I moved away from Utah and left the church about 15 years ago. My siblings remained in Utah and remained active.

I was talking with my sister the other day. She was complaining about profanity and how it's become so pervasive in Utah over the last 4-5 years.

I said, "It's been that way for years out here. I think you get used to it. I don't even notice most of it any more."

"In fact," I said, "the profanity that bothered me the most was when people said, 'Jesus Christ.' I thought that was uncalled for and totally disrespectful. But that doesn't even really bother me much any more."

She said, "Well, of course. You don't have any feelings for Jesus Christ any more."

That really raised my hackles! And I said, "What do you mean? I probably have more positive feelings about Jesus Christ than most Christians do. And certainly I follow his teaching better than most. I can't believe you are saying that!" I think that (if he really existed) he was a leader we all should emulate."

I think she (and others) have a very shallow view of what people think when they leave the church. And we are quite close. I was shocked that she would say such a thing, and I let her know.

Now that we are, generally speaking, all potty-mouths, how on earth do the potty-mouths denote the possible difference between being cut off in traffic by a driver who just realized his/her left turn is coming up and seeing one's friends and family gunned down at an outdoor music concert?

The words are the same, so is it the tone, the timbre, the volume, the repetition?

So I'm not sure what your comment refers to. My whole point was that just because we've left the church, doesn't mean that we become potty mouths or start embracing all the things discouraged by the church rules.

My point is: WHY do church members assume that?
It really bugs me.

(I wouldn't use profanity in either of your scenarios.) I didn't start swearing just because I decided the church wasn't true.

I know what you mean. Leave the church and have one drink and they assume you are an alcoholic.

Some of the least Christlike people I know are Christians.

You handled that situation well.

Oops! My apologies!

See, I HAVE become a potty-mouth! It was a very slow progression but it really accelerated about eight years ago. And now I am one of those people whom I described: the same litany of offensive words pour out of my mouth at the slightest frustration, leaving me no room to escalate! A stubbed toe or the end of the world, I have only one verbal response!

My only salvation is that this only happens when I am alone or with my inamorata, who was my instructor.

In public, I am able to control my tongue, but it sometimes bugs me. I can say, "Oh, dear!" with the best of them.

The younger generation, which appears to describe the vast majority of the 122,000 registered r/exmormon redditors, spew the grossest of language there, as if it were a lingua franca all should hold in common.

Again, I apologize for being so boorish as to not get your exact meaning.

elderolddog Wrote:
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>
> In public, I am able to control my tongue, but it
> sometimes bugs me. I can say, "Oh, dear!" with
> the best of them.

Most people are unaware that expressions like "Oh, dear!" and "Dear Me!" are actually corruptions (anglicizations) of the Italian "O Dio" and "Dio mio!" which literally mean "Oh God!" and "My God!"

In Germany the phrase "Mein Gott!" is very common, even used by pious old grandmothers when the soup isn't hot enough or when she has dropped a needle.
Sexual terms are rarely used as swear words. The most common Bavarian swear word is "Sapperment!" (a corruption of "sacramentum") It has become so weak that it is often stated as "Sapperment nochmal!" ("sacrement again!").

isn't effective as a way of releasing negative energy. If you put two people in a room who are not sensitive to "foul language" there actually is no problem. There always has to be at least one sensitive person present or listening in to make mere words into significant problems.

Mormons hilariously have adopted foul-word equivalents (easily recognizable as such) to deploy as their own expletives of choice.

SHOOT! (Everyone knows it's a substitute for sh*t!)

FUDGE! (Everyone knows it's a substitute for f**k!)

DARN! (Everyone knows it's a substitute for damn!)

GOSH! (Everyone knows it's a substitute for God!)

HECK! (Everyone knows it's a substitute for hell! This one is particularly funny to me. Why do they avoid saying the word hell? Is there some scripture somewhere that says that "thou shalt not take the name of hell in vain? I don't recall there being anything like that.)

