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Posted by: pizzaface ( )
Date: December 11, 2019 02:20AM

I recently read about this newest atrocity in Utah. They put a warrant out for your arrest and you are poor. Almost as bad as how they treat you when you aren't a TBM. So glad I am not there anymore and my family go back generations so it's like a monarchy. Just hope these people find a way out.

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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: December 11, 2019 05:34AM

Utah has payday loans businesses? I can tell you that I know I am in a sketchy neighborhood when I see a payday loans business. It means that the residents are poor and struggling to pay bills. These businesses are notoriously predatory. They get people into a cycle of taking out loans week after week to keep up. The interest rates are through the roof, and help to keep people in poverty. No one in their right mind should patronize these businesses, but poor people often have little choice about it.

IMO Utah residents should contact their legislators to make these businesses illegal.

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Posted by: alsd ( )
Date: December 11, 2019 05:46AM

summer Wrote:
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> Utah has payday loans businesses? I can tell you
> that I know I am in a sketchy neighborhood when I
> see a payday loans business. It means that the
> residents are poor and struggling to pay bills.
> These businesses are notoriously predatory. They
> get people into a cycle of taking out loans week
> after week to keep up. The interest rates are
> through the roof, and help to keep people in
> poverty. No one in their right mind should
> patronize these businesses, but poor people often
> have little choice about it.
>
> IMO Utah residents should contact their
> legislators to make these businesses illegal.

Do you actually think that will happen? The payday loan operators are getting rich, which means they must be righteous Mormons. The poor people who are defaulting on their payments must be wicked, otherwise they wouldn't be poor. The super pious will not do anything to get in the way of other righteous people getting rich, regardless of how disgusting the practice is.

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Posted by: Phil in Roy ( )
Date: December 11, 2019 12:16PM

alsd, where is the thumbs up button for you. Of course, you only made a BFO, a blinding flash of the obvious in your response.

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Posted by: Eric K ( )
Date: December 11, 2019 12:41PM

I live in a small city which is the home of Check Into Cash. The owner is a multi-billionaire as a result of taking advantage of poor folks who are down on the luck. They get caught in a vicious cycle of trying to pay off these predatory loans. On the main north-south street in my city are at least 15 equivalent businesses to Check Into Cash in a 4 mile stretch including the headquarters of Check Into Cash. It has 3,500 locations around the US.

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Posted by: anonculus ( )
Date: December 12, 2019 02:05AM

The same could be said of Jamie Dimon.

"Respectable" mainstream consumer credit is also a ripoff that drives people to ruin while making megacorporations rich.

Banks work very hard to lobby against Payday loans and it's not out of civic goodness.

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Posted by: babyloncansuckit ( )
Date: December 11, 2019 07:51AM

Mormonism is the Payday Loans of religion.

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Posted by: CrispingPin ( )
Date: December 11, 2019 08:22AM

Excellent comparison.

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Posted by: Roy G Biv ( )
Date: December 11, 2019 04:53PM

LDS Tithing and Loan.

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Posted by: Susan I/S ( )
Date: December 11, 2019 09:32AM

Actually, I have been watching this for quite a few years. Many companies based there because of close to zero regulations. Some have tried to clean it up but it is an uphill battle.

http://www.ustatesloans.org/law/ut/

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Posted by: CL2 ( )
Date: December 11, 2019 09:46AM

at one time. Did I tell you my life was hell after he left? What happened was I had a SL phone line from Cache Valley to do one hospital in Layton for my job. They paid me $200 in my paycheck to pay the phone bill. Well, when you haven't paid the phone bill and they are going to cut you off and you have no money (I was too depressed to get off the bed for a while), then you do whatever you have to and it gets worse and worse and worse. My husband had left, my dog had been killed in front of me (the worst day of my life to this point--I loved that dog SO MUCH and he kept me alive).

I didn't dare tell anyone. My son had to open my paychecks because I would have anxiety attacks about if they would be enough to pay all the payday loans and still have money to pay bills and eat. House payment, second mortgage (for the husband's place to live downstairs and then he left me holding the bag). Kids to raise. Working 2 jobs.

And then I forgot one of them and it BOUNCED and, guess what, what they will do is take you to small claims court and all they can ask for is the amount of the loan and court costs. And I let all 12 of them bounce. Only drawback is that the sheriff serves court papers and when they came to my house they were ring the doorbell over and over and over again and pound on my door. I was at the office one day when my kids were home and they were horrible to my children. In all those 12 loans, the only time the sheriff was nice was when my husband was here. Go figure.

I still can't handle someone ringing the doorbell. My doorbell is turned off.

It has been 20 years now since my last payday loan was paid off and they are STILL THERE. For years, I wanted to go shoot holes in their windows.

When I finally told my therapist, he was thrilled to hear how to help his other patients get out of the cycle of check loans. I have helped many people get out of this horrible cycle.

