If we don't respect the Mormons, regardless of how silly/stupid, or hurtful they are to people...

How can we expect them to respect our choices & actions, our spirituality (or lack thereof), etc.

I think most Mormons are 'trying' to do good things, but the indoctrination they've been exposed to is overwhelming them, even considering that they want to make good choices & do good actions.

If someone sends me the name & address of the court/judge in her case, I'll write & send a ltr explaining how there is no feedback loop in the MORMON church for complaints & hurtful actions - as 'friend of the court' Amicus curiae...


Who wants a world where people aren't responsible for their choices & actions? Not Me.

GNPE Wrote:
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> If we don't respect the Mormons,


I only respect individuals. Apparently, there are no "Mormons" to respect anymore anyhow.

the attendees at GC are individuals.

they are individuals who go there to listen to the GAs & other authorized speakers, to schmooze with others, show off their new cars, new clothes, new hairdos, etc.

me: Even tho they've been bamboozled by Mormon Indoctrination, they still deserve respect.

If U / anyone wishes to disagree, that's fine with me.

GNPE Wrote:
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> me: Even tho they've been bamboozled by Mormon
> Indoctrination, they still deserve respect.

YES!

How many of us awesome folks here waltz into various places of business and worship, just to BOTHER people, DISTURB and show our asses?

C'mon.

Crystal needs to get a life. No one is stopping her from being an ACTUAL good person.

No one except Crystal knew she was only going to cat call the GA/Profit. She was a THREAT until they could assess that she is simply an idiot.

She's a fool to the max.

It is supremely uncool to FRIGHTEN people for one's own selfish, attention-seeking, unbalanced self.

"How many of us awesome folks here waltz into various places of business and worship, just to BOTHER people, DISTURB and show our asses?"

I don't know what "show our asses" means in this context but I've gone to many a theater and had people bother and disturb me with their talking to the show.

Same thing here. People make scenes in public all the time without going to trial for disturbing people's peace.

Elder Berry Wrote:
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>
> Same thing here. People make scenes in public all
> the time without going to trial for disturbing
> people's peace.

Some of us (not you) are grateful for the law.

If you do not care for the law, or deem it does not apply to you or those you regard as above the law, it does not matter. (Thankfully!!!)

The law and associated precedents do not give a F what you think.

This is how society stays lawful despite distracted, biased, erroneous individuals such as yourself.

To quote the Utah law (which you do not care about):

"10-8-50. Disturbing the peace -- Public intoxication -- Fighting -- Obscene language -- Disorderly conduct -- Lewd behavior -- Interference with officers -- Trespass.
(1) Boards of commissioners and city councils of cities may provide for the punishment of any person or persons for:
(a) disturbing the peace or good order of the city;
(b) disturbing the peace of any person or persons;
(c) disturbing any lawful assembly;
(d) public intoxication;
(e) challenging, encouraging, or engaging in fighting;
(f) using obscene or profane language in a place or under circumstances which could cause a breach of the peace or good order of the city;
(g) engaging in indecent or disorderly conduct;
(h) engaging in lewd or lascivious behavior or conduct in the city; and
(i) interfering with any city officer in the discharge of his duty."

Crystal is obviously in legal jeopardy (at a minimum) of Statues 10-8-50 a., b., and c.

If you are so sure she is charged without merit, then show up as a witness to her credibility! Challenge the courts!

But don't be surprised when the 'rule of law', which you want LESS OF smacks your butt down to size and tells you that your pedestrian, plebeian opinion doesn't count for f all and you must remain SILENT.

At least you have ex Mo boards to voice your uneducated opinion, right?



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Unedumacated.

Separate but equal.

Where is the problem?

She took a risk. She chose a provocative, bad manners, ridiculous behavior.

She gets what she gets. Trial, gossip, slander.

And Crystal's favorite result: ATTENTION!

She knows better than anyone what it is to attempt to slander someone's reputation.

