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Posted by: anybody ( )
Date: May 29, 2019 06:43AM

https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2019/05/28/christian-writer-insists-theres-no-sex-in-heaven-in-case-you-were-wondering/

The question you’ve all been wondering has finally been answered.

Do people have sex in Heaven? Absolutely not!

At least that’s the response from Greg Morse, a staff writer for the website Desiring God, who previously blasted the feminist “insanity” in Captain Marvel and said that “effeminate” men won’t get into Heaven at all.

Morse says he was recently talking to an “avid admirer of women’s company” who mentioned that the supposed Islamic belief in 72 virgins sounded very appealing. Which is totally the sort of conversation normal people have around a Christian writer… and is very believable since people who have lots of sex always talk about how much fun virgins are.

Anyway, Morse said there’s no sex in Heaven — much to the man’s surprise — because God has something way, way better in store for everyone.

I have need to remind myself: All that is sweet in human marriage to my coheir on this earth will not be ultimately lost but transformed. The new depth of intimacy I will have with my Lord — and every other saint, including my spouse — will look back on the caterpillar of earthly joys with fondness but not longing. And this makes marriage, and the intoxication of sexual intimacy, all the sweeter now.

We enjoy our candy now, and as we do, we grow in our trust in the Father who knows how to give good — the best gifts — to his children. Our heaven does not offer sexual pleasure, but it offers that which makes sexual pleasure obsolete.

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Posted by: babyloncansuckit ( )
Date: May 29, 2019 07:55AM

Maybe it’s like that scene in Cocoon. “If this is foreplay, I'm a dead man.”

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: May 29, 2019 11:54AM

no sex in heaven ? Better tell that to the muslims.

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Posted by: Eric3 ( )
Date: May 29, 2019 04:20PM

In fact Christian belief on what comes next is highly nonspecific (contrast with Mormon belief). So Morse is going well beyond Christian belief. Perhaps he's expressing his own belief. And dressing it up as having some official status.

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Posted by: notmonotloggein ( )
Date: May 29, 2019 08:12PM

...that there is no sex in heaven.

Matthew 22:30 states, "or in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven."

You are quite mistaken to think this man is going "well beyond Christian belief".

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Posted by: Eric3 ( )
Date: June 03, 2019 04:50PM

1. marriage not sex is the subject of the passage

2. "like the angels in heaven" is pretty nonspecific

3. compare to religions with highly specific beliefs on what comes next, e.g. Mormonism

4. the passage is taken out of context (it's actually a trick question; you omit the question and cite only part of the answer).

5. restore the context, and it's even less specific: the point is NOT to assume (human framed) things

6. now compare Morse's certainty with the actual limits of the text (or any others you'd care to cite), and you come to

7. Morse is going well beyond Christian belief. Perhaps he's expressing his own belief. And dressing it up as having some official status.

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Posted by: notmonotloggein ( )
Date: June 03, 2019 09:55PM

a lot of Christian scholars who would disagree with you.

The standard Christian belief is that there is no sex in heaven...hence the context of that verse. The context is marriage and procreation. Jesus answers that they will be like the angels (angels are created beings who do not reproduce).

On what are you basing your interpretation?

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Posted by: notmonotloggedin ( )
Date: June 04, 2019 11:31AM


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Posted by: Eric3 ( )
Date: June 12, 2019 06:46PM

"a lot of Christian scholars who would disagree with you"

I see you don't cite any :)

"...hence the context of that verse. The context is marriage and procreation"

Nope, the context is a trick question. His answer (and indeed the point) was you can't apply earthly things to heavenly existence.

"Jesus answers that they will be like the angels (angels are created beings who do not reproduce)"

What you have in parens is an interpretation that emphasizes a point not made by Jesus in the text. And misses the point that is in the text.

"The standard Christian belief is that there is no sex in heaven"

Christian texts and traditions have always been vague on this and most specifics of what comes after.

"My Father's House" and "many mansions" and "Heaven" etc. are given. Specifics are not.

Sorry if that bothers you. Tell you what, if it makes you feel any better, that vagueness is equally compatible with the possibility of no sex in heaven. It just doesn't say.

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Posted by: Eric3 ( )
Date: June 12, 2019 07:05PM

Maybe we can avoid getting hung up on sex (I know, right?)

Almost any specific characterization of what comes next goes outside Christian belief.

Are there sweets in Heaven?

Hiking trails?

Candles?

You won't find answers in Christian texts or traditions. No assurance they are in Heaven. Nor that they aren't.

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Posted by: lurking in ( )
Date: May 29, 2019 08:24PM


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Posted by: Amyjo ( )
Date: June 02, 2019 12:30AM

lurking in Wrote:
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> n/t

Depends on what turn you take. With a good GPS system, maybe not.

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Posted by: normdeplume ( )
Date: May 29, 2019 08:37PM

anybody Wrote:
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> Morse notes that the supposed Islamic belief in (martyrs being gifted with) 72 virgins sounded > very appealing.

