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Posted by: Eric K ( )
Date: February 05, 2019 10:36PM

We have been under a steady Ddos attack for awhile. It took us down today for a few hours. We don't know who is doing this. We should be back to normal now. This has happened a few times over the years. Unfortunately we have to pay for tech support to recover the site. That cuts into our budget in a big way paying for the tech support for a number of hours. The folks attacking us know we operate on a shoe string budget and this hurts us significantly. It is discouraging.

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Posted by: CrispingPin ( )
Date: February 05, 2019 10:38PM

I’m always more than happy to chip in. I’ll make a donation tomorrow in response to the attack.

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Posted by: CrispingPin ( )
Date: February 06, 2019 10:28AM

Not only are my donations to RFM way less expensive than tithing, I'm confident that the money will actually be used for good purposes.

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Posted by: sbg ( )
Date: February 05, 2019 11:13PM

Small donation made through PayPal

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Posted by: cricket ( )
Date: February 06, 2019 12:12AM

Sorry that this is happening Eric!

Just in case someone is curious:

A distributed denial-of-service (DDoS) attack is a malicious attempt to disrupt normal traffic of a targeted server, service or network by overwhelming the target or its surrounding infrastructure with a flood of Internet traffic. - Wikipedia

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Posted by: catnip ( )
Date: February 06, 2019 07:02PM

Thank you - I didn't have a clue, and was feeling like a dummy.

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Posted by: Cathy ( )
Date: February 08, 2019 04:34PM

Same here.

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Posted by: Tevai ( )
Date: February 06, 2019 12:41AM

Eric:

Please post the info needed for getting contributions into the proper place.

Thank you!!

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Posted by: mel ( )
Date: February 06, 2019 10:19AM

Tevai Wrote:

> Please post the info needed for contributions...

Hi Tevai:
If you go to the main page, and scroll ALL the way down to the very, very bottom of the page, there is a button which says "Donate". https://www.exmormon.org/

The "Donate" button only appears sometimes as per the site:

" This is a once-in-while donation request. This is only the 4th request since 1995. Our expenses are minimal. No one is paid to run the site or admin the bulletin boards. We do pay for site fees, ISP help, and upgrades."

Thank you Eric for the Board, and sorry about the attacks! Hooray for free speech and open discussions!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/06/2019 11:59AM by mel.

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Posted by: exminion ( )
Date: February 06, 2019 12:58AM

All those senior couples missionaries on "computer missions" don't have enough to do.

Way back when, on the old dial-up internet, Mormons had machines to make multiple hits on their own websites, so that MORMON would be at the top of most search lists beginning with the letter M, or with "religion" or "church", etc. I was still TBM back then. Now the internet system automatically rejects machines, but the Mormons have all those useless missionaries, sitting around doing nothing, or begging to do simple chores for people, and certainly have enough people to flood a website. I'm sure they continue to keep their own websites "popular". I know this happens. Mormons are fighting a WAR, dontcha know--as the Armies of Helaman--the battle of Satan and his minions! Mormons are best at fighting dirty! They like secrets and lies, and sneaking behind people's backs.

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Posted by: Soft Machine ( )
Date: February 06, 2019 04:32AM


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Posted by: wondering ( )
Date: February 06, 2019 11:23AM

Small donation sent. Bet that grates on them when we all step forward with donations to combat their evil unkind actions. It just shows who is good and who is evil.

Erik and Concrete Zipper keep up the good work. Thanks for making this site available!

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Posted by: Devoted Exmo ( )
Date: February 06, 2019 01:24PM

I'm happy to help with a little bit. It's the least I can do!

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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: February 06, 2019 01:42PM

Small donation sent. Bastards!

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Posted by: Shummy ( )
Date: February 06, 2019 02:05PM

Just look what the bastards got that time when they thought that destroying the Expositor printing press was a good idea.

Some fools never learn.

Godspeed RfM.

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Posted by: fossilman ( )
Date: February 06, 2019 02:30PM

Sent a few tuppence your way.

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Posted by: Amyjo ( )
Date: February 06, 2019 03:18PM

I just sent a few shekels your way. It beats tithing to TSCC.

Plus, it's a mitzvah.

