked my SS teacher if it was okay if my dad irrigated on Sundays.

Then when I was an adult, in my 30s, the bishop strongly suggested that I not work on Sunday. I did medical transcription. It is something that has to be done, especially "stat" reports. I felt guilty any time I worked on Sundays and as a teenager, I contributed my day's pay to tithing if I had to work on Sunday.

Although I did carry irrigation pipe, etc., for my dad on Sundays all the time.

It was STRESSED STRONGLY while I was active.

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Posted by: Curelom Joe ( )
Date: February 05, 2019 02:04PM

Does it matter that she and the other headliners (the band members of Maroon 5, the rappers who joined them, and I forget who else) weren't paid for their appearances and were therefore volunteering, not "working" on the Sabbath?

The NFL pays for all the production costs of the pre-game and half-time entertainment, several million dollars, including pay for all of the anonymous backup musicians, dancers, costume characters, and the army of production crew workers, but doesn't pay the "name" artists who appear. Never has.

So I think Gladys Knight could point to that fact (if she cared about this issue!) and say that it was as if she were singing for free to a Relief Society conference, and not working a Sabbath-day job.

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Posted by: moremany ( )
Date: February 05, 2019 02:25PM

It's commercial.

No one cares if she was paid or not... as much as she does.

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Posted by: Curelom Joe ( )
Date: February 05, 2019 02:34PM

I must respectfully disagree. No flaws in my logic, as far as I can tell. It's an honor to sing the national anthem (for free; I believe that that's what she performed) at a "commercial" sporting event, and not a paid gig.

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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: February 05, 2019 02:31PM

the Context of Everything in Mormonism is that you've got to live/conform to/obey All of God's commandments, not do the cafeteria thing If U want to honor God, go to the CK, else U have No Promise.

cut & dried, that's the context.

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Posted by: GONE4GOOD4EVER ( )
Date: February 05, 2019 06:58PM

OK, so she didn't get paid. but when i joined 40 years ago i was told not to watch sports on television or do anything not related to sunday activities only.

she was at the game...do you think she sang and left. she was still there. guess there are just different rules for different people...

when i mentioned this to someone in the church they implied she was doing church/missionary work.....so let's all go do church/missionary work anywhere we want to go on sunday. especially walmart

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