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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: February 18, 2020 11:54PM

My heavens, if someone needs a written label to tell if a magazine is dirty they are missing the point!

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Posted by: stillanon ( )
Date: February 19, 2020 11:32AM

"Dirty" by who's standards? We recently got rid of our Porn Czar government position. The last one deemed that covers for Cosmo, Shape, Vanity Fair and Sports Illustrated's Swim Suit edition were to be covered up in stores. So little boys wouldn't be exposed to porn. This bill, if signed into law, will be overturned in court. But not before wasting a ton of Utah taxpayer dollars. Again. Stupid mormon message bills should come with a requirement that all those righteous religious zealots, that vote for them, be required to post personal bonds to cover the court costs to defend them. This is nothing but grandstanding for the ward.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: February 19, 2020 11:51AM

Oh, I agree about the word "dirty." I just think it's amusing to imagine someone looking at a rack of pornographic magazines and then having to locate the printed warning to decide whether the cover is pornographic.

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Posted by: OneWayJay ( )
Date: February 19, 2020 09:12AM

Remember the Utah County Porn Video trial? Revolved around Adult Films and "community standards" - and the defendant came out on top when their attorney showed the films they were prosecuted for were available in the Marriott Hotel right there in the county. Showed "community standards" allowed it.

Utah is run by idiots who want to control everything.

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: February 19, 2020 10:57AM

I recall reading recently that the Marriott exec who was called to testify regarding the availability of the porno at the hotels in Utah kept responding to such questions by stating that the 5th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution gave him the Right to refuse to answer questions that were incriminating.

Playing that scenario out in my mind amuses me!

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Posted by: Razortooth ( )
Date: February 19, 2020 09:43AM

How about a bill requiring a warning label tattooed on the forehead of anyone running for office in Utah?

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Posted by: Shinehah ( )
Date: February 19, 2020 10:08AM

Thankfully Mormon Missionaries come with a Warning Label/Name Tag.

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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: February 19, 2020 12:00PM

Love this reply. Thanks! LOL

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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: February 19, 2020 12:46PM

Does the sponsor have any research to support his assertions about effects on minors?

(I personally believe what he wrote is accurate, but my say-so doesn't matter unless there's data to back it up; I agree that children shouldn't view porn.)

ummmm methinks internet porn is the most popular, would this legislation apply to the internet?



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Posted by: stillanon ( )
Date: February 19, 2020 01:51PM

I don't think you're going to find anyone that thinks kids should buy porn. Let them find their Dad's old Playboys, like other generations did. Yes, their main focus is on internet porn. The next day, after this made the news, a major porn site, X-Hamster (which many people never knew existed) posted this on their site;
"Utah Warning Label"
"Porn use may lead to decreased stress, increased happiness and lower rates of teen pregnancy, divorce and sexual assault.
However, it's only for adults."

Made world headlines, making Utah look stupid-again.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: February 22, 2020 07:44PM

Dare I ask?

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Posted by: stillanon ( )
Date: February 22, 2020 10:11PM

Well, it's not about hamsters, if that's what you mean. And, I didn't go blind-so that's a plus.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: February 22, 2020 10:13PM

I was just wondering how you learned so quickly of that site's warning!

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Posted by: stillanon ( )
Date: February 23, 2020 02:47PM

It was reported on local news, FOX 13 Utah.

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Posted by: Screen Name ( )
Date: February 19, 2020 02:35PM

During a Personal Priesthood Interview, my little brother was asked if he was willing to let the Bishop take a look at his laptop history search and image/video downloads. See, the Bishop sees that Elder Name has a very hot trophy wife, drives a Corvette and insists on paying his tithing in cash.

Little Brother agreed, but only if the Bishopric would allow him to be witness to their own three laptops.

Inquiry halted.

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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: February 22, 2020 01:19PM

Ha! I love that. Invasion of privacy is a two-way street.

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Posted by: JenMikell ( )
Date: February 22, 2020 11:55PM

Gives new meaning to I'll show you mine if you show me yours...

