Is something wrong with me?

I actually believe that if the truth were known, ALL people during life in this era have viewed porn privately, repeatedly.

Am I a sicko?

Or did I hit the nail right on the head?

What do you think? Honestly?

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I don't have a problem with others viewing porn. I do remember when I first got back with my old boyfriend that he said he bought a Play Boy to read while traveling. This was before no nude pictures (is that correct, it doesn't have nude pictures now?). Then I had to stop and think about that one. I am married to someone gay. I had to realize I was glad my boyfriend was looking at STRAIGHT "porn." I don't know if my boyfriend looks at much porn. He tells me he finds it boring. If he does, I don't worry about it.

I think becoming too crazy about any one subject, in terms of how the church handles anyone who looks at porn, only makes things so much worse. I remember a guy who posted here years ago who said that he had to go repent to the bishop under force by his wife as he had masturbated and looked at porn once in 6 months. HOW RIDICULOUS!

Myself, I just don't worry about it. But, no, I don't view porn.

Every human does not view porn.

What is porn ?

Dave the Atheist Wrote:
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> What is porn ?


I rest my case. Poor DtA

When I was a young woman, virtually every young man I knew had a stack of the men's magazines -- Playboy, Penthouse, etc. I used to occasionally flip through them to see what interested them. If my female friends had had a "no porn" policy, there would have been no one for them to marry.

There used to be a similar magazine for women called, Playgirl. My friends and I looked at it on occasion, but it was boring by comparison.

As for now, who knows. I don't consider it my concern unless the porn is really violent. Even then, I probably wouldn't even know about it.

To each his own. I assume some people look at porn, some don't. I'm not going to get worked up about it in the same way that the Mormon church does.



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Porn is definitely a product of culture and not human nature.

Can you name a culture in which there is no porn? I am not aware of any.

Me neither, but then is culture human nature?

If the same feature appears in many different cultures; if there is evidence of that feature appearing in dead cultures, it is probably not just a cultural construct. The odds of biological causality go up. If we see the same feature in related species--bonobos and chimpanzees watch others' sexual activity--then, again, biological determination becomes more likely.

That doesn't mean everyone does it, nor that it assumes the same form either in different cultures or among different individuals, but it indicates that the feature probably did not arise coincidentally.

So true. It correlates well with being biological - porn that is. Interestingly, Chimps have been known to hide sexual activities from dominant individuals as well as form an assembly line behind a reduced number of females in heat.

I suspect when the pairing potential goes up in big fore brained and very social animals porn or the desire to observe socially controlled sexual activities becomes more pronounced.

Peeping Thomas is no doubter.

Porn is a byproduct of the cultural norms of a society. Those norms might be different for each culture which would make porn unique to the culture. Probably a ubiquitous aspect of culture but cultural none the less.

My 90-year old TBM mother has never viewed porn in her life. Recently, she found a stack of PB's in my bed stand. She was visiting my home, and was looking for a blanket - which she normally keeps in her night stand.

A few weeks later, while visiting us again, and With tears in her eyes, she sat me down and had the following conversation, "Son...there is something very serious that I must talk to you about. A few weeks ago, I was looking for a blanket when I was over here. I found something in your night stand that simply appalled me. I could not believe my eyes. You have pornographic magazines there, and don't you know that these things invite the adversary into your home?"

I said, "But, I, uh, I only read it for the great articles."

She said, "I don't believe you, he who looketh upon a woman in such a way, hath already committed adultery in his heart. Please son remove those evil magazines from your home, I beg of you, and then repent of this evil doing."

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahah...I about shizzed my pants during the conversation. She's old, and so I just said, "Of course mother, I will do as you ask...I am so sorry, and yes, I will repent of my sinful ways."

by sitting her down to have a heart-to-heart talk about the things that the great prophets Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, John Taylor, et al, got up to.

"Mom, let me tell you a little story about a young--very young--girl named Fanny. It involves a barn, a lady named Emma and her husband (a guy named Joseph Smith). One day, when Emma went out to the barn...."

I'm sure that at that point your TBM mom would stick her fingers in her ears (literally or figuratively) and start rocking back and forth: "lies, lies...all lies!"

The true history of the church is literally pornographic literature.

