"CORVALLIS, Ore. – PRESS RELEASE – Oregon State University officials announced plans today (Thursday, June 13) to launch the nation’s largest research center devoted to the study of hemp, and announced that OSU will begin certifying hemp seed for planting in Oregon."
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To hell in a hemp handbasket I tell you !

What is the LD$ position on this ?

"What is the LD$ position on this ?"

Not sure, but, if you transport hemp in heavily Mormon Idaho, they will arrest you.

With farmers in Oregon and Colorado, there won’t be a need to truck it across the vast Mormon wasteland.

will arrest you. You just have to have the right people bringing it in like my ex who looks like the perfect little mormon and can talk himself out of any ticket he has ever been pulled over for.

The 2018 farm bill legalized hemp farming. Now it’s the states that have to catch up.

form of medical marijuana was passed and then the legislature did something to mess it up. I should keep up with it, but I haven't. Goes to show you that if that could pass in Utah, that mormons aren't listening to their leaders.

Yes, the other states have to catch up. Utah will do everything they can to stop it, but it is coming.

You're kind of right. MMJ was passed by referendum, and the State is messing it up. However, Hemp is an entirely different subject and matter.

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> form of medical marijuana was passed

so, a state-level referendum can bypass the Food and Drug Administration and approve medication without rigorous peer-controlled testing for safety and efficacy?

does this apply only to cannabis? can drug companies do the same? can Pfizer use a referendum to put a new cholesterol drug on the ballot in Alabama without the drug going through the FDA approval process? ?

The plant has been used as medicine for thousands of years before there even was a FDA. It only became illegal because one government bureaucrat had a virulent hatred of blacks. Yup, real history and Harry Anslinger. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rOn5e6oi-0U

Way to go Utah for keeping the hate alive. I knew you guys would come through.

babyloncansuckit Wrote:
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> The plant has been used as medicine for thousands
> of years before there even was a FDA.

so we now approve medicines by appeals to tradition? how ... conservative.

thousands of years ago, Egyptian women used crocodile dung as pessaries to prevent pregnancy. should we follow this ancient medial tradition as well?

for thousands of years, people ingested and rubbed liquid mercury on their bodies to treat a wide range of ailments. should we follow this ancient wisdom?

can Pfizer bypass the FDA by claiming that a drug contains ingredients that were used for thousands of years?


>It only
> became illegal because one government bureaucrat
> had a virulent hatred of blacks. Yup, real history
> and Harry Anslinger.


nice try but marijuana was regulated and restricted before Anslinger was born. to quote from his wikipedia page

>Restrictions on cannabis (Cannabis Sativa, often called "Indian Hemp" in documents before the 1940s) as a drug started in local laws in New York in 1860. This was followed by local laws in many other states and by state laws in the 1910s and 1920s.[5] The federal Pure Food and Drug Act of 1906 regulated the labeling of patent medicines that contained "cannabis indica". In 1925 United States supported regulation of "Indian hemp" as use as a drug, in the International Opium Convention.[6] Recommendations from the International Opium Convention inspired the work with the Uniform State Narcotic Act between 1925 and 1932.

according to the Wikipedia page for "Timeline of Cannabis Law"


- Cannabis was outlawed across Arabia in 1300 by Emir Soudoun Sheikouni,

- Cannabis was outlawed in Madagascar in 1787 by King Andrianampoinimerina who enforced execution for violators

- The Ottoman Empire banned cannabis in Egypt in 1877

- Greece banned cannabis in 1890

- Mexico banned Cannabis in 1920

- Canada banned cannabis in 1923

...so was a an evil racist American white man responsible for all these laws?

and to quote from the wikipedia page for Johann Hari (the guy who made the Anslinger claims on Joe Rogan's show)

>In 2011 Hari lost his position as a columnist at The Independent as a consequence of plagiarism, which he subsequently apologized for, and making pejorative edits to the Wikipedia pages of journalists who had criticised his conduct.