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Posted by: Soft Machine ( )
Date: February 06, 2019 03:36PM


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Posted by: kathleen ( )
Date: February 06, 2019 05:26PM

:)

Glad to help. Thank you, Eric, CZ, and all.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/06/2019 06:55PM by kathleen.

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Posted by: catnip ( )
Date: February 06, 2019 07:13PM

Small donation sent. There was no way to mark it "Courtesy of catnip," but it's there.

Get those dodos (that's how I read the word at first. . .)

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Posted by: Shummy ( )
Date: February 06, 2019 10:37PM

Holland's brave brigade of stripling dodos.

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Posted by: Eric K ( )
Date: February 07, 2019 10:48AM

Thanks for the contributions. We will run out of funds in May/June of this year. So those were helpful. We had a generous benefactor who paid 100% of the site costs for years. The last few years we have had to raise funds. We have about $750 remaining in our balance before getting tech support invoices fixing this latest attack. Concrete Zipper is slowly taking over as he has had to take care of personal items. Life happens to all of us. He will be a great resource here.

If you wish to help, we stop collecting when we reach $2500, is to click on the Paypal button: at the very bottom of https://www.exmormon.org

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Posted by: mel ( )
Date: February 20, 2019 04:31PM

Just reminding everyone to please support the Board against attacks!

Thank you!

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Posted by: Amyjo ( )
Date: February 08, 2019 10:51AM

Cyber warfare is the new 'Spiritual Warfare' of the 21st century (wink wink.)

The Gadianton robbers and Danites are up to their old tricks.

Happy to help the cause, Eric K.

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Posted by: mel ( )
Date: February 08, 2019 03:12PM

I hope as many as can, contribute even a little. The Board is very important as a place we can learn, and help others! Please always post whenever there are needs.

Thank you for making this amazing place available for us!

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Posted by: Cathy ( )
Date: February 08, 2019 04:37PM

Donated. Definitely a better use of funds than paying tithing.

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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: February 08, 2019 05:51PM

One wonders if tithing is funding attacks?

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Posted by: Cathy ( )
Date: February 08, 2019 05:52PM

Directly or indirectly, I assume it is.

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Posted by: memikeyounot ( )
Date: February 08, 2019 06:30PM

What I can afford to donate here makes me feel better than any time I paid tithing or fast offering.

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Posted by: mel ( )
Date: February 09, 2019 07:23PM

memikeyounot Wrote:
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> ...donate here makes me feel better than any time I paid tithing or fast offering.

Me Too!!! :) :) :)

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Posted by: Tevai ( )
Date: February 08, 2019 06:54PM

After several attempts to use my debit card (which, for some inexplicable reason, was being declined by the processor), we used another name, another gender, and another card, and the donation went through.

Finally!!

:)

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Posted by: OneWayJay ( )
Date: February 08, 2019 07:15PM

Have you made contact with the FBI Cyber Crimes unit? Why not let them go after it for you. IF they find it is within their jurisdiction you may just get some satisfaction.

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Posted by: T-Bone ( )
Date: February 09, 2019 08:06AM

Haven't logged in here for a long time.
Glad I did.
Just made a small donation.
Please keep up the good work.

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Posted by: mel ( )
Date: February 09, 2019 07:27PM

T-Bone Wrote:
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> Haven't logged in here for a long time.

Your topic that you posted about funerals was very interesting. Glad that you came back! I am fairly new to the Board and have learned so much from the folks here, and appreciate so much the interesting things people post!

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Posted by: chipace ( )
Date: February 09, 2019 01:28PM

Thank you Eric. Your effort is very much appreciated.
I donated my entire PayPal balance (just like the widow's mite).

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Posted by: mel ( )
Date: February 13, 2019 11:04PM

Thank you all so much for the Board, for keeping it such a nice place to be!

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Posted by: Cheryl ( )
Date: February 14, 2019 02:59PM

A problem for us but much WORSE for them.

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Posted by: LadyKorihor ( )
Date: February 15, 2019 10:15PM

I guess their prayers weren't enough to take this site down. After all God works in mysterious ways

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Posted by: Eric K ( )
Date: February 15, 2019 10:31PM

Thanks for the donations! We are at a $1166 balance. I have an outstanding invoice to our ISP of $196.00. We are good for 4 or 5 months. We are on a dedicated server with full daily backups. There is too much to lose if we shut down or get wiped out by a virus. So many have contributed with over 2,000,000 posts.