She cannot control the possible reaction and results of her actions.

That's the FUN part of acting a fool! Whoop! Whoop!

Further, if she bleats that she is a VICTIM, she deserves scorn. Better to show she can dish out her garbage and receive the same.



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carameldreams Wrote:
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> Better to show she can dish out
> her garbage and receive the same.

Some people's disenfranchised garbage is another's good action. Humans think they have far more control of themselves and judge others with their own sense of personal control.

In the theater of human life, this is not something in my opinion to judge as harshly as you seem to be judging.

Elder Berry Wrote:
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> carameldreams Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Better to show she can dish out
> > her garbage and receive the same.
>
> Some people's disenfranchised garbage is another's
> good action. Humans think they have far more
> control of themselves and judge others with their
> own sense of personal control.
>
> In the theater of human life, this is not
> something in my opinion to judge as harshly as you
> seem to be judging.

It is quite a nothing to restrain oneself from frightening others. Period.

Thankfully, she didn’t shoot anyone or otherwise assault.

She is not brave. She is a buffoon.

Thankfully, laws are in place to school ones like crystal and set an example.

We just disagree. LDS people in my opinion are raised with things like sustaining vote, testimony meeting, lots of meetings and other things that give the appearance of giving them a voice where the truth is they are encouraged to shut up at sustain all the abuse.

This wasn't a movie theater. If you gave more to context and less to rule of law...

Elder Berry Wrote:
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> We just disagree. LDS people in my opinion are
> raised with things like sustaining vote, testimony
> meeting, lots of meetings and other things that
> give the appearance of giving them a voice where
> the truth is they are encouraged to shut up at
> sustain all the abuse.
>
> This wasn't a movie theater. If you gave more to
> context and less to rule of law...

Why should we give less to rule of law?!!!

Do you want cults to run unhindered by the law? Join the FLDS then!

Unbelievable.

It does not matter that you think LDS folk are oh, so damaged and they cannot know how to behave and must react from their programming and cannot help themselves but to shout out and FRIGHTEN those who never oppressed said individual.

Crystal is not unique. She had a bad experience with Mormon. She could have left in dignity or developed a Podcast or cruise or vlog or blog or $$$ but instead, she fancies herself beacon of all things righteous except she cannot abide the law.

Just as Joseph & Co. deemed themselves above the law.

Never changes.

carameldreams Wrote:
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> Unbelievable.

Well, I have my confirmation. With you there is never cause for breaking a law?

I obviously touched a nerve and I knew I might.

We all work with in a contextually relevant understanding and emotional connection to the environments we inhabit. I don't expect you to agree with me but you can't do it civilly.

"Do you want cults to run unhindered by the law? Join the FLDS then!"

Um, yeah right. For someone so enamored with the law civility seems a given, right?

Or should I say you are frightening me in your directive to join a group my grandfather once headed. Maybe being a grandson of Rulon Jeffs has muddled my head?



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Almost all important changes to bring equality to our society started with protest. She knew what she was doing. She'll have to face some kind of response, but change never comes from acquiescence.

Devoted Exmo Wrote:
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> Almost all important changes to bring equality to
> our society started with protest.

Why does the LDS church have to change?

Because YOU say so?

LDS church doesn't have to do anything. Change or otherwise.

Why do you say anyone or any entity has to change?

I didn't say LDS has to change.

carameldreams Wrote:
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> Devoted Exmo Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Almost all important changes to bring equality
> to
> > our society started with protest.
>
> Why does the LDS church have to change?
>
> Because YOU say so?
>
> LDS church doesn't have to do anything. Change or
> otherwise.
>
> Why do you say anyone or any entity has to change?

I think it is self-evident it must change.

Apart from the immense pain sexual assault and child abuse cause people:

* Sexual asaault is against the law.
* The church had inadequate safeguards (impossible to prevent completely, but possible to minimize)
* These stories drive people away.
* Which reduces tithing.
* The RC Church, the most powerful on Earth, has been severely damaged by failing to handle this issue properly.