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Posted by: schrodingerscat ( )
Date: February 19, 2020 09:25PM

My favorite part, "House Minority Leader Brian King, D-Salt Lake City, questioned if what is obscene to one person is provocative to another."

In UT, shoulders are obscene.
Anywhere outside of UT, they're just shoulders, no more obscene than elbows or knees or toes.

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Posted by: stillanon ( )
Date: February 19, 2020 10:20PM

In Draper, at the public pool about 4 years ago, some biddies tried to get them to ban two piece bathing suits for little girls because "5 years old's should be modest and not sexy". Takes a special kind of twisted to believe that little girls are alluring in a swimsuit.

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Posted by: schrodingerscat ( )
Date: February 21, 2020 03:17PM

If you sexualize a pre-pubescent child, you need to be locked up.

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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: February 21, 2020 05:31PM

Send the paddy wagons out to toddler's in tiaras!

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Posted by: anybody ( )
Date: February 20, 2020 10:25AM

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/all-about-sex/201904/does-viewing-porn-corrupt-teens

Many parents have trouble discussing sex with their children, and even the most comprehensive school sex-education programs have no measurable impact on teen sex—see my previous post. Meanwhile, porn is just a few taps or clicks away from most teens 24/7, and many view it regularly. This worries porn critics to no end.

Detractors insist that adolescents experience unwanted exposure to sexually explicit media, and that porn sexualizes young people too early, ruins them for long-term relationships, and pushes young men toward sexism and sexual violence. On the contrary, here’s what the best studies show:

Adolescents age 12 to 14 generally feel disgusted by sexually explicit media and quickly turn away from it.
Even when they watch porn, unwanted exposure doesn’t significantly harm them any more than unwanted exposure to cooking shows causes obesity.
Porn doesn’t sexualize young people “too early.” Most kids engage in childhood sex play years before they encounter porn.
There’s no evidence that porn ruins young people for long-term relationships. According to the National Center for Family and Marriage Research, the divorce rate peaked in 1980, years before free Internet porn became easily available. Since then, it has steadily declined. In 2015, a generation after porn flooded the Internet, the divorce rate fell to a 40-year low.
The well-documented association between early porn use and early virginity loss implies the former contributes to the latter. Not necessarily. Starting in childhood, some people are more sexual than others. Innate sexual precociousness may instigate both porn viewing and early virginity loss. Before Internet porn, most teens had first intercourse around age 17. Since porn flooded the Internet, that hasn’t changed. In fact, compared to the pre-Internet era, today’s teens are less sexually active (below).
The association between teen porn exposure and sex crimes is disturbing, but inconsistent. Many studies show that, compared with other men, sex offenders report viewing less porn.

More reasons that teen porn exposure is no cause for alarm:

A Texas Tech researcher surveyed 131 college men about porn consumption and attitudes toward women. As their self-reported porn viewing increased, their sexism decreased.
Scientists at the University of Zagreb, Croatia, surveyed 650 young adult men about their age at first porn exposure and their subsequent sexuality—“Early exposure had no effect.”
Another team of University of Zagreb researchers surveyed 1,005 young adult men about porn exposure and sexual irresponsibility—“Viewing pornography is not associated with sexual risk-taking.”
Swiss investigators surveyed 3,283 teen boys—“Pornography exposure, either willing or unwilling, is not associated with risky sexual behavior.”
Danish and Swedish studies show that while most teens turn to porn for information about the mechanics of sex, at the same time, they realize it’s a cartoon—not a how-to manual, but fantasy.
Finally, some porn critics assert that adolescent exposure to porn coaxes young men to commit sex crimes. UCLA investigators asked pedophile and non-pedophile adolescents about their porn consumption. Compared with other teens, the sex offenders had viewed “significantly less porn.”



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Posted by: Space Pineapple ( )
Date: February 20, 2020 01:07PM

LOL! This reads like a parody ... only, it isn't.

