You know supplements better than anybody i know. I am trying some new supplements for nerve pain and was wondering if i should expect no real results for a while. Probably a month before anything happens with any supplement as far as showing results right?

There are those who say the results are whatever you can talk yourself into feeling.

Objectivity holds no sway in many, many areas. Cuz if that were the case, Saucie would dump my dumb, brown ass.

So hooray for divergent points of view, y cada quien habla de la feria según le fue en ella!

Faith ... ya gots to have it!



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I BELIEVE they will work. The power of BELIEF even in a placebo. It HAS to work old dog.

Possibly.

To a large extent, it depends on "where" your starting point is.

If your starting point is at a good level already, you can usually feel or see the results fairly quickly.

If your starting point is at a lower-than-good level, then you might also feel or see the results quickly (it often depends on the specific nutrient involved)....but the internal process might also take some time, too (especially if other nutrients are also involved in the biological process of whatever the lack is).

For example: if someone is low on Vitamin C and, as a result of this Vitamin C deficiency, is bruising a lot (assuming that no other disease, disorder, or nutritional lack is involved), then taking Vitamin C will definitely help to begin turning the situation in the right direction--BUT, if the associated factors are also added (in this case: bio-flavonoids, rutin, and possibly vitamin K), then the response will be much quicker, and the results will be stronger (in a good way) and more long-lasting on a cellular level (because all of the necessary associated factors will be available to your body simultaneously, not just one of them).

However (and this is a BIG "however"): bruising can also be a sign of certain cancers, and possibly anemia....so obviously, if you are bruising because you are actually (without your knowledge) developing one of these cancers, or you have anemia, then taking Vitamin C, bioflavonoids, and rutin will not help if the cancer, or the anemia (or whatever), is not ALSO dealt with appropriately. (Definitely: if it should happen to be cancer or something else similarly serious, you need to get to a doctor ASAP).

If you are taking something and it doesn't seem to be "working," the probability is: while you are likely okay on THAT nutrient, there might be other, associated, nutrients you need to pay attention to simultaneously.

Also: if you are doing something harmful (alcoholism, etc.), the supplements will usually help somewhat, but will not ever adequately substitute for the actual physiological cause.

My parents both died of (in large part) end-stage alcoholism, and NO supplements, in ANY amount, would have helped either one of them in any real way--and, in fact, they both DID take nutritional supplements (at least on an occasional basis).



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Are you the same guy who came here before the spinal surgeries? The same guy asking for advice but never taking any?
The same guy asking if crystals would work?
The same guy to whom I’d offered a miracle cure but wouldn’t have it?

Maybe the reason you’re laid up in pain is the pain is trying to teach you something. This goes back to one of my exes. Debilitating pain, no apparent physical cause. Doctors thought she was faking it. She wasn’t. That’s how badly her family had her messed up. If there’s no reason on Earth you should be having that kind of pain, look within. Breathwork. It’s the only clue you need. The pain is your teacher. Begin, grasshopper.

Hopefully you’ll be feeling better after you get the toxins of Mormonism out of your system.



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I don't feel like the same guy. Take that as you will. I still have a few nerve problems that has not been resolved but other than that a different person looks at me in the mirror. The operation or my family does not hold the same edge over me as they once had. Do i still fear life and living for real? Yes, i admit that.

That’s great news. You are discovering you. Professional wrestlers have come back from way more disfiguring injuries than Rusty’s Spinal Cracker. At least look up their stories. Diamond Dallas comes to mind.

I definitely have seen diamond dallas talk about his story in the past. Created his own yoga i think right? And i do where a crystal around my neck haha. I'm a closeted empath. I'm one of them but i do not really claim them as my own yet. I know i will be made fun of more if i come out of the closet fully and embrace being an empath completely. Empaths are different to say the least. I saw myself as a freak not knowing i was an empath for a very long time. I am not even close to being a cultist like my family was. I still don't really know where i belong or who i am. I am still wounded on the inside, the inner child i guess?, and that is why i consistently go to counseling still but it would be nice to have less nerve pain.

Did you see the movie Rango? How does your story end? Whatever way you write it. You are the hero of your own story. When cartoons become better custodians of who we are than our religions, you have to wonder what we need with pompous douche bags.

You are a long way from “you better run, mojito” but you’re still learning how to handle yourself.

Everyone and everything in your life is meant to help you. Seriously, if you’re really an empath then use your breath to connect with your cellular body.

In a perverse way, Mormonism paved the way for self healing. All you have to do now is convince yourself that you deserve it. If the ex I mentioned is any indication, that’s the tricky part.

There is definitely a convincing myself that i deserve a good life that happens every day in my head. All indications of my early life told me that i was a nothing and not even a person to acknowledge in this world. I just don't want to be homeless and that motivates me to work a lot. Maybe i work too much but i have to if i want to get into a new place.

Isn't rango that lizard movie with jonnie deep being the voice actor?

Yes, one of my faves. The scene where he meets the Man with No Name out in the desert. The metaphor for God. Amazing that animators would make that leap. Well, maybe not so much for Jewish screenwriters. You may have to overlook Depp.

I remember liking that movie.

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> I don't feel like the same guy. Take that as you
> will. I still have a few nerve problems that has
> not been resolved but other than that a different
> person looks at me in the mirror.