"Hey, Heber. Your daughter Helen is becoming quite a fine looking young woman. Remember those revelations I was telling you about? You know, the ones about the new and everlasting covenant and eternal unions. I'd really like Helen to have the opportunity to get married under the new and everlasting covenant to someone who can guarantee her a spot in the highest circle of heaven. I looked around and I realized that this is something I could do for her--and by extension for your whole family. So, you know...right? BTW, the covenant becomes effective upon consummation.... That's my favorite part of the ordinance."

IIRC, her full name was something longer that included the syllable "porn" in it. But she was always happy to introduce herself using her nickname "Porn" (which apparently is a common nickname in Thailand, kind of like "Dick" as a short nickname for people named Richard, or "Betty" for people named Elizabeth).


People got used to it. Nobody stared at her for long periods of time. But people would shake hands with Porn, spend time having lunch with Porn. Sometimes even go to the movies with Porn. Her husband was literally married to Porn and hated being away from Porn for any long period of time and always did his best to spend all of his weekends with Porn. When you went to their home, you could sometimes find Porn in the kitchen, in the bedroom or sometimes even outside in the garden.

So, yeah, that's my story about Porn.

I haven't seen Porn for a long time now. It's been many years and we didn't keep in touch.

Can't remember if she had a nickname. Could very well have been "Porn".

Oh yeah, one foul word about Horny Joe Smith, and mom starts quaking in her boots. Totally agree w/ you the founder, even Horny Joe was the biggest Porn-Horn dog in the business back then. The early church is full of porn, and then Wendy has the nerve to pray before she and Russ engage - what a bunch of BS. I have heard that Ol' Horny Joe even frequented prostitutes while in Nauvoo.

Must admit that I am a sinner but Jesus is my savior. I am doing better thanks to grace.

I watch porn less and less (once a month maybe) because when I see all the Eastern European get into action with porn legends like italian stallion Rocco I only see young women who will regret their actions when they are older. I see it in their eyes and acting, it is narcissism and lack of judgement in full action.

One of the women who acted with Rocco during the 1990s lived in the same town as me, she later committed suicide. Met her twice at work and she was a very mild and friendly women.

i don't and never have. admit i am female but still think it's sick. i have better things to do as does everyone else IMO

I checked it out once, trying to figure out what the big deal was. It was educational, for a few minutes. Then it became sort of same-o same-o and I got bored.

I have no need to ever check it out again.

I don’t get why it’s interesting to watch someone else have sex.

Greyfort Wrote:
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> I don’t get why it’s interesting to watch
> someone else have sex.

I enjoy romance movies and I don't get why it’s so interesting and entertaining to watch someone else have a romance.

Naw.

I've seen it. Like greyfort, it got boring really fast

Same here. Yawn.

The most interesting stuff I've ever seen along that line was the "adults only" section in the ruins at Pompeii.

I was at a museum that is famous for being one of the largest collections of ancient Egyptian, Greek and Roman antiquities. In one of the rooms of really ancient Greek vases etc, several of the pieces of art had very graphic depictions that some people would call port now. Lots of people carefully looking at what people a few thousand years thought was important enough to put on what at the time were very costly vases. I spent several minutes trying to decipher the story on one of the vases and did not notice there was a very prim looking woman who was also enjoying the art, she looked up at me blushed and gave me a very knowing look and a smile. Some girls do.

Yes, the ancient classical stuff was racy by today's standards. Of course society was much more permissive in general. People would engage sexually in public places; few were as constrained as Caesar's wife.

The most graphic stuff I have ever seen, however, was Inca ceramics in museums in Lima and Cuzco. I was walking through one museum with some older women and after inspecting the exhibits, which portrayed about every combination of people conceivable, one worldly lady said, "Yup, it's all there. Every single thing."

It's shocking, shocking I say, what those Lamanites got up to.

If you think the Inca stuff was wild, you should check out the Moche Pottery.

Although that may have actually been what you were looking at.

I'm sure it was.

It was in a couple of the big museums and it included every sort of sex imaginable with various numbers and combinations of people. I just don't know the precise definitions of peoples and time frames.

I was also surprised that the older lady was familiar with the various configurations. Perhaps she was as uninhibited as the artists who crafted those ceramics!