Denham has issues. That's clear. Unfortunately Denham is not alone. There are other incidents. I attended a priesthood training session a while back in which it was painfully obvious that our stake did not have proper safeguards. One of the other wards had a sex offender on its books. The guy sitting next to me said, rightly in my view that if we have known rapists and abusers among us, they should not be allowed into the chapels or to have any contact with vulnerable people or children. I agreed.

That’s what the numbers say if you look at them. If 4% of the population are sociopaths and sociopaths project a rosy image, certainly there’s a percentage of the ward, unbeknownst to you, that has no business around kids. Some of these smiling sick fux could be molesting their own children like a guy in my ward was. There’s something about boundary-dissolving Mormon culture that encourages inappropriate trust. That should be balanced by policies designed to protect against the fringe. The rest of society is catching on. The church isn’t. That’s why the protests, which the church should be thankful for. They could save so much money on future lawsuits.

“Why does the LDS church have to change?”

Are you suggesting they should remain brain dead troglodytes?

The way civil disobedience works is to provoke a reaction, like the cops arresting protesters, only to have them replaced by more protesters. So if the game is played correctly, this should become a regular thing. In the grand scheme of ruined lives, spending time in jail is hardly punishment.

(once more)

Someone from SL area:

Please tell us the case number & court name/address.


I salute her for speaking as a matter of conscience, but if she takes responsibility, that will give her & her message more cred!



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It appears that the court records, while public, are behind a pay wall.

Case Lookup
Third District Court
To learn the status of a case filed in 3rd District Court call 801/238-7300 or visit utcourts.gov/records/ to learn more about accessing court records.

If you wanted to, you could PM her on Reddit. I won't put her reddit name here, but it's easy to find, over on r/exmormon.

Here..I suggest next time: especially the last item..

Common actions that do not constitute disturbing the peace can include:

Engaging in horseplay;
Simply embarrassing someone;
Merely annoying someone;
Accidentally bumping into someone; and
Giving someone a gesture such as the middle finger.

If deluded people respect someone, it's no compliment.

I don't care for people who have to insert Amen or hallelujah when someone else is speaking.

Amen to that!

Saying amen is offensive to me.

Hallelujah!

Couldn't she pick a better case to highlight than the nutcase Denson who has committed fraud in assorted ways?

Crystal says Bishop admitted in Denson's interview that he raped her.
https://www.inquisitr.com/4853859/lds-church-woman-speaks-on-why-she-yelled-stop-protecting-sexual-predators-at-mormon-prophets/

No he didn't. Why is that lie so often repeated?



https://mormonleaks.io/wiki/documents/f/fd/2017-Joseph_L_Bishop-Transcript.pdf

[quote]Do you remember the movies in the basement? The DVD, the VHS player and the TV? No. Do you remember tearing my blouse, pulling up my skirt, ripping the back of my skirt and trying to rape me? But you didn't, because you didn't have a full erection. You don't remember that?

No. Let me tell you what I do remember.

Okay. Do you know who I am?

No. I don't. Are you, yeah I do. ...................... [/quote]

Once again you demonstrate a willful refusal to understand the legal definition of rape.

She thought he couldn't rape her because he didn't have a "full erection." When the police subsequently heard what happened, they said it counted as rape. Why? Because YOU DON'T NEED A "FULL ERECTION" TO COMMIT RAPE.

“The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.”

https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/blog/updated-definition-rape

Do you get it yet? Of course not. Because you don't want to.



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Oh, so it’s that Crystal and it’s all about that he said she said drama. McKenna has all the credibility of a rambling bag lady. I would hope that Crystal had more, but it doesn’t look promising.

I like my theory that they were paid to fall on their swords. But more likely is that the missionaries are recruiting crazies because nobody else will give them the time of day.