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Posted by: EXON46 ( )
Date: February 21, 2020 04:27PM

I like googling for casseroles. Not just for making. Just to look at the pictures. Is that wrong?

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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: February 22, 2020 10:17AM

it's Wrong if there's a program to end that as an obsession; Google to see if there's a support group in your area or online...

Have U spoken (truthfully) with your PH leaders regarding this? They should be able to assist you.



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Posted by: wwfsmd ( )
Date: February 21, 2020 09:58PM

Do web sites have to snail mail warning stickers for all Utah mormon's computer screens?

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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: February 22, 2020 10:20AM

Not in snail mail yet, but U can DL one thru Mormon.org

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Posted by: Heartless ( )
Date: February 22, 2020 08:22AM

Here's irony for you.

When I accessed the article, across the bottom of my screen was an add for "Naked and Afraid"

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Posted by: LeftTheMorg ( )
Date: February 22, 2020 01:07PM

A great many of the articles published in the general press just aren’t going to provide the public with reality. Most of what gets published now is “popular.” People report what they want to have be true.

Since we have left the church and know of its deceits it would be easy for us to now want to believe that pretty much everything the church teaches or supports is false, and is just lies. That simply is not true.

Face reality: the church teaches some good things and some incorrect things and other things that are just plain lies. We can’t make blanket statements and say it’s all false. Each item must be examined on a case by case basis.

The majority of studies are only published when the results are what the researcher wants to believe. It’s actually Rare for a male researcher to report that porn is having a bad effect.

If you want to know the truth of how porn affects you, you need to look at the actual brain, NOT SURVEYS. Fact: “Several studies have shown porn consumption may rewire the brain, altering its structure and function, and causing addictive behavior to emerge. But are these brain changes a cause for concern?”

“Both having sex and watching porn cause dopamine to be released in the part of the brain responsible for emotions and learning. In fact, it’s the one neurotransmitter that becomes the most active. “The main change is the flood of dopamine….

“It is this neurotransmitter that gives you the desire for self-pleasure, as its levels surge in response to anticipation and expectation. But the brain begins to change as we repeatedly tap into this particular pathway by viewing porn — it becomes desensitized to the effects of dopamine. These effects were shown in a 2014 study published in JAMA Psychiatry, which produced the first-ever brain scans of porn watchers. The German researchers found that the level of changes in the brain correlated with the amount of porn a person watched — the more they watched, the lower the activity was in their brain’s reward centers after sexual images were flashed on a screen.

“This causes the brain to need more dopamine each subsequent time in order to feel the same effects. As a result, it can give a person a reason to watch more porn. Sometimes, however, the brain gets “worn out” and halts the production of dopamine, which leaves the viewer wanting more satisfaction with the inability to reach it,…

“Brains respond to chemical change. When the dopamine is released and there is a sense of pleasure, the primitive brain sends the message to repeat the behavior for the desired feeling,”

“He believes this is why addictions become so difficult to break. People tend to assume this is purely a behavioral issue; however, different brains respond to different stimuli, whether it’s shopping or pornography….

The Pornographic Mind vs. The Addict Mind

“A 2014 Cambridge University study published in the journal PLOS ONE found the ventral striatum — a brain structure that plays a role in the brain’s reward center, aka its pleasure pathways — lit up when an alcoholic saw a photo of a drink. In porn addicts, the study found similar brain activity, but although they wanted porn more, they didn’t enjoy it more….

“Age also seemed to affect the level of brain activity in the ventral striatum while viewing porn. The younger the patient, the higher the activity level in their ventral striatum — this effect was strongest in individuals with compulsive sexual behavior. These findings were especially important, since the frontal control regions of the brain continue to develop into a person’s mid-20s. An imbalance in these regions may increase impulsiveness and risk-taking behaviors in younger patients.

Porn and Brain Size

“The pornographic brain not only mirrors the activity in addicts, it also changes size in a similar way. In the same German study, researchers found that gray matter volume in the right caudate of the striatum was smaller among frequent porn viewers.