I've liked Joe Rogan since he was on NewsRadio, but the dude says he takes drugs and enters another dimension where he talks to "machine elves". funny as a comedian, questionable as a source of information

Just acknowledge your identity with Jordan. Not only is your politics identical, so too is your ponderous writing style, the way you present your sources and--wait for it--the way you tack on additional posts under your originals instead of simply editing those originals.

And the Clark Kent glasses don't help either.

It's ridiculous. The man can't keep his personalities straight.

And his reverence for the state. My heavens, most of the Junkers died over a century ago but no, we have to have one.

Is he sockpuppeting ?

Yes.

He was originally Jordan and posted as such seven years ago. He had one of those two post removed recently; it identified him as living in Calgary and being married. Then he disappeared.

Next came Canuck Exmo, who was around for a few years.

Then came Hwint. Hwint appears to post from a different IP address but his views and traumatic syntax are the same.

Then Jordan came back, alternately criticizing the US and talking about about living up north. When I pointed out that he was the same as the original Jordan, he denied it and said he'd never been married and thinks marriage is a mistake because women take too much money upon divorce, adding that he never said he is Canadian. But he posts at North American times, says he is Caucasian, and uses Canadian phrases like "X is different to Y." The Who wrote a song about him: "meet the new Jordan, same as the old Jordan. We won't get fooled again."

Then came LogicalCanuckExmo (as if we wouldn't notice the recycled name), who kept chiming in on Jordan's threads and applauding his statements. I noted that the posts were virtually alike and the mods expunged this obvious sock puppet.

So now there are only Jordan the Canadian, Hwint the shadow, and Jordan-the-not-Canadian Canadian. For whatever reason, J-man thinks he needs someone else to vindicate his views--and if no one wants to play that role, he is more than willing to provide the echo himself.

Here, Dave, is an example.

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In the current thread on "weird people," Jordan writes at 1:26 PM:

"Also look up "liberation theology" and "christian 'socialism'"."


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Then at 5:32, in the same thread, HWint writes:

"California has a lot of social-justice billionaires who live in some neighborhoods, and a lot of homeless in other neighborhoods."


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I ask you, is there anyone else on this site who speaks in simplistic political slogans like "liberation theology," "Christian socialism," and "social-justice billionaires" as readily as Jordan? Is it coincidence that Jordan and HWint share the same political views as well as their obvious penchant for sloganeering?

My guess is that our Man-of-Many-Names is Jordan at home and HWint at work.



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It's not my fault that you haven't heard of "liberation theology" and Christian socialism, both of which are not insulting terms but self-desceiptors.

LogicalCanuckExmo was clearly your creation, and as crudely written as Mangy Mutt.

> LogicalCanuckExmo was clearly your creation, and
> as crudely written as Mangy Mutt.


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You claim that I created a pseudonym through which to praise your posts?

You are a fucking liar. You know it, I know it, and the admins who purged your false persona know it.

Not only are you a self-important intellectual lightweight and a bigot, you are a dishonest creep.

He was your creation. Not mine. The only person fixated on the idea that I live in Canada is you.

You are like Darrick Evenson, McDonkie: a man with a modicum of intelligence and reasonably well read but profoundly lacking in integrity, profoundly lacking in character.

Lot's Wife Wrote:
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> You are like Darrick Evenson, McDonkie: a man
> with a modicum of intelligence and reasonably well
> read but profoundly lacking in integrity,
> profoundly lacking in character.

I don't care if you think I have "character" as you put it. When I was a young man, all the crap in the world was supposedly "character building". Poverty? Character building. Traipsing through mud? Character building. Getting mugged? Also character building. All of which made me wonder what kind of character the adults wished to build.

I have a character, quite a strong one actually. Integrity? Well that's subjective. We are all hypocrites at some level. Yes, even you.

I said you "lack character." You reply that you have "a character," indicating yet again that you have no sense of syntax and possibly don't even understand the difference in meaning implied by the two constructions.

