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Posted by: Fascinated in the Midwest ( )
Date: February 04, 2019 11:16AM

It seems like the church formerly known as Mormon is trying to become more Christ- and Bible-based and less into extolling ideas contained in their old texts. Doctrines and Covenants falls into the tomes they are trying to downplay currently, yes?

Is a class in Doctrines and Covenants still available at BYU? If so, why?

Has the overall coursework at BYU gotten more "Christian-focused"?

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Posted by: tumwater ( )
Date: February 04, 2019 12:14PM


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Posted by: bezoar ( )
Date: February 04, 2019 12:17PM

What about The Pearl of Great Price? Do they still teach that at BYU, or are they quietly ignoring it at BYU like they do with the membership at large?

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Posted by: gemini ( )
Date: February 04, 2019 01:26PM

The P of GP is being taught in an adult institute class in Utah County. I know this because a close elderly relative is attending it and thinks it is just a wonderful class. gag



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Posted by: tumwater ( )
Date: February 04, 2019 12:23PM

Go the university's web site and look at the course catalog.

BYU
https://catalog.byu.edu/religious-education



BYU-I
http://www.byui.edu/catalog/#/courses

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Posted by: baura ( )
Date: February 04, 2019 01:04PM

What they say to their members and what they say to the rest of
the world are two different universes. That's the "bait-and-
switch" aspect. They may be trying to appear mainstream, but
that's just appearances.

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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: February 04, 2019 01:19PM

Why don't they teach an advanced temple class where a pre-req is a recommend? At least there they could try and explain that mind-screwing nonsense.

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Posted by: Heidi GWOTR ( )
Date: February 04, 2019 02:21PM

Oh, don't you get it? If you don't get it, then it's because the Spirit has deemed you not righteous enough. Pay more, pray more, obey more and perhaps this will change. That was the answer I got.

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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: February 05, 2019 12:28PM

Interesting. I never told people I didn't get it. I might have left earlier if I had gotten that response because if it was supposed to be divine either I was beyond hope or it was a crock of crap. Either way I would have considered leaving.

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Posted by: Brother Of Jerry ( )
Date: February 04, 2019 01:35PM

"Doctrines and Covenants falls into the tomes they are trying to downplay currently, yes?"

Not as far as I am aware. You don't hear much about the Book of Abraham or Book of Moses these days, but the rest of the standard works get quoted from regularly. They may have toned it down a little, but it would take a statistical analysis of GC talks to determine if that was true, and if so, how much quoting extra-biblical scripture has been toned down.

The word "Lamanite" has definitely been downplayed.

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Posted by: mel ( )
Date: February 04, 2019 06:49PM

This topic reminds me of when I was in SS newly joined LDS.

I was still "trying" to learn, and participate, something was written on the Board, I raised my hand and asked:

"Does that mean D&C 128?"

The Sunday School teacher turned on me with fury burning in his eyes and said "D&C is the name of a female gynecological operation. WE say Doctrine and Covenants!"

Needless to say, that was the last question I asked!

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Posted by: tumwater ( )
Date: February 04, 2019 08:42PM

That D&C comment reminded me of when I first learned about the church, people would refer to them selves as LDS, I thought they are saying LSD.

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Posted by: messygoop ( )
Date: February 04, 2019 11:05PM

I'm sorry mel.

What an asshole response, so rude and condescending.

That was a teachable moment that should have helped a new member feel more confident and develop an interest in the class. But blew you off instead.

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Posted by: Heartless ( )
Date: February 05, 2019 12:30PM

I heard this a lot from people that went to BYU.

In my neck of the woods we ignored them, pressed on the D and C.

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Posted by: mel ( )
Date: February 05, 2019 12:44PM

Heartless Wrote:
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> I heard this a lot from people that went to BYU.

Oh my gosh, really, it is a canned response, to attack the phrase D&C as a female operation?

I could not believe my ears that it was being said to me in Sunday School!

But if that was a learned response from BYU, it explains a lot, how the teacher said it so angrily and quickly in response to my use of D&C!!!



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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: February 06, 2019 09:18AM

I think I would have called it quits on the faith right then and there, but then again I'm easily offended. ;)

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Posted by: cl2 ( )
Date: February 06, 2019 10:19AM

when you are at church, you'd think people would be kinder, but not in mormonism. The temple was horrible. The old ladies were RUDE and nitpicked you to death.

The girl who cuts my hair (well, she is 33--I always say girl) is a temple worker 1 night a week. She said they told them to BE KIND and not be too picky, that a lot of people won't go to the temple because of how rudely they are treated.

Where I live and went to church, we always said D&C. That's ridiculous that he related it to the OB/GYN procedure. YOU WERE IN CHURCH, not in a hospital.

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Posted by: mel ( )
Date: February 04, 2019 11:44PM

Thank you, Goop.

You and I could have had some fun in Sunday School, I think. They didn't like either of our questions!

:) :) :)

Melanie

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Posted by: tumwater ( )
Date: February 05, 2019 01:14PM

Sometimes there is another side to the story that isn't apparent.

What is the possibility that the Sunday school teacher's wife had recently under gone a D&C procedure and it was to the extent that they wouldn't be able to have anymore kids?

It's a marriage and life crisis that many have faced.

The use of the term D&C just hit a raw nerve at a bad time.

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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: February 05, 2019 01:20PM

tumwater Wrote:
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> The use of the term D&C just hit a raw nerve at a
> bad time.

I think about Section 132 every time I hear it.

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Posted by: tumwater ( )
Date: February 05, 2019 02:19PM

I agree, 132 bites.

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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: February 06, 2019 01:05PM

The irony for me is that I'm not against consenting adults of either gender treating eat other as equals combining in whatever configuration for whatever amount of time as long as their children have caring adults to rear them. Tall order in "even" and more especially monogamous situations.

What galls me stems from my experiences with my sister's Mormon polygamy. It is truly an absurd game of stroking the male ego. It is demeaning and unchecked abuse of women as "equals." But then again so is Mormonism.



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Posted by: mel ( )
Date: February 05, 2019 02:22PM

tumwater Wrote:
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> What is the possibility that the Sunday school teacher's wife...

Aww. Tumwater. You are SO nice, so generous, in giving people the benefit of the doubt. If I am ever in a tight space or have done something wrong, I want you in my corner!

SS Teacher was a handsome, never married Ward member, famous for flirting with then dumping all the gullible single women who came to his class. So he really had no excuse for the hostile comment. :(



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Posted by: tumwater ( )
Date: February 05, 2019 08:51PM

Let me know anytime you could use my help, I'll be happy to stir up some BS that'll fit your needs.



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Posted by: mel ( )
Date: February 05, 2019 09:26PM

tumwater Wrote:
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> ...I'll be happy to stir up some BS that'll fit your needs.

Oh Tum, You are a prince among men!!! Thanks!!!!

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