So much for summer vacation. Where did that extra hour on Sunday go? Well, guess what? The Prophet has taken it back and another big chunk of members’ lives as well. Take your vitamins. Russell M. Nelson is on a roll. Now, what are his revelations going to cost the Church from a monetary standpoint? There is always cash available for the Prophet’s musings; it doesn’t make any difference.

“The course of study for seminary will shift from a school year calendar (studying a book of scripture from the beginning of the school year to the end of the school year) to an annual calendar (studying a book of scripture from January thru December independent of academic calendars). Seminary students will study the same book of scripture used for the Come Follow Me curriculum each year. . .

As part of the on going restoration, these changes further support the prophetic emphasis on home-centered gospel learning and the role of youth in the work of the Lord. Making this change will enhance the home-centered, Church-supported approach to gospel study through a unified study at home, Sunday School, and seminary. This unified approach can help students as they seek to increase their love for Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ and deepen their conversion to the restored gospel.”
www.lds.org
March 22, 2019, “Home-Centered, Seminary-Supported Study of the Scriptures.”

The “prophetic emphasis” can only mean that this change came directly from Russell M. Nelson as one of his 2 AM revelations from the Mormon Jesus as is part of the “ongoing restoration” that should have been accomplished through all of the previous Prophets of the Church. Since they failed at the task, it falls to the duty of Super Prophet Russell M. Nelson to accomplish the task. Get ready. Next time “Praise to the Man” is sung, it will be for Russell M. Nelson. Just like in all of his previous revelations and all future revelations as well, the Mormon Jesus has been silent on all of this for the last 189 years.

“’Seminary and institute will help you. Graduating from seminary and institute will increase your ability to excel in the most important things you will ever do in life’ (Russell M. Nelson, “A Personal Invitation to Participate in Seminary and Institute,” Feb. 4, 2019).”

No. This is simply the sledge hammer approach, where people are subjected to the same message at every turn. Go to seminary, go home or go to church and they will get the same lesson from the same manual.

So this is the plan to hold gen x/y parents accountable for failing to properly teach their wayward children that are leaving the church?

This smacks of "The punishment will continue until morale improves!"

Sledgehammer approach, yes, but now bordering on wrecking ball.

Seminary during summer break. Yes. Let's see how many more kids we can get to really hate seminary.

Why not just stuff a book of Mormon down the poor kids throats?

Go Russ!

This makes the not so committed less committed and the overly zealous double down.

The good thing is, as people get summer jobs or go on vacation. The middle roaders will learn that missing a church meeting aint no big deal.

I also agree, this is more BS to push back on the parents. Even without prior commitments, parents don't want to be shuttling kids to and from church meetings all summer.

The articles I read on this change weren't very clear. I understood the change to mean that the church was just aligning seminary curriculum with church curriculum. So instead of starting a course of study for seminary in September when school starts, it would start in January and continue till the end of the year. I didn't read anything that stated that seminary classes would continue through the summer.

Anyone know for sure?

want2bx Wrote:
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> The articles I read on this change weren't very
> clear. I understood the change to mean that the
> church was just aligning seminary curriculum with
> church curriculum. So instead of starting a course
> of study for seminary in September when school
> starts, it would start in January and continue
> till the end of the year. I didn't read anything
> that stated that seminary classes would continue
> through the summer.
>
> Anyone know for sure?

Just asked a relative that is a seminary teacher. Seminary isn’t going to be year round. They are just going to follow the same weekly lessons as the Come Follow Me program.

The kids should call it the “Come Follow Me Off The Edge of This Cliff” program.

babyloncansuckit Wrote:
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> The kids should call it the “Come Follow Me Off
> The Edge of This Cliff” program.

Oh it's clever social engineering. Nelson knows a lot of parents aren't going to read and discuss those weekly assigned scriptures. Have the kids cover the same thing at seminary and they will probably bring it up for a family discussion other than going to their room and reading things.

It's all about getting people discussing topics at home and at church. It's not so much home based church but the church invading your home. Tell me brother Rubicon. What did you learn about such and such this week with your family? What? What are you talking about? You aren't doing the Come Follow Me with your wife and kids? Ah no. I give them some money to go shopping and when they are gone I watch porn.

So, Nelson's an educator, now? Oh, that's right, this comes as a revelation from God. It makes no sense, because God created the human mind to to curious, and to respond to variety and new knowledge.

All of that repetition would be intolerable, on any subject, even one you liked. Besides, the student would learn only the same handful of facts, repeated over and over. I guess monotonous repetition is part of brainwashing, rather than learning.

Anyway, it is obvious to me that Expanding Knowledge is NOT the goal of the Mormon cult right now. Quite the opposite--the less the members know, the better!

Most of the Mormons I have known over the years in Sunday school and Primary, don't understand that humans WANT to learn. Learning is one of life's greatest pleasures! But not so for the Mormons. We Mormon-called teachers were instructed to NOT encourage questions, group discussions, or outside sources. WHAT? I was told that, after correlation happened. At the time, I had the "delinquent" class of difficult 15-16-year-old high school students, and the best way to keep them in line was to keep them interested. Every year, these actually were wonderful kids, bright, inquisitive, with personality and a sense of humor. They had acted out in previous classes, mainly because they had been bored to death. I let them do a lot of the talking, and even some of the teaching. They had already learned the manual stuff, repeated for all their years in the cult, and in seminary, besides. We had lively and informative class discussions. They related their own learning experiences, and those of their relatives and friends. The Mormons thought these kids had nothing to offer, and should only be "molded." I encouraged questions, and helped them find answers--the canned Mormon answers, but also the contradictory answers. I helped them make their own sense of things, or just grapple with it, the best way they could. I brought in guest speakers, who knew more than what the manual said. We had variety. In those days, we were allowed to have class on the lawn, if the kids behaved. We had class parties, and sometimes classes at my house, when there was an approved movie to see.