As for integrity, I don't create sock puppets and then blame them on others. If I want to say "fuck you" to someone, I say "fuck you" to her directly and without the need for a cutout.

Jordan, fuck you.

You have some notion that a "character" is someone that you have to like. Well, I say unto you that some of the best characters in literature are the very ones you wouldn't want to meet.

As for sock puppets, if your fans round here followed you any more closely, they'd be hanging around your neck.

I write that Jordan doesn't understand the difference between "a character" and a person with "character."

He replies with, "You have some notion that a 'character' is someone that you have to like. Well, I say unto you that some of the best characters in literature are the very ones you wouldn't want to meet."

Whoosh.



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"I write that Jordan doesn't understand the difference between "a character" and a person with "character.""

It needs a qualifier. There is a difference between someone being "a character" and being of "good character" which is what you are apparently trying to get at. But even that is completely subjective.

Jordan, you are not a man of character.

Lot's Wife Wrote:
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> Jordan, you are not a man of character.

Understatement of the thread.

And the troll will be calling me a "sock puppet" in 3. . .2 . . .1 . . .

As long as he calls you one of my growing array of marionettes, I'll be happy.

Dave the Atheist and Eric K may have the best personal trolls, but no one has better purported sock puppets than I!

If the plants are the problem, why not lead them to jail in little plant handcuffs? The legislature and courts should get high enough to talk to the plants in order to get their side of the story. It’s called due process.

“so, a state-level referendum can bypass the Food and Drug Administration and approve medication without rigorous peer-controlled testing for safety and efficacy?”

I should hope so. If MMJ is the only thing that relieves the suffering of you or your loved one and the FDA’s hands are tied, maybe you would sign that referendum.

When there are laws that allow or compel the state to kill you for basically no reason, those laws should go. Overturning a law is tricky business.

"Prods docility?"

Oh God, that's bad.

Yeah, people need drugs to be docile. We are all just blank white slates walking around needing government intervention.

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> Yeah, people need drugs to be docile. We are all
> just blank white slates walking around needing
> government intervention.

A strong state needs a weak populace.

another reason to hate Utah laws & culture.

Hail to the age of Tall Ships!

Yup. Hemp makes the best natural fiber ropes.

I first learned about hemp in Nauvoo while on a field trip.

Lots of hemp being grown in southern Alberta. I heard that this year, hemp acreage will surpass sugar beets...that oh so Mormon crop introduced to Alberta by Utah Mormon Jesse Knight at Raymond.

You can come to Raymond now and bow to Raymond's TRUE god. The Knight Ranch gave the town a bronze statue of an effeminate-looking 'cowboy' on a bucking bronc and it's been slapped on mainstreet in front of Subway. I always say, "Fuck Ray Knight, and fuck his horse!"

I guess I'll have to drive down and gave a look see....and ditto on Ray and his cayuse gettin' theirs.



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I drove by that statue in my hot rod yesterday...thought about doing a burnout in front of the big church

That stupid statue is so amateur. It's barely a step above Woody on the horse in Toy Story. But that, and the Comets are the 'gods' of Raymond. At Christmas all public, pubic? Christmas lights that the town puts up have to be red and white for the COMETS, or the comet worshippers throw their fucking hissy fits if any other color is up. They don't know who Christ is in that goddamn shit hole.

and I also got to top some when it snowed one year in the midst of harvest. Although I hated hoeing sugar beets, the memories of being with my parents while I was working on the farm are great to have.

and early 20th century. It was useful for many basic products.

https://hempology.org/ALL%20HISTORY%20ARTICLES.HTML/1853-1862;%20MORMON%20HEMP.html


Of course the Church "leaders" fell right in line with hemp prohibition when it came in because...they actually are not and never have been true leaders. They follow their own interest (ego, money, power) and follow those who are more powerful than they are.