They were really into it all in a big way....

Of course they also got completely destroyed by a volcano, so there is that...

The volcano killed the kinky people, but preserved the kinky murals. Makes it a bit confusing when you're trying to decipher what message God was sending with that little volcano-mail communication.

You have to watch before you can stop.

I haven't looked at any today or for a few days. Not even anything suggestive or humanistic or salacious. We're not animals all the time, lol!

Our better nature should steer us to read something educational.

The OP question depends on how you define porn. Generally it is considered to be what most men like.

It should also include what most women like to fantasize about in men. Most nights, my wife watches 5 hours of cop shows and home shows and shows about the rich and famous. Then she reads romance novels before going to bed.

The cop shows have her fantasy tough guys - alpha males, with lots of violence. One show on primetime ABC - open the frig and there's a head on the top shelf. Another show with someone shooting a guy at point blank range and blood splattering all over the window. Not considered obscene, of course, because no female areola visible.

The romance novels have the same strong mystery guys she likes.

The home shows have fancy houses and furnishings she dreams of, and the construction guys that can make that happen.

And she likes the rich and famous and powerful - fantasize about having all that.

All of which makes her husband pale in comparison, which is supposedly the problem with the other kind of "porn" - it makes women feel inadequate.

And the standard porn supposedly takes away from relationships, but somehow 5 hours of TV fantasy doesn't?

The porn men look at supposedly objectifies women, but so does the fantasies women look at - men are but a source of money, status, power, homes, muscle or whatever.

The divorces I've seen are the wives being dissatisfied with the money their guy made.

Anyway, we live in a gynocentric, misandrist society, so porn is defined as a primarily male problem, in order to give women more power and monopoly control over men's sexuality. Which is why so many women consider such images as disgusting. As stated above, "i don't and never have. admit i am female but still think it's sick."

If men were smart, we'd start labeling women's fantasies as sick, smut, filth, disgusting, and use the law to make them obscene. No more advertisements for nice furniture, etc. Women would have to hide shopping flyers under their mattresses, and seek counseling from the bishop, with potential disciplinary action, public shaming, and divorce if caught looking at such.

That would force women to beg from her man anytime she wanted something, like men have to beg for sex (and get wacked whenever his eyes stray, which is considered funny).

I doubt the hate and bigotry against men will end. Misandry everywhere by haters. We are to "be a man" and take it.

I expect the misandrists will now chime in.

I'm not sure why you continue in a relationship with a woman.

Go....be Free!

Free Man's first sentence reads:

"The OP question depends on how you define porn."

That sentence is absolutely true. Per Playboy back in the 1980s and 1990s, whether or not a movie or book is considered pornography under law depends on whether or not the work has artistic merit outside of assuaging lascivious and prurient desires. The late U.S. Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart got so exasperated trying to define artistic merit that he once classically wrote about porn: "I know it when I see it."

The LDS church and most other evangelical religions view any material of sexual nature as being pornography, but most of the rest of U.S. society now considers publications such as Playboy not to be pornographic.

As a totally blind person, I've had access to the braille version of Playboy since the late 1970s (with a few years taken off when a Republican Congress refused to fund its production because of its "pornographic" content). While there are no pictures in the braille version, one should check out the Scratch and Sniff pages (just kidding--I like to say that to get a rise out of people). Not only does the braille version of the magazine not include pictures, but because of postal regulations regarding third class mailings, it doesn't include any advertising either. Even without the pictures and the ads, each month's issue comes in anywhere between three and six braille volumes.

Until I got a computer, I never viewed any of the harder-edged stuff. However, since I've had my own computer, I've occasionally gone in and listened to some of the more X-rated material, hoping to hear what I used to hear from my parents' bedroom when my father was alive. Yes, it's boring, but there are times when I need a release...

