https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2019/08/31/fox-news-pastor-atheists-broke-america-by-saying-we-can-be-good-without-god/?fbclid=IwAR1XVgD0Lk5SxblFVZyDt5jUdEikV0RN9OgxG1J6uzTiaFNwJfEfzEU2CUo

"… The problem is, even in families that are intact, they tell their children, “Well, you need to do this and do that. You know, it’s wrong to shoot other people in school.”
And somebody says, “Well, why is it wrong?”

And the parent doesn’t have any real good answer. Who says what’s right and wrong? You have to have that spiritual foundation. The Bible says the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, and I think, as a nation, that’s where we’re missing it."

But you gotta admit, Kori, that that pastor has the BEST toupee in the world.

That has to count for something.

Lot's Wife Wrote:
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> But you gotta admit, Kori, that that pastor has
> the BEST toupee in the world.
>
> That has to count for something.

Kori may or may not be dead, depending upon your perspective.

Yes, but is the toupee dead?!

Best line in the article:

"Jeffress needs God because he’d be a monster without one. (Well, more of one, anyway. It’s not like he’s a voice of reason with God.) But at least he admits all that."

I don't think you are giving Jeffress sufficient credit for his toupee.

Lot's Wife Wrote:
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> I don't think you are giving Jeffress sufficient
> credit for his toupee.

He did insist that Mormonism was a CULT, during Romney's failed Presidential bid, so I give the guy credit for that.

https://www.christianpost.com/news/interview-robert-jeffress-refuses-to-back-down-on-mormonism-is-a-cult.html

I do watch Fox from time to time when I'm at my boyfriend's house. This guy had his hair all poofed up, etc., and he was talking about Israel and my boyfriend, a Jewish convert, said, "So now he wants to tell us about Judaism!!!" He acted like he knew everything and was good friends with Netanyahu.

Yep, without religion, I became an adulteress. I grew up with religion, but I forgot I wasn't supposed to be an adulteress the minute I left. I'm sure that I'll just become more and more evil as the years go by.

Yes, when I think of evil yours is the image that arises in my mind!

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> I'm sure that I'll just become more and more evil
> as the years go by.

:D

I murder as many people as I want to.

Masses of yeast are murdered in the production of wine and beer. Does that count?

"The rising element."

Or better yet, "the uprising element."



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It looks like you've mis-spelled the name of the nation's most watched television network. The alternative viewpoints found on other networks is that nobody's watching, nobody's complaining, no one cares what they say. It looks like MSDNC is number two. Most religious leaders are fanatical. I guess that's news.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/fox-news-wins-ratings-cnn-struggles



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YOU LIE !
Rachael beats fux nooz every time.

Unfortunately it is the ego's nature to be a "mass murderer": to apparently bolster itself up by indiscriminately (or discriminately) taking down others, with the rationale that "they" are against "God" or "Truth" (yes, weaponizing science) or, in the playground logic of #45, "They did it to me first!"

The "love" of such people is conditional--others must meet MY ego's conditions--and therefore it is not really Love at all. (Yeah, Hitler loved his dogs, Tony Soprano loved his Family...). Any Us vs. Them thinking rationalizes demonizing others, ridiculing them, being disgusted by them, locking them up, deporting them, or fantasizing that karma will deliciously bite their asses.

Does this describe all Evangelicals, or only the bully-pulpit leaders?

BUT...isn't such Us vs. Them thinking demonstrated daily on this very board, too?

Richard Foxe Wrote:
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> Unfortunately it is the ego's nature to be a "mass
> murderer": to apparently bolster itself up by
> indiscriminately (or discriminately) taking down
> others, with the rationale that "they" are against
> "God" or "Truth" (yes, weaponizing science) or, in
> the playground logic of #45, "They did it to me
> first!"
>
> The "love" of such people is conditional--others
> must meet MY ego's conditions--and therefore it is
> not really Love at all. (Yeah, Hitler loved his
> dogs, Tony Soprano loved his Family...). Any Us
> vs. Them thinking rationalizes demonizing others,
> ridiculing them, being disgusted by them, locking
> them up, deporting them, or fantasizing that karma
> will deliciously bite their asses.
>
> Does this describe all Evangelicals, or only the
> bully-pulpit leaders?
>
> BUT...isn't such Us vs. Them thinking demonstrated
> daily on this very board, too?

Sure. And every day in the baseball or football stadiums. I have no problem with Us vs. Them mentality most of the time, but when it gets taken to the extreme it results in things mass murder.
I've got a real problem with that.
I see the us vs them mentality here as mainly anonymous people making it clear that they are not "them" MORmONs they used to be,
Which is normally healthy.



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People normally, by conditioning and education, focus on the behavioral level of people where there certainly are insider-outsider, us-them, and interpersonal differences. And they typically make the Fundamental Attribution Error of thinking that others ARE their behaviors. World spiritual traditions acknowledge these differences but also recognize a Being level (noumenal, not phenomenal) where those differences don't obtain.

The article you cite doesn't give an important point of Perkins: that schools should teach not only, or exclusively, the phenomenal but also the noumenal--that is, in Western religious language, that all people are "created in the image of God" or are "God's children." That means not only the shooter's victims but the shooter himself, and if such a recognition existed, it would wake people up out of their presumed body-centered and grievance-fueled existence.

My post lamented that the pastor doesn't seem to practice this level himself, nor his followers, and extend it to "secularists." There is a level confusion here, believing that people's behaviors somehow nullify their essence as divine beings. This was certainly not the message of their Christ.

Brilliant analysis.
Sounds almost verbatim like what the DL had to say in response to 9-11.

Dalai Lama