However, a panel of Arabic language scholars has recently ascertained that the old translation of "virgins" was a serious mistake in the Koran.

They found that the Arabic word in that context actually means "raisins".

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Posted by: cl2 ( )
Date: May 29, 2019 08:41PM


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Posted by: Rubicon ( )
Date: May 29, 2019 09:16PM

How does he know? Did he pay heaven a visit?

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Posted by: dagny ( )
Date: May 31, 2019 10:37AM

He's special. God lets him know stuff like that.

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Posted by: mel ( )
Date: May 31, 2019 11:12AM

dagny Wrote:
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> He's special. God lets him know stuff like that.

Since he's so special in this way, that makes him entitled to charge us all to receive the benefit of his revelations....oh, wait, I think I'm confusing this guy with TSCC....

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Posted by: dagny ( )
Date: May 31, 2019 11:37AM

Right.

Funny how special people who have God's ear have no problem telling everyone else what God thinks about everything. It's almost like God agrees with them on everything!

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Posted by: Roy G Biv ( )
Date: May 31, 2019 11:30AM

"... we grow in our trust in the Father who knows how to give good — "

Knows how to give good what? Why the pause and change of direction in words? Is his view of "no sex in heaven" like Bill Clinton's view of not having sex? That would make sense then.

Jeez.

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Posted by: dagny ( )
Date: May 31, 2019 11:38AM

"I did not have sex with that spirit!"

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Posted by: Roy G Biv ( )
Date: May 31, 2019 11:47AM

Well, they must have cigars in Heaven then.

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Posted by: babyloncansuckit ( )
Date: May 31, 2019 01:00PM

Didn’t God brag about having sex with Mary? “Yeah, she’s super hot. I knocked her up.”

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Posted by: thedesertrat1 ( )
Date: May 31, 2019 03:34PM

That's all right because I am already ready for the hereafter.
I have purchased a $2.00 harp and a $40.00 coal shovel!!
Y'ALL

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Posted by: dagny ( )
Date: May 31, 2019 03:43PM

Snicker

Maybe get a trumpet too in case you get a special calling.
Don't forget the toga gown (dress for success).

Never hurts to take a green apron in case you want to get into the exclusive heaven-clubs.


I'm pretty sure all I will need is a coal shovel, in any religion's version of hell.

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Posted by: got2Breal ( )
Date: June 01, 2019 01:52PM

Since Ian Stevenson has disproven Christian eschatology, this does not concern me in the slightest.

It reminds me of an customized sign I have:

IN HEAVEN THERE IS NO BEER
THAT'S WHY (WE DRINK IT HERE-crossed out)
I'M REINCARNATING!

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Posted by: Amyjo ( )
Date: June 02, 2019 12:28AM

Who really cares what some writer has to say about it?

No one really knows what heaven is going to be like. No one.

He's projecting his own thoughts, and doesn't have a clue what's in store.

If I had to choose what I want it to be like, at least let there be Starbucks, chocolate, and wifi.

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Posted by: scmd1 ( )
Date: June 02, 2019 02:00AM

That's my take as well.

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Posted by: anybody ( )
Date: June 02, 2019 09:30AM

It's the same as arguing if Star Trek Discovery is actually Star Trek or not.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/02/2019 09:33AM by anybody.

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Posted by: Jordan ( )
Date: June 12, 2019 06:55PM

Amyjo Wrote:
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> Who really cares what some writer has to say about
> it?
>
> No one really knows what heaven is going to be
> like. No one.
>
> He's projecting his own thoughts, and doesn't have
> a clue what's in store.
>
> If I had to choose what I want it to be like, at
> least let there be Starbucks, chocolate, and wifi.

Sorry, Amyjo, I believe the Starbucks and the Hershey Bars are in Hell.

Heaven has real Italian coffee bars, and Swiss chocolate.

:D

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Posted by: olderelder ( )
Date: June 02, 2019 11:23AM

Another case of Your Myth Is False, My Myth Is Real.

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Posted by: jacob ( )
Date: June 02, 2019 06:27PM

"Morse says he was recently talking to an “avid admirer of women’s company” who mentioned that the supposed Islamic belief in 72 virgins sounded very appealing. Which is totally the sort of conversation normal people have around a Christian writer… and is very believable since people who have lots of sex always talk about how much fun virgins are."


I spit at my computer when I read this. Funniest thing I've read in a while. I love it when a writer has this kind of wit.

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Posted by: delbertlstapley ( )
Date: June 05, 2019 06:27PM

Of course, we mormons know this guy is all wrong. Making billions of spirit babies from billions of wives for your planet is the mormon way. The CK is nothing but a sex fest for men and an eternal spirit baby pregnancy hell for women. Horney Joe wrote it up this way and had the CK on earth before he died.

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Posted by: anybody ( )
Date: June 05, 2019 07:35PM


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Posted by: Happy_Heretic ( )
Date: June 06, 2019 10:29AM

Sex IS heaven. Both the xtians and the mormons have it wrong.

HH =)

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