Going back to the subject of the OP, no, not all people have viewed pornography. Most women have no interest in it, and there are males, even in modern U.S. society who just don't have the means available to view it.
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> The OP question depends on how you define porn.
> Generally it is considered to be what most men
> like.
>
> It should also include what most women like to
> fantasize about in men. Most nights, my wife
> watches 5 hours of cop shows and home shows and
> shows about the rich and famous. Then she reads
> romance novels before going to bed.
>
> The cop shows have her fantasy tough guys - alpha
> males, with lots of violence. One show on
> primetime ABC - open the frig and there's a head
> on the top shelf. Another show with someone
> shooting a guy at point blank range and blood
> splattering all over the window. Not considered
> obscene, of course, because no female areola
> visible.
>
> The romance novels have the same strong mystery
> guys she likes.
>
> The home shows have fancy houses and furnishings
> she dreams of, and the construction guys that can
> make that happen.
>
> And she likes the rich and famous and powerful -
> fantasize about having all that.
>
> All of which makes her husband pale in comparison,
> which is supposedly the problem with the other
> kind of "porn" - it makes women feel inadequate.
>
> And the standard porn supposedly takes away from
> relationships, but somehow 5 hours of TV fantasy
> doesn't?
>
> The porn men look at supposedly objectifies women,
> but so does the fantasies women look at - men are
> but a source of money, status, power, homes,
> muscle or whatever.
>
> The divorces I've seen are the wives being
> dissatisfied with the money their guy made.
>
> Anyway, we live in a gynocentric, misandrist
> society, so porn is defined as a primarily male
> problem, in order to give women more power and
> monopoly control over men's sexuality. Which is
> why so many women consider such images as
> disgusting. As stated above, "i don't and never
> have. admit i am female but still think it's
> sick."
>
> If men were smart, we'd start labeling women's
> fantasies as sick, smut, filth, disgusting, and
> use the law to make them obscene. No more
> advertisements for nice furniture, etc. Women
> would have to hide shopping flyers under their
> mattresses, and seek counseling from the bishop,
> with potential disciplinary action, public
> shaming, and divorce if caught looking at such.
>
> That would force women to beg from her man anytime
> she wanted something, like men have to beg for sex
> (and get wacked whenever his eyes stray, which is
> considered funny).
>
> I doubt the hate and bigotry against men will end.
> Misandry everywhere by haters. We are to "be
> a man" and take it.
>
> I expect the misandrists will now chime in.

Thanks for your perspective!

My husband and I met on a now defunct "adult" site. I was among many women there. He didn't have a lot of money back then-- and took home about $600 a month, because he was paying his ex wife a lot of child support. This year, we will have known each other for twenty years. Yes, he's doing a lot better financially, but his finances had nothing to do with my decision to marry him. I think FreeMan is hanging out with the wrong kinds of women... or he's just a very jaded person.

Personally, I find porn videos mostly very boring. I'd rather read, or better yet, write, something dirty.

I'm not sure why you post this stuff. If your wife finds you unattractive and unable to provide adequately for her, that is unfortunate. But generalizing your misfortunes to the rest of society is as silly as a deaf person denouncing music as unenjoyable. This site is full of people in loving relationships who find it curious that you insist on denying their experiences and insisting that yours is the human reality.

Why is it that people who espouse MGTOW--men going their own way--won't "go their own way" but rather insist on blaming others and staying put in situations they don't like? Doesn't being a "man" in these circumstances mean you should leave? Take responsibility for yourself and go find a woman more to your liking or no woman at all?

Go your own way. Go be happy.

Either that, or perhaps he could change his moniker to "Not Free Man"

Yes. He seems unwilling or unable to exercise his freedom.

That's too bad. It seems they'd probably both be better off apart.

Some of the "happiest couples" I know love making each other miserable. Its a thing.

Yes, I agree. For some people pain is attractive.

But most don't then turn around and blame their spouse's entire gender, putting themselves in the role of hapless victim to a universal conspiracy.

Staying in a bad relationship is a choice. People who do so should be courageous enough to accept personal responsibility for doing so.

Most men have looked at porn. I had my stash of dirty magazines like every other kid. When porn was available on home video we watched some of that too.

I never got obsessed with porn. Some people do but then some people eat too much pizza and ice cream and get fat.

People like naked bodies and people like sex. There is over 7 billion people on this planet for a reason. We be a horny bunch.

Liars have never looked at any porn ever.

Koan worthy Don. Love it.

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> Liars have never looked at any porn ever.

Ha! Ha! Maybe that’s the church’s angle. They know every guy looks at porn so they push the porn issue because they are looking for people who will lie for the Lord.