And so on...

Why are their expletive substitutes okay, when everyone knows that they have the same intent behind them and that the speakers are going for the same effect?

And while we're on the subject, why is "crap" deemed to be better than sh*t? Sometimes I think everyone is just full of bovine excrement.

"Oh my word!"

elderolddog Wrote:
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> Oops! My apologies!
>
> See, I HAVE become a potty-mouth! It was a very
> slow progression but it really accelerated about
> eight years ago. And now I am one of those people
> whom I described: the same litany of offensive
> words pour out of my mouth at the slightest
> frustration, leaving me no room to escalate! A
> stubbed toe or the end of the world, I have only
> one verbal response!
>
> My only salvation is that this only happens when I
> am alone or with my inamorata, who was my
> instructor.
>
> In public, I am able to control my tongue, but it
> sometimes bugs me. I can say, "Oh, dear!" with
> the best of them.
>
> The younger generation, which appears to describe
> the vast majority of the 122,000 registered
> r/exmormon redditors, spew the grossest of
> language there, as if it were a lingua franca all
> should hold in common.
>
> Again, I apologize for being so boorish as to not
> get your exact meaning.

you make my heart swell with pride mi Vida... You learned

well.

> you make my heart swell
> with pride mi Vida...
> You learned well.


T'was labor of love!

Well, in Utah, (still the same from 15 years ago), mormons put more stock in what you say, than what you do. It's why the sheep fall victims to financial predators that say the right things.

MORmONS can be profanely STUPID

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40kxjBTTQSA

There is NOTHING more profane that MORmON executives willing taking upon themselves the sacred title of "apostle"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52XoDQL8lmg

The saying isn't "Jesus Christ", it's "Jesus H Christ". The mormons don't worship the true Jesus anyway. Maybe the Mormon Jesus is Just some guy from Mexico named Jesus (pronounced Hasus) anyway. He might as well be considering how they've bastardized everything the Jesus of the New Testament stood for and used his name to cash-in on financially, and to hide from their "Mormon" name which now has a bad reputation. If President Nelson gave a rat's ass about the real Jesus, he would be apologizing on behalf of the church and making radical changes to make the church be a friendly place to associate, without anyone being taken advantage of.



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His middle name makes perfect sense when you examine the Horus mythology.

His enemy was Set (who apparently later changed his stage name to Satan).

Horus was a resurrected being. Pre-resurrection he was known as Osiris. Evil Set killed Osiris. But the Holy Mother, Isis, found Osiris's richard and it had enough DNA in it that it could be used to spawn a clone that would be known as Horus, the "son" of Osiris and begotten by Osiris's own richard.

So now we can see where the "H" in Jesus H. Christ comes from.

A quick note on Satan.

That name comes from Indo-European. Satan is Shaaitan in Hindi, meaning "devil," so it is not Semitic.

"Christ" is the same. The Hindi correlate is Krishna, the God who takes on human form. Christ is said to come through Greek, which makes sense since Greek derived from the same proto-Indo-European substrate as Latin and Hittite and Persian and Hindi.

So as you note, the original myths came from Egypt, Canaan, and Mesopotamia Then there is the ca 600 BCE influence from Iran, also Indo-European and reflected in the Book of Job, the Second Book of Daniel, etc. Then finally there was the Hellenic influence in the last centuries BCE.

"Satan" seems to have entered the Jewish tradition during the captivity at around 600 BCE, which would suggest adoption from Zoroastrian Iranian.

I learn so much at RfM!

Thanks Wally and Ms Lot

I seem to recall reading that "Lucifer" came from early Jewish mythology. Lucifer (from what I can recall) started out as a rather benign heavenly being who was something akin to a messenger, not unlike the Roman god Mercury. His identity evolved over time.

I have no idea how Lucifer and Satan became combined.

cuss words. When she wasn't mormon, she was the one who used the F word the most. I have a potty mouth, but it started when I had twins.