---> "Hemp probably existed in North America long before the Europeans arrived. Jacques Cartier wrote in the 16th century that the land was “frill of hempe which groweth of itselfe, which is as good as possibly may be scene, and as strong.” It is known is that by the time the Puritans landed on Plymouth rock, hemp had reached the continent. It was grown in nearly every state at one time or another, including California, Kentucky New York, Oregon, UTAH, Texas, New England, Virginia, Massachusetts, Louisiana, and Missouri."

https://www.mit.edu/~thistle/v13/2/history.html

And yet, a truck driver transporting it (hemp) was arrested in Idaho.

https://www.fleetowner.com/regulations/government-mix-shutdown-led-hemp-hauling-driver-s-arrest

His trial date is in October. Will be interesting to see if Idaho puts its foot in it again.

We used hemp sourced sisal twine on our hay balers up until plastic twine became deregeur.

Look at you getting all Frenchy with us!!! You go, Ron!!!

Go eat your freedom fries !

Nah, the Dog has a cosmopolitan bias (thank you, Stephen Miller).

He eats poutine and tacos for dinner, with gelato for desert. No parochialism there!

Yup. That nice biodegradable sisal replaced with nonbiodegradable plastic. There ought to be a law !

Is hemp legal?

The Hemp Farming Act of 2018 was a proposed law to remove hemp (defined as cannabis with less than 0.3% THC) from Schedule I controlled substances and making it an ordinary agricultural commodity. Its provisions were incorporated in the 2018 United States farm bill that became law on December 20, 2018.

Of course Oregon - and I hear, Washington - is planning on doing it well, like most everything else. Half the state will grow hemp and we know what the other half is growing. RM (recreational marijuana) Organics!

MMJ (medical marijuana) is the law in 33 US states (and counting). The District of Columbia [D&C] and 11 states -- Alaska, California, Colorado, Illinois, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, Nevada, Oregon, Vermont and Washington -- have adopted laws legalizing marijuana for recreational use.

Most recently, Michigan voters approved a ballot measure permitting adults age 21 and over to purchase and possess RM. Vermont became the first state earlier this year to legalize marijuana for recreational use through the legislative process, rather than via a ballot measure. Vermont's law allows for adults age 21 and over to grow and possess small amounts of cannabis. However, it does not permit the sale of nonmedical cannabis.

In 2018, 21 states considered bills that would legalize (adult-use) marijuana: Connecticut, Delaware, Georgia, Hawaii, Kansas, Kentucky, Maryland, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Wisconsin and West Virginia.

Hemp or Help?
Food, Fuel, Fiber, etc...
Medicine, Merriment...
Happiness...

This is what happens when old white people discover the Internet.

babyloncansuckit Wrote:
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> This is what happens when old white people
> discover the Internet.

What happens?

They get high or stay low?

Old White People don't discover internets. They just cast their nets upon entering.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/oregon-lawmakers-sign-2-laws-to-deal-with-massive-marijuana-surplus.amp

After legalizing marijuana in 2015, officials in Oregon began liberally doling out licenses to growers in an effort to shift sales away from the black market toward the now-legalized industry.

The plan worked, but created another problem: Oregon now has way more pot than its 4 million residents can ever possibly hope to smoke.

According to a 2019 Oregon Liquor Control Commission report, there are about 2,100 grower licensees in the state with enough weed currently on the market that it would take an estimated 6.5 years to sell it all within Oregon without any more production. The glut of marijuana has driven the price of marijuana down and left Oregonians wondering how they’ll handle the weed windfall.

O please tell us what Oregon prices currently are
(worth the trip???)

Dave the Atheist Wrote:
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> "CORVALLIS, Ore. – PRESS RELEASE – Oregon
> State University officials announced plans today
> (Thursday, June 13) to launch the nation’s
> largest research center devoted to the study of
> hemp, and announced that OSU will begin certifying
> hemp seed for planting in Oregon."
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> ==============
>
> To hell in a hemp handbasket I tell you !
>
> What is the LD$ position on this ?

Depends, can you make a MLM pyramid scheme to sell it?