You just have no idea the hell I have lived through because of my marriage. And all along, he should have been helping me. I right now can take him for almost $300,000. He told me I should have told him how bad it was back then. I DID. I DID over and over and over and over and over again. For Phazer from the other thread about Ed Smart. You want to live my life? Posting what I have today has sent me into a tailspin. And people wonder why I have PTSD? My life was hell BECAUSE HE LEFT ME--because I was lds, because I trusted mormon leaders. Now tell me again taht he shouldn'ta hve stayed? I'll leave the typos.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 12/11/2019 09:50AM by cl2.

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Posted by: scmd1 ( )
Date: December 11, 2019 11:02PM

cl2 Wrote:
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> You just have no idea the hell I have lived
> through because of my marriage. And all along, he
> should have been helping me. I right now can take
> him for almost $300,000. He told me I should have
> told him how bad it was back then. I DID. I DID
> over and over and over and over and over again.

> For Phazer from the other thread about Ed Smart.
> You want to live my life? Posting what I have
> today has sent me into a tailspin. And people
> wonder why I have PTSD? My life was hell BECAUSE
> HE LEFT ME--because I was lds, because I trusted
> mormon leaders. Now tell me again taht he
> shouldn'ta hve stayed? I'll leave the typos.

Take care of yourself! We really want you to be well. This is more easily said than done, but try not to care when silly people make stupid comments or ask equally stupid questions about your life and the choices you have made. You're still here, and you raised your kids well. Who in he!! could have done better or even as well under the same or similar circumstances?

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Posted by: CL2 ( )
Date: December 12, 2019 08:46AM


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Posted by: blindguy ( )
Date: December 16, 2019 02:04PM


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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: December 16, 2019 02:55PM

As do I.

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Posted by: valkyriequeen ( )
Date: December 11, 2019 10:11AM

IMO, those payday loan business are stealing money that you don't have.
There was an article in Sunday's Tribune that said that one of the directors of a payday loan had been in prison for fraud. So one of the businesses now has an ex-con for a leader. He calls the cops on the people who can't repay the loans; how ironic!
The percentages are sky high, making it impossible to repay the loans.
These organizations should be illegal, but then again, Utah is the scam capitol of the world. It wouldn't surprise me at all if most of them are run by mormons.

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Posted by: Kirklando ( )
Date: December 11, 2019 03:42PM

An infestation of payday loan companies results from the war on cash (hard money), and high taxation.

People are treated like criminals when they try to sell their own property.

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Posted by: Brother Of Jerry ( )
Date: December 11, 2019 04:00PM

So Sweden is one big payday loan office? They've essentially eliminated cash, and they tax to pay for government services.

Hi Jordie.

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Posted by: stillanon ( )
Date: December 11, 2019 03:52PM

This will open your eyes. Utah has more payday loan places than all the McDonalds, 7-11's and Starbucks in the state, combined. We also allow the highest usury rates in the country? Why, many mormon legislators, politicians and Republican party leaders either own them or have financial interests in them. FYI, they are in strip malls in nice neighborhoods, not relegated to seedy areas. If you or I ran a loan sharking business with their interest rates, we'd be in jail. It's just legal mormon criminality.

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Posted by: CL2 ( )
Date: December 11, 2019 05:11PM

I'm in Cache Valley. They are all over the place here and they are in nice strip malls like where Macey's, the mormon grocery stores, are.

My boyfriend hasn't outright said that his ex's family owns some of these businesses, but he has implied that they do. They are Jewish and are in AZ. They also run car washes where all payments are in cash. The whole family is included in the businesses.

It isn't just mormons.

Oh, I forgot to say that one of the check loan places here in Cache Valley, when he found out my situation said that he didn't get in the business to put people in my situation. Actually, it was his check loan that bounced first. He cancelled my loan. Never made me pay another penny.

My therapist said that if you go in one of these places 98% of the people getting these loans are down on their luck. I haven't had one of these loans in over 20 years and they are still legal. I have heard that Layton has a lot of them because there is the Air Force Base there. They report that there are many in ever town there is a military base.



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Posted by: stillangry ( )
Date: December 11, 2019 10:29PM

In Arizona they outlawed payday loan establishments. They just became title loan places. The same thing could happen in UT if they try to ban them.

I live in a very affluent area, and there is a title loan shop in area. You sure they are just for poor people?

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Posted by: CL2 ( )
Date: December 12, 2019 08:49AM

I had a title loan, too. They came to repossess that car, but it was broken down at another location and I happened to have the money that night to pay it off. The difference with title loans is you can lose your car.

I believe the big problem behind check loans IS that the banks are financing them. I have no doubt the banks are financing them because of the experiences I had. They aren't going to get the laws changed if the banks are behind them.



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Posted by: snagglepuss ( )
Date: December 12, 2019 12:49AM

Reinventing debtors' prisons and loan sharking, American style.



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Posted by: ragnar ( )
Date: December 12, 2019 08:34AM

When I worked at a retail store (in Idaho), a fellow worker (non-Mormon) used these payday loans ALL THE TIME. She usually borrowed $200 to $300 at a time, and was paying 16% for each 2-week loan. She was contantly rolling over her loans, paying just the interest ($32 for a $200 loan, and $48 for a $300 loan, for example).