CZ has been busy, so I am working on a mobile friendly version of the site while I have time.

Eric

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Posted by: Amyjo ( )
Date: February 20, 2019 04:40PM

Wowsy, from $750 last count to $1166 latest count, shows every little bit helps.

This wasn't even a formal fund drive. Will try to contribute more as able.

Appreciate all you do and others here who volunteer their time and talents to keep this board running smoothly.

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Posted by: angela ( )
Date: February 20, 2019 06:03PM

Amyjo Wrote:
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> Wowsy, from $750 last count to $1166 latest count,
> shows every little bit helps.
>
> This wasn't even a formal fund drive. Will try to
> contribute more as able.
>
> Appreciate all you do and others here who
> volunteer their time and talents to keep this
> board running smoothly.


Thumbs up!!!

:)

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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: February 21, 2019 04:23PM

Line upon line, percent upon percent...

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Posted by: azsteve ( )
Date: February 21, 2019 09:57PM

I wonder if the church or someone in it is re responsible for these attacks.

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Posted by: azsteve ( )
Date: February 21, 2019 10:53PM

It seems like any kid who has taken a high school computer class could write a three line denial of service attack script that sends out requests for replies to a given server several thousands or millions of times per second.
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Attack:
Ping url-goes-here
Goto Attack
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But a distributed Dos attack would require either a bunch of people running that kind of script all at the same time in a coordinated effort, or someone also writing more advanced code to go around security measures to implant and execute their code remotely (zombie attacks) from other people's computers, probably the attacking computers being innocent victem's themselves. It would be interesting to know if there are only a handful of sources of attacking IP addresses (like a group of friends working together), or a very large number of different attacking IP addresses. The ISP should have that information readily available as every request should be logged. A few amateurs working together could possibly do a lot of damage while they might be easy to catch. If it's more than that, it might be interesting to see just how sophisticated this attacker is and what kind of software they are using.

I would call the ISP with a lot of questions. If you keep paying them without asking questions, they may not be too bothered by these attacks themselves.

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Posted by: mel ( )
Date: February 28, 2019 03:14PM

The Board is attacked a lot, whether by groups as AZSteve suggests above, or motivated loners. While blocking attacking IPs may work in some cases, so many systems no longer assign static IPs that it may be of limited use, or providers may not offer that service.

I hope everyone who can financially support the Board to keep it going, will click on the "donate" button on the main page, to try to help out. If we keep coming back after attacks they will eventually give up.

Thanks!

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Posted by: Cathy ( )
Date: February 28, 2019 11:32PM

Agreed. Bump.

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Posted by: azsteve ( )
Date: March 02, 2019 04:58PM

Every time someone connects through the internet, the connection is made possible through either a static IP address, or through a temporarily assigned IP address that is periodically re-assigned. So as a routine procedure, your ISP always has a record of who had which IP address at any given moment. That's how they manage the traffic through their routers. When you see the IP address of the person who is attacking your web-site, that is who to go after first. Most people assume that this is all mysterious internet stuff. But in most cases, it's more like the attacker leaves their name and home address behind every time, and is too ignorant to even know that their signature is everywhere they've been. Some of them may think that they are pretty sneaky, and have methods they think are effective at masking their identity. No matter who we are though (that includes all of us), there is always someone smarter out there. These attackers will eventually be caught somewhere if they keep it up. And once they have been caught, it will be quite easy for law enforcement to document everyone they've attacked, and to assess the value of the damages they've caused. The collective amount is probably much more than they might imagine, and criminal courts can order them to pay restitution in addition to jail time. I can't imagine that attacking other people's servers would be a fun hobby for very long considering that sitting in jail and paying restitution when you get out of prison isn't much fun.



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Posted by: blacksheep1 ( )
Date: March 01, 2019 12:22AM

Just a teensy donation, but I hope they'll all add up. I detest people who try to interfere with free speech and useful communication. This board is a valuable contribution to many lives. Thank you.

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Posted by: mel ( )
Date: March 01, 2019 12:40AM

Black sheep, I am sure every donation no matter how small, helps . Good job helping - I am sure the operators appreciated!

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Posted by: Dee ( )
Date: March 03, 2019 07:30PM

So many need this site to stay up. Thanks for all you do. Donation sent

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