Tad Callister makes claims of new archaeological evidences at 6:28. Does he really think this will help bring back those of us who left the church?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9Ug1IktZAI

He listed the discovery of ancient metal plates, cement and domesticated barley.

What he didn't say is that no ancient metal plates used for writing have been found anywhere in the Americas.

What he didn't say is that the barley he is mentioning is Hordeum pusillum, a unique American plant species separated from Old World barley by 12 million years. It shows up in North American archaeological sites predating Lehi by thousands of years and is not found in Mesoamerica.

Cement is only found in Mesoamerica, where no barley was used.


I see that he has been discussed here before.
https://www.exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,2206127,2206127#msg-2206127

archaeologists have discovered dirt and wood on the Yucatan peninsula. Scholars at BYU who originally predicted that dirt and wood would be found in this area of the western hemisphere are now asking the wider academic community if it's not now time for critics of the Book of Mormon to begin preparing their concession speeches now that conclusive evidence linking the Americas to the Book of Mormon has been produced in abundance.

Both dirt AND wood? Wow, who can deny it now!

Since Joseph Smith and the entire society that surrounded him was familiar with the contents of the Old Testament, there is nothing whatsoever remarkable about Joseph Smith telling a tale about records being engraved on golden plates.

I still cannot understand why Mopologists insist on pretending that the concept of words being engraved on metallic plates was such a strange and bizarre concept in Joseph Smith's day.

The whole "how could Joseph Smith possibly have known?" line of argumentation that is so popular among Mopologists was pronounced brain dead at birth.

Grasping at straws once again.

Lying about archaeology to try to get us to come back to the church. Made me sick to watch that video.

Callisters claims are less convincing than a pile of Curelom dung.

Hey, I sell wagon loads of that stuff to farmers and gardeners and earn enough to support my herd and me, even when my prize pack-cureloms aren't hauling freight through the mountains. It's worth more than you seem to think! And I resent your implying otherwise!

Really? Oh Cumom!

I think the original poster makes an excellent point.

It is supposed to be a "limited geography" according to some apologists. But when it comes to getting little tid-bits of evidence, LDS apologists will use anything they can find across all of North and South America.

Just goes to show that they don't have a consistent theory of the case, but just are responding to whatever the concern of the moment is--and hope that people will stop thinking and researching.

Claims of new archaeological evidences must be taken with large doses of Kool Aid.

The Case of both The Book of Mormon and The Bible is one of narrative over facticity.

I'm reading this book.
https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/how-history-gets-things-wrong

It makes the case that we humans are captured by stories. We can't not be emotionally affected by them. We insist that they are an accurate path to truth.

So, you won't find The Arc of The Covenant or The Golden Plates. Does that matter? Nope. Story is what fuels people's squaring the circular truth of these books of stories.

The fact that The Bible actually references historically grounded facts and The Book of Mormon doesn't does nothing for it. To take it as a historical text is to accept Adam and Eve. Not a really good gage of truth. So it doesn't even matter if The Book of Mormon theorizes something that actually exists (it doesn't) because it with the Bible will be poor choices for gaging actual reality unless the belief they instill produce some sort of evolutionarily advantage.

There's a famous line at the end of the classic western "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance," a film that is finally about mythmaking (it starred James Stewart, John Wayne, and Lee Marvin, all in top form). A newspaperman says it:

"When the truth becomes the legend -- print the legend!"

Ammon (or somebody) in the BoM chopped off a bunch of robbers' arms. Scientists are convinced that Native Americans of 300 BCE had arms. Therefor the BoM is Twooo.

You probably got that from peering at a slide rule in a hat.



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I am beginning to be astonished.

Lois

They were very determined robbers. They weren’t going to let keeping their limbs stand in the way of scattering sheep. Joseph Smith had the Black Knight more than a century before Monty Python. What a visionary.

And the sound of uproarious laughter was heard all over Gottland.

You're not still in Visby??

Hopefully, boxes of Australian wine are more available than cases of Books of Mormon.

There are many things I'd rather have "a case of" than Books of Mormon.

Not Book of Mormons? Like a murder of crows...

Perhaps a case of fine scotch, or a case of caviar.

But compared to a case of BoMs? Even a case of measles would be preferable.

How about a "Ward of Mormons." Nutty right?

I would like to offer up a "Misery of mormons".

Missouri of Mormons.

I'll meet you halfway...

A Mizzou of mormons.

We played dirty in that game at Arrowhead.

Exodus 28:36
KJV
And thou shalt make a plate of pure gold, and grave upon it, like the engravings of a signet, HOLINESS TO THE LORD.

Zzzzzz. Joseph was a fraud, will always be a fraud and that is all.

Also, James Adair's book The History of American Indians was popular in the early 19th century, and on pages 178-179 he talks about metal plates with writing on them, given to Indians by God and buried with their dead.
https://archive.org/details/GR_10/page/n197

Nothing Joseph Smith came up with was original.

Mike, I fear you'll have to drink your case of Book of Mormon all by yourself.

LOL. Haven't had a drop for more than ten years now.:)

I remember having a nasty case of the Book of Mormon when I was a teenager. Just drink plenty of fluids and get bedrest on Sundays.

And remember to vaccinate your kids so they don't develop cases of Book of Mormon themselves.

Perhaps the Gates foundation will fund an eradication campaign.

Right after polio and malaria.

The presentation is in that "I am your mormon authority" tone which many members will be able to lulled into believing.

The next video that pops up is a talk the guy gives at BYU where the first idea he presents is how much "I love BYU" because it is where "I met my wonderful wife" and where "All 6 of our children attended"... So basically he has nothing invested (sarcasm) in the truth claims of the church. Ofcourse, he is going to say it is true because if he has way too much to lose if he actually investigated it with the premise that is was not true.

This is the key, investigate mormon truth claims as if they are not true, and you will come to the knowledge, the pure knowledge, that the stories are factually not true. It all fits together in one simple package of fraud.

Don't be fooled by the mythical truths contained within their dogma, none of which are original to it.

I thought Edgar Allan Poe wrote a story like that.

"What are these chains that are binding me?"



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Thank you, caffiend.

Now it's my turn to put down the Board. No, wait--I didn't mean it that way--

Happy Fourth, caffiend.