The church is looking for people who can tell others with a straight face they know the church is true and that the Book of Mormon is a true record of ancient America.

If you admit to watching porn in and interview you get flagged as being a lousy liar and too honest and the church has no use for you.

It's probably also a means of instilling guilt. The church wants its members to feel inadequate, to feel damned, so that they need the church in order to attain ultimate forgiveness. That sense of guilt motivates people to give more of their time, money, and willful blindness and hence is highly valuable.

Mormonism has many ways to instill that guilt, but condemning natural sexuality is a compelling one--and in the case of most men. . .

My brother who is now exmo has claimed the more he tried to get help with his porn problem the more responsibility Mormon leaders heaped upon him. Seems like that is there solution.

I don't. What's the point? I have a functioning imagination and can visualize whatever it is I need to at a given moment without someone else's help. Porn is essentially outsourcing your own mental activity to someone else.

The industry is well regulated in the states. Everyone getting into action are protected and the punishment for doing wrong to actresses are heavy. The United States knows it stuff. I am proud.

Why watch porn when you can do it (for free). It's work for them and it is just work and the free stuff yuck.

In Europe it’s out in the open at book and magazine stores. It’s a everyday thing there.
When Playgirl first came out, I and my friend bought a copy , to see if it was like the playboy version.
I was too embarrassed to buy it, so I waited outside the store in the mall.
My friend came out with her little bag. She looked embarrassed and said that the guy ringing her up said to her. “ Enjoy your magazine “. We were both laughing then.

Hockey rat Wrote:
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> In Europe it’s out in the open at book and
> magazine stores. It’s a everyday thing there.
> When Playgirl first came out, I and my friend
> bought a copy , to see if it was like the playboy
> version.
> I was too embarrassed to buy it, so I waited
> outside the store in the mall.
> My friend came out with her little bag. She looked
> embarrassed and said that the guy ringing her up
> said to her. “ Enjoy your magazine “. We were
> both laughing then.

Ha! I bought a Porn magazine when I was a teenager at Penn Station in NYC. The guy selling me the mag does this tossing motion with his fist and goes,”don’t wear it out.” Ha! Ha!

Well in the 80’s NYC is where all the kids would go to do and get all the forbidden stuff. You could buy anything there regardless of your age.

I don't view porn. I have seen it and it doesn't really interest me, but I don't have any problem with anyone else viewing it if it interests them. To each his own.

I have seen porn (past tense). Not going to pretend I haven't.

But I don't view porn (present tense). Basically, what Devoted Exmo said.

Porn can kickstart a fantasy. Just like an image in a magazine or daytime show, whatever. A beautiful woman/man can launch the imagination.

It's a quick tool to do the deed. It isn't needed but can help.

A lot of times someone isn't in the mood to take care of you at the same time.

Yes, porn is just two strangers, following some scripting having sex. That's it. The only difference is they don't age. Just always, the same gal ready for business.

Porn saves money. It's free usually. It is empty of any other needs besides the objective. No begging involved. Never gets tired. Ready when you are.

All the fantasy of porn can again be all created in the mind accomplishing the same thing. Providing an outlet for whatever you aren't getting in life with very very small footprint on your wallet.

Involve a real person to help out other than your spouse tends to ruin what you have and is life changing. Not always for the better.


You never get diseases from porn. If you screwed a porn actor you probably less likely to get any STDs vs the hottie down at the bar that's been wanting to jump your bones for awhile.

I am human, and I do not view porn.

If I accidentally stumble upon a porn site during an internet search, I quickly get away from the site.

Porn disgusts me.

It also disgusts me that this is how some men choose to see women. I think most porn is degrading to women.

But that is just me.

Lois

I've seen plenty of nudity and erotic scenes in films or on television. It makes sense if it's part of the story.

I understand it's something that's just hardwired in guys and they have a link between a visual image and sex.

These Australian male beetles kept trying to mate with a stubby beer bottle that to them resembled a desirable large female beetle:

https://www.livescience.com/16331-discoverers-beetle-beer-bottle-sex.html

...my boss used to get all squirrely and freaked-out when I used to bring my Bettie Page lunchbox to work..............he was wanting me to hide it, or take it home.


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