Brain After Porn

“While porn is certainly useful in helping us explore and learn about our sexual desires, these studies highlight the potential consequences on the brain of watching too much. For this reason, it’s important to remember moderation is key. “As with anything in life, striving for balance is key,” Schrank advised. “Brains need diversity of activity too.”

SEE https://www.medicaldaily.com/watching-adult-films-alters-brain-activity-similar-drug-addicts-alcoholics-347224

AND https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSF82AwSDiU

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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: February 22, 2020 02:58PM

I agree.

Perhaps this helps explain why sexual addicts & predators act the way they do;


'Joseph Smith'...


just sayin.



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Posted by: schrodingerscat ( )
Date: February 22, 2020 07:00PM

Moderation, yes, obviously.
But what MORmONs do is not moderate, it's sexualizing women's shoulders, which back in the 60's was perfectly acceptable.
How the hell did we get to the point in the 21st Century, 50 years after the sexual revolution, where women's shoulders are considered pornographic?
I go to Maui at least once a year and it's kinda like burning man on the beach, but with kids. Half the people are naked swimming with turtles and dolphins and whales. And the other half are cool with the naked half. Everybody who's naked puts their cell phones and wallets underneath a Tiki God beneath a coconut tree on the beach and nobody steals your stuff, because you're all in the same predicament.
Too bad Utah's not a lot more like Maui.

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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: February 22, 2020 07:43PM

'tourist info Hawaii' has got into the habit of DENYING there are any nude beaches in Hawaii...

please PM me with as specific directions as you can, thanks!!

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Posted by: schrodingerscat ( )
Date: February 22, 2020 07:55PM

GNPE Wrote:
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> 'tourist info Hawaii' has got into the habit of
> DENYING there are any nude beaches in Hawaii...
>
> please PM me with as specific directions as you
> can, thanks!!

There's a whole alternate universe over the lava flow from Big Beach, flowing out of Red Hill on the South West End of the volcano. There's a whole world beyond the 'Do not Venture beyond this point" signs. A much kinder, gentler, more relaxed world.

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Posted by: MormonMartinLuther ( )
Date: February 22, 2020 11:29PM

People please do not mock this. This bill has been the culmination of countless hours spent by our legislature in research not to mention how hard it was trying to push things through. It may have not been pretty - lonely souls in front of dimly lit computers at night like a Ramada Inn themed think tank - but they are just beginning to understand what porn is and how to know it when they see it.

Indeed this is a topic that warrants further inquiry by the public in general. Undoubtedly, I suspect many Utah households will be kept up this very night trying to solve the Porn Question.

Who knows. Some experts say it may take some researchers years before being able come to any certain conclusion. The public just needs to increase their awareness. Maybe just pamphlets that show what is and what is not porn would do the trick. They could even have a toll free number attached to them to call for further assistance. But these have to be at eye level to get people's attention. I don't know how else except just littering the sidewalks with these pamphlets would help increase the awareness.

Really, this is a serious problem! I know we have the homeless to deal with and crime and rampant pollution but by golly we live in 2020 people!

We need to end the Porn Ignorance that is running rampant in our country these days!

(Paid for by the Committee to Not Inadvertently Promote Porn in Utah)

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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: February 23, 2020 06:58AM

If only ChurchCo wasn't so hypocritical about their claims & actions, they'd get more respect & support in everyday life; balance is difficult with different factions pulling at the core; example: Porn Shoulders. Does that help? what about strapless gowns, bikini swimsuits (on females, ja ja)



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Posted by: LeftTheMorg ( )
Date: February 23, 2020 01:47PM

That's true. Balance would certainly help.

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Posted by: OneWayJay ( )
Date: February 24, 2020 05:11PM

What will this do to ART Classes in the Schools and Universities?

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Posted by: MormonMartinLuther ( )
Date: February 24, 2020 06:49PM

OneWayJay it just means more investigation is necessary until we can call it porn yet.

This more than posturing this is miraculous change in progress.

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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: February 24, 2020 06:54PM

METHINKS this is 99.9% PR.

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