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Posted by: schrodingerscat ( )
Date: December 05, 2019 03:10PM

"When asked what advice the two men had for members of the church with friends who are “struggling with their faith” due to doubt and questions of church history, Mr. Ballard claimed the church has never hid “anything from anybody”.

"The culture of mendacity and gaslighting needs to die a quick death. It is our plea to those that are in power to take a step back and engage in some self-reflection. Ask yourselves if you could do a better job with the messaging and then take the steps necessary to accept responsibility and correct the issues. To the average Mormon who may read this, it is our plea to you to take a step back from all of this and ask yourself, have I ever been misled through a church source? If so, it does not mean you must abandon the faith. But demand accountability from your leaders and stop demonizing those that have chosen to move on because of the deceptions."

https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/commentary/2017/11/26/commentary-the-gaslighting-within-mormonism-must-stop/?fbclid=IwAR1x0graiM3lThR-xxHwmyhd0HmRFkT2mf427XhNxKoSKSIy3m4LW_MhtGU

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Posted by: Rubicon ( )
Date: December 05, 2019 03:20PM

Why did the church pay Mark Hoffman large amounts of money for what they thought were historical records that painted Joseph Smith in a negative way? Hoffman knew he could con the church because the church knew Joseph Smith was a questionable character and they needed to hide anything negative about him from the public.

So actions speak louder than words. The church does deceive the public. If the church was honest they would not have been so motivated to buy Hoffman’s forgeries. Hoffman knew the church was dishonest and knew he could make money from the church because the church would buy anything that made the church look bad so they could hide it.

The church also denied Joseph Smith practiced polygamy and now they admit he did in their essays.

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Posted by: messygoop ( )
Date: December 05, 2019 07:30PM

I noticed that comments at the Trib are non existent. Either they are blocked or they're behind a paywall.

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Posted by: oldpobot ( )
Date: December 05, 2019 08:45PM

Do TBMs read the Trib? Many more of these types of criticisms and there won't be many left in the faith. By the time you get to the bottom of the article you are left in no doubt that the Mormon leaders do not speak for God, and that the entire religion is based on tissue-thin folk stories.

Surely the Church cannot survive too much more of this sort of analysis, openly published in Utah's mainstream press?

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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: December 05, 2019 10:48PM

Unless / Until ChurchCo discloses their finances down to each $100, Including perks accepted such as travel, lodging, etc, ...

- salaries, stipends-allowances, retirement benefits, health plans, etc.

- revenue, including business & 'contributions',

- expenses & investments of all subsidiaries,

- litigation awards

they have ABSOLUTELY NO CLAIM ON TRANSPARENCY, NONE WHATSOEVER.

If they claim transparency, they're LIARS.

liars liars, pants on fire, nose as long as a telephone wire.

Cross my heart & hope to die, stick a needle in my eye should I ever tell a lie...

Lies Lies, pumpkin pies, may a blackbird peck your eyes.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 12/06/2019 01:14AM by GNPE.

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Posted by: snagglepuss ( )
Date: December 06, 2019 01:01AM

Add book and recording royalties sold to a captive audience.

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Posted by: thedesertrat1 ( )
Date: December 06, 2019 09:07AM

Integrity? They have no concept of the meaning of the word!

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