I first had a potty mouth when I hoed beets for my dad and I made myself stop. Then I had twins. My "husband" didn't like that I cussed. I cuss the most when working--cussing at the poor dictation habits of doctors. My dogs leave the room as they know what is coming.

It’s scientifically proven that cursing raises pain tolerance. I’ll bet there was plenty of salty talk in the handcart companies.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-athletes-way/201705/swearing-can-boost-strength-and-reduce-the-sensation-pain

Clean version:

Betty: "My dear Louis, why are your brows furrowed with lines of worry?"

Louis: "Well, Betty, this handcart that we purchased based on the recommendation from the Prophet Brigham Young appears to be of somewhat lower quality construction and materials than we believed and now I have noticed a cracking phenomenon appearing in the left wheel and I have some degree of uncertainty as to whether the wheel will hold up for the duration of our journey. This is most concerning and is a matter that is best taken up with our Heavenly Father in an attitude of humble prayer and beseeching."

Real Version:

Betty: "Louis, you look to be gettin' in one of those nasty moods! What's the trouble?"

Louis: @#!$!! $#&@@@!!! Brigham ^%$%@! Young...that pompous assw!@3pe! He done sold us some dirty rotten !@#@@%^!!! And I bet ya anythin' we all gonna die on account of it! #@$%!!

babyloncansuckit Wrote:
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> It’s scientifically proven that cursing raises
> pain tolerance. I’ll bet there was plenty of
> salty talk in the handcart companies.

If done correctly it makes a person breathe, so .....

So WHAT is more profane than MORmONISM ???

There is the MORmON version of the Jesus character.

The Jesus character has to agree, before mortality, to be brutally tortured to death in mortality ......and to endure some incomprehensible agony of the MORmON version of the incomprehensible atonement in order to make every thing work and to keep Heavenly Father and eternal law happy .......OH and BTW HF is great guy besides His personal penchant and insistence for His ONLY Son to endure incomprehensible agony !!!! and letting a third of the spirits children wander off to irredeemable permanent condemnation !!! despite the fact that Jesus is going through incomprehensible agony for the atonement anyway!!!!! ......All that done in the interest of preserving all important free agency !!!!! Then when mortality has trundled along for thousands of years, MORmON Jesus has to coerce POOR POOR Joseph Smith into "marrying" teen age girls ...... Screwing Free agency so much like what Joseph SMith is compelled to do to his teen age plural brides !!!!

MORmONISM is PROFANE!!! MORmONISM is PROFANITY !!! IT is the ultimate PROFANITY !!! of Christianity !!! GO AHEAD!!!! try to top MORmONISM in PROFANITY!!!! I DARE ANYONE !!!! I CHALLENGE YOU !!!!!

people might have caught the gist of my post.

The point was that my Utah sister assumed that I didn't care about Jesus Christ because I'd left the Mormon church.

I think with a lot of mormons, either you are "with them" or "against them", it's very black and white. If you aren't mormon anymore, you have abandoned ALL their teachings and can't possibly care about Jesus anymore because they "obviously" teach the best stuff about him.

If Jesus came back the way he was, the Mormons would sell the nails and wood to crucify him.

Right after Jesus whipped the MOReMONey changer ASSpostHOLES out of their temple. But first he would have Sandra Tanner baptize Him in the fountain on temple square.

Jesus Christ is a Greek title for Him. When the title is used as a swear word, it's the same as, for example: " Vice President of the United States!"The title isn't the real name.

valkyriequeen Wrote:
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> Jesus Christ is a Greek title for Him. When the
> title is used as a swear word, it's the same as,
> for example: " Vice President of the United
> States!"The title isn't the real name.

Jesus Fucking Christ !!!! the MORmON version!!! who had to have polygamy!!!

......and the Regular one !!! are you kidding ????? so it's a made up title for a person that never really lived !!!

Yep, it's a title; with a shock factor equivalent to: "Shut the front door". :D