I watched her do this for MONTHS. She was not shy about talking to use about this, and I saw that she was dependable in paying off the loans and interest.

After a year or so, I offered her a 'deal'. I said that - instead of using a payday loan company - I would lend her this money, but at 10% instead of 16%.

She would save money with this situation (and I could make money).

She took my offer. Soon, she was rolling over an average of $300 every 2 weeks with me. Every time she paid interest, I put that money in a savings account in the bank.

This went on for a couple of years.

Whenever she got her federal tax refund, she would pay off her loans and she remained solvent for a few weeks. But after 4 or 5 weeks, she started borrowing again.

I guess I could be faulted for taking money from her in this manner, but I did save her some money she would have otherwise given to a payday loan company.

One year she told me that she was getting a tax refund of $3,000. (mainly Earned Income Credit). She had a husband and a daughter.

I asked her if she could use an extra $250 of income per month. She said that if she could get this much of a raise, it would solve many of her money problems. I then suggested that - when she gets her refund this year - that she put the entire $3,000 in the bank. Then, she could withdraw $250 per month from this account to spend or do whatever. This could be her 'raise' and the money would last the entire year - she wouldn't have to borrow and pay interest each month.

She told me that she knows this and understood how this would work, but she said she could never do this. She told me that if she has money, she HAS to spend it. She was apparently incapable of saving money.

Once, she got a credit card offer in the mail. She completed the form and returned it, and they sent her a card with a $2,000 limit. She and her husband charged up to the limit within a couple of weeks. She said she made one payment on it, and then just stopped. Her comment was that if the bank was foolish enough to send her a card with her bad credit history, they 'deserved' to lose the money.

Two other employees started asking to borrow money from me under similar terms. I started loaning to them, but they soon became undependable in their repayments, so I stopped.

We worked together a few years. When I moved out of town, I used the 'interest money' that she had paid as part of my down payment on a house purchase.

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Posted by: macaRomney ( )
Date: December 12, 2019 09:29AM

interesting, I'm not sure if you made money because of the latest two people who didn't pay (as stated at end of the post). Sounds very risky. Any money I ever loan family I assume it's not coming back, that way i'm never disappointed.

But I agree Payday loans are bad and are the sign your in the ghetto. Yesterday I was in Ogden the decaying city (where I was raised) and there are so many problems everywhere you look. Many caused by do-gooders and rich people. They got some billboard up now before 12th street showing a tattooed-up-brother-from-the-hood saying "you can get your life together." Then there are these ones celebrating "fatherhood" I can't decided if they are advertising delinquent father's in town, or that men need to create more babies at all costs?

Seriously who's in charge of that town? There's no way they'd be displaying that kind of disshumor in Park City, or East Bountiful.

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Posted by: ragnar ( )
Date: December 12, 2019 09:52AM

I did eventually get my money back from the two 'undependable' employees, but they just weren't making their repayments as promised. I was surprised at how easily (and well) they lied when making 'promises.'

One of them later asked to borrow more money to pay for a lawyer to file bankruptcy for her (the attorney was understandably asking for cash payment in advance), but I declined.

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Posted by: blindguy ( )
Date: December 16, 2019 02:12PM

Your non-Mormon coworker was lucky. From some of the stories I've read, some pay day loaners charge up to 200% interest on these loans and higher. In other words, the interest you're being charged can be twice the amount you are actually borrowing, if not more. If your co-worker had been paying that, there is no way in hell she could ever have been able to get out of it, unless she won the lottery or got a big inheritance from somewhere.

Unregulated free market capitalism at its best (worst)! And yes, I can (and probably will) take the slings and arrows that come my way for this sentiment.

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Posted by: Lethbridge Reprobate ( )
Date: December 12, 2019 12:30PM

We have them here too...vultures.

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Posted by: The original MOI ( )
Date: December 13, 2019 01:09PM

Ya, those damn loan places are all over Lethy. Seems there's one on every block. There was an Arby's, Timmy's, and a Dumpster Restaurant? Humpster's? No WAIT... HUMPTY'S! That's it. Now the Humpty's is a loan place. I ate at Humpty's a few years ago so maybe a loan place is an improvement. LOL!

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Posted by: kentish ( )
Date: December 12, 2019 12:57PM

I am surprised no one has mentioned credit cards in general. Their high interest rates at the present time are nothing less than obscene.

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Posted by: outin76 ( )
Date: December 16, 2019 09:46AM

Do you think that if there were not Payday loan providers then the same thing would be provided by organised crime, with much more serious consequences for defaulters than repossession.

outin76

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Posted by: Human ( )
Date: December 16, 2019 11:46AM

“Anyone who has ever struggled with poverty
knows how extremely expensive it is to be poor.“

—James Baldwin—
— Nobody Knows My Name: More Notes of a Native Son (1961)—

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