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Posted by: mikemitchell ( )
Date: September 09, 2019 02:36PM

Mormon apologists use volcanic eruptions to try to give an explanation for the three days of darkness.

3 Nephi 8:
20 And it came to pass that there was thick darkness upon all the face of the land, insomuch that the inhabitants thereof who had not fallen could feel the vapor of darkness;
21 And there could be no light, because of the darkness, neither candles, neither torches; neither could there be fire kindled with their fine and exceedingly dry wood, so that there could not be any light at all;
22 And there was not any light seen, neither fire, nor glimmer, neither the sun, nor the moon, nor the stars, for so great were the mists of darkness which were upon the face of the land.
23 And it came to pass that it did last for the space of three days that there was no light seen; and there was great mourning and howling and weeping among all the people continually; yea, great were the groanings of the people, because of the darkness and the great destruction which had come upon them.

There is another plausible explanation when one considers the possibility that the Book of Mormon was an early 19th century fabrication. See Collections, Historical and Miscellaneous and Monthly Literary Journal, Edited by J. Farmer and J. B. Moore, Vol. III, Concord: Published by J. B. Moore, 1824, page 197
https://books.google.com/books?id=JncUAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA197&dqg#v=onepage&q&f=false

"The Dark Day. - May 19th, 1780, was distinguished by an uncommon darkness, which prevailed in every part of New-England. The degree to which it arose was different in different parts. In most places it was so great, that people were unable to read, to dine, or manage their domestic business, without the light of candles. - The extent of this darkness was very remarkable. To the Eastward, it reached many leagues beyond the sea coast. To the Southward, it covered all the south shores of New-England. To the Westward, it extended beyond the bounds of Connecticut, Albany, and Vermont. Towards the North, it covered the Province of Maine, New-Hampshire, Vermont, and was observed all along the river St. Lawrence. And in most places, its duration was from 12 to 15 hours. - The appearance was extremely gloomy. Every thing seemed to be tinged with a yellowish color. Candles were lighted up in the houses; birds became silent; domestic fowls retired to roost; and the cocks crowed around as at day break. - Every body was astonished at this uncommon appearance, and many were alarmed to an high degree: And there was no end to the conjectures, fears and fancies, that prevailed at that time."

"It was found from many observations, that the atmosphere was charged in a high degree with an uncommon quantity of smoke and vapor, occasioned by large and extensive fires, for several weeks before. For some days before, the atmosphere had been so loaded with the smoke and vapor, as to darken the sun and moon, and to render all distant objects of a dull and hazy appearance. With a gentle rain these vapors were found to be slowly descending, in amazing quantities; mingled with the rain in their descent, they weakened and absorbed the rays of light, and involved every object in apparent obscurity and darkness."

3 Nephi 8:20-23 reads like an embellishment and exaggeration of that 1824 writing, which is what should be expected in a work of fiction. Mormons prop up their faith with a Joe vs the volcano (how could he have known) but what was in New England writings at the time makes much more sense.

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Posted by: caffiend ( )
Date: September 09, 2019 03:09PM

Take something that people have familiarity, and rework it dramatically. "This might have happened before, so why not again?"

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: September 09, 2019 06:33PM

Because of certain peculiarities in my personal mental inventory and makeup, I loved "Joe versus the Volcano" and I don't care who knows.

I just found it, for free, on YouTube, with Spanish subtitles and the soundtrack about .75 seconds out of synch. I can live with that.

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Posted by: fossilman ( )
Date: September 11, 2019 02:57PM

I believe Joe Smith suffered from a brain cloud.

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Posted by: Anon Just Now ( )
Date: September 09, 2019 06:41PM

Why overcomplicate things? It's in the Bible:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion_darkness

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Posted by: mikemitchell ( )
Date: September 09, 2019 07:37PM

The word vapor isn't associated with the darkness of the crucifixion.

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Posted by: normdeplume ( )
Date: September 09, 2019 11:23PM

mikemitchell Wrote:
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> 3 Nephi 8:
> 20 And it came to pass that there was thick
> darkness upon all the face of the land, insomuch
> that the inhabitants thereof who had not fallen
(were nearly stunned to death [the new and improved translation]"

So Holy Joe's pals and handlers likely inserted stuff like the following into notes they put in his hat.

"The Dark Day. - May 19th, 1780, was distinguished by an uncommon darkness, which prevailed in every part of New-England. The degree to which it arose was different in different parts. In most places it was so great, that people were unable to read, to dine, or manage their domestic business, without the light of candles. - The extent of this darkness was very remarkable".

The final product was quite typical handling of pilfered text by those true authors of BoM.

Change a little, here and there, just enough to conceal the source.

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Posted by: oldpobot ( )
Date: September 10, 2019 12:11AM

Having spent a fair bit of time on this site over the last decade or so, but not yet having been brave enough to open my BOM (given to me by missionaries), I must say it's starting to look, on the balance of probabilities, as though Joe may have made it all up.

Upstate New York and New England must have been a fun place for fervent religious types in the early 1800s.

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Posted by: Chicken N. Backpacks ( )
Date: September 11, 2019 01:19PM

Mopologists like to point out that a volcanic eruption of great magnitude happened in Central America *approximately* the same time as the BoM says, but Occam's Razor points to JS cribbing the "summer without a sun" that ruined many crops in New England as a result of the massive Mt. Tambora eruption in Indonesia in 1815 and caused a "nuclear winter" type event similar to the "dark days" from the 1780 fires.

What didn't he steal for story material?

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Posted by: sd ( )
Date: September 11, 2019 01:40PM

you were gonna say Fanny Alger was a squirter.

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