With all this, the kids seemed to like more discipline in the classroom, and less chaos. This enabled them to them to take turns, so everyone could have their say. They had to be polite, accept the opinions of others, think carefully, instead of react and spout-off. The classroom was no longer too noisy for the other classes. The kids liked to come, so attendance was up, and no ditching. I was an experienced teacher, with a certificate that I kept renewed. The Mormon leaders couldn't understand why these "delinquents" (who were great kids) were suddenly quiet and cooperative, without my threatening any violence against them, as the previous teachers had. After that correlated "teacher-training seminar" given by a Mormon bigwig, who had never been a professional teacher or educator, I decided that I couldn't teach like the Mormons wanted me to, so I quit the calling.

It makes me sad to think that lovely young minds are missing out on the advantages of a class of peers and a caring teacher. (Well, maybe not, because Mormonism no longer resonates with them, and they're more likely to leave). Now, it's just a cold, boring manual of stale, old lies, and an authoritarian father with a stick over their heads, making them sit still and shut up.

Thank goodness there are good daily schools and teachers for these kids! But, then, there are parents who home-school their kids....

exminion Wrote:
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> All of that repetition would be intolerable, on
> any subject, even one you liked. Besides, the
> student would learn only the same handful of
> facts, repeated over and over.


Yeah. Way back in ancient times, when I was a youngster, I suddenly realized it was the same thing over and over and over and over... And that was back before correlation when they taught all the weird, juicy stuff the church now disavows. I thought the repetition was because we were stupid kids, but then the first time I was in a gospel doctrine class I saw it was just more of the same, and all the grownups were just as bored.

Mormons are only good to the organization if they do as they are told. It doesn't really matter if they learn for the sake of gaining knowledge. It only matters that they learn the party line.

To the church they have nothing to offer. Not until they go out and recruit new members on their mission and then come home and pay their ten percent like everyone else.

Remember intellectuals are one of the enemies of the church.

This feels like desperation on the part of TSCC. Seriously.

Year round seminary. hahaha


That sounds more fun than an All-Night Dentist.



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They seem to have doubled down on really brining the hammer down on people from ages (roughly) 12-21. The Morg still wants to mold people's experience in these years before the brain is fully formed and susceptible to emotional manipulation. It may or may not stick, but they get a lot of energy and free labor out of it.

Seminary is indoctrination--not education. Education helps us expand our understanding of multiple perspectives to form world-views that incorporate a wider range of views.

I also felt a great deal of emotional manipulation associated with LDS Seminary. Those of you attending in the 1990s may also remember some of the videos obsessed with the concept of "serious sin" and confessing to your bishop. As exhibits I give you: Godly Sorrow (starring "what about the pain"Aaron Eckhart as nameless boyfriend), Armor of God, Spiritual Crocodiles (staring Boyd "the Factory man" Packer), and one I don't remember the title of about mercy and justice (also with the Factory man) that makes Jesus your refi man.

LDS Seminary just leaves people with a faulty set of knowledge and manipulated feelings as they head out into the world.

snowball Wrote:
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> I also felt a great deal of emotional manipulation
> associated with LDS Seminary. Those of you
> attending in the 1990s may also remember some of
> the videos obsessed with the concept of "serious
> sin"

Julie and Todd, too.

My kids didn't like Seminary but the older ones attended without
arguing. The youngest one flatly refused. One of us would drop her off early at school (in time for Seminary) and she would promptly decamp to hang out in the Band Room. Somebody was always there in Band to practice.

We had no idea that this was going on until one of the bishop's daughters asked DH (who was teaching there at the time) "Brother Nipper, we really miss seeing R at Seminary. Is she planning to come back?"

We had quite a come-to-Jeebus meeting at home that night. Dtr made it quite clear that not only did she hate Seminary, she hated the entire Church. She resisted being dragged to Sacrament meetings, so that every weekend became a battle.

She turned 18 in December of that year. She happened to catch me writing my own resignation letter on the "family" computer, and asked me to finish and print mine, but leaving the body of the letter so she could put her own data in and resign also.

The entire family is out now, even the longest holdout, our RM son and his temple bride. I am SO glad that our grandbabies don't have to be subjected to this brain-crushing swill. They are much too bright to subject to such nonsense.

Dtr and oldest son and I have all formally resigned. Other son and daughter have dropped out of the picture and made it clear that TSCC is not welcome. Only DH remains a member, but he is totally inactive.

We still see DH's long-time HT (or whatever!) from time to time, and as the old fellow dearly loves to gossip, we always hear what is going on in the ward. He doesn't even try to teach a lesson; he knows better. He and his wife and DH and I are just friends, without an agenda. I go to lunch with his wife sometimes. She is a brilliant woman and I enjoy her company very much. I'm glad we have retained that friendship.