Wonderful! It suggests to me that a lot of your ailments were LDS-related--stress or something. So the further you get away from LDS, the less LDS-sourced problems (psychosomatic, whatever) will affect you.
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Even so, don't discount conventional medical care. Get checkups, ask questions. If you continue to improve you may find invasive medicine less necessary, with a goal of complete health, as opposed to merely managing chronic symptoms.

> Do i still fear life and living for real?

You say that, but I've sensed a much-improved attitude in your posts. More positive, optimistic, and much--MUCH!--less of the "poor me's." Bravo! Keep at it.

I did recognize that i was affected greatly not just by the religion's actions but my family's actions as well. I was guessing that if i got away from it all totally that i would heal without even doing anything. Was tired of family around me seeing me as mentally ill with no hope. So i disowned them to see if i really am as worthless and mentally ill as they say. And even if i am mentally ill so what, i deserve to try to live a real life just like anyone else without constant rituals forced upon me to oppress my mind. They don't own me even if they think they have the right to own me. Not even God owns me. It is wrong to try to control the mind of a human.

I hope you get good licensing rights on your life’s story.

They can have the rights i don't care. I just want the beautiful woman i think in the end and maybe a couple of kids. I'm getting old babylon i want the family life in the end i think. i am tired of being a loner and i am tired of pain that never goes away. The good part of the story definitely has not ocurred yet. Have not recovered fully nor have i gone head to head with the morg so the entire public can see. I owe them one for one assault in front of church when i was 13 years old. Yes it always stays with me that memory. They humiliated me and absolutely nothing was done about it. They will not win in the end. I will try to win. I am not hiding within myself quite like before. And yes i looked up to movie characters and anime characters as people to admire because i was surrounded by people to definitely not admire throughout most of my life. Movie characters were better people than people in the religion by a long shot.

I just feel like my life would be a lot better if i did not have this nerve pain nagging my neck 24/7. I had a stimulator put in and it worked but the leads moved and now it won't hit one spot on the right upper neck. So i am trying to find other solutions otherwise the surgery has to be redone. My physical pain is legit and not in me head, i was evaluated trust me by a psychologist, although i did have a very rough upbringing which i know is still within my memory. Do i want to forget a large chunk of my memory? Yes. Absolutely.

I guess seeing a doctor is a last resort.

I see the pain doctor but they really don't have a sure way to get rid of nerve pain. Like get nerve pain eliminated or even below 50 percent they have no real sure way. I can get the nerve pain down about 40 percent with their meds but anything beyond that i can't relieve it. Why there is no cure for nerve pain i have no idea. But we got a man on the moon somehow but we just can't find a cure for nerve pain for some reason.

marijuana

Too risky in idaho i feel to do the marijuana thing. Although people have told me it works for nerve pain. I have always been curious about marijuana as an option. Can't cops test you for marijuana in your system? If you get pulled over for some reason. Don't they have a way to test for marijuana?

There are tests (hair protein analysis, for example) that can determine if you've used marijuana over the last weeks or months, but nothing that is scientifically reliable or legally acceptable for present marijuana impairment.

I strongly urge you to avoid. Old goats like Dave and me may have used it decades ago, when it wasn't as potent as modern stuff is, and figure, "Hey, it didn't mess me up so much!" (Well, maybe it did!) The fact is, marijuana has more downsides and risks than benefits. We've had various threads on this, and my post may well prompt weed advocates. But you've got enough issues, Warrior. Why add to them with something that offers fleeting pleasure?

Plant medicines are powerful tools when used with due diligence. Their use should be regulated in a way that harnesses their therapeutic power while protecting against misuse. But thanks to Tricky Dick, we now have a self-medication bonanza with absolutely no FDA oversight.

Imagine if anyone could write their own prescription for antibiotics, psychotropics, opiates, you name it. You would call that a disaster too. It’s not the medicine that’s the problem.

Yea i figure if cbd gave me problems like over-tiredness and being out of it then marijuana would be the same or worse.

Google: nerve pain nutritional deficiencies

Read every section.

Click on every section, because some of the important info is "hidden" until you click on it.

It looks like two or three specific B vitamins (B vitamins are sub-group of vitamins as a whole), plus a couple of other nutritional factors, can possibly help a lot with nerve pain, and may even be involved in nerve healing.

I don't know where you live, but if you can get to a GNC store (or a Vitamin Shoppe, as a possible alternative), then (assuming that it is a corporate store and not a franchise store) you can probably get everything you need with one visit.

If you were here in the San Fernando Valley, I would tell you to go to a GNC corporate store, and then to Follow Your Heart--and between the two, you would likely be able to get everything.

The online alternative is Life Extension: www.lifeextension.com



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I have gone to the GNC store and they had a few things that i read about that helps nerve pain like L-glutathione that i just started using. I've read about nerve pain solutions for a while. I am doing the b-vitamin thing. Just started NAC and L-serine. I just want my neck to feel more normal like everyone elses. Maybe i am getting somewhere with relieving this forever. Not sure.

Alpha-lipoic acid (ALA)

Acetyl-L-carnitine

N-Acetyl cysteine

Curcurmin [this is a component of turmeric, the spice]

"Fish oil"/Omega-3 fatty acids

Vitamin B12 [B-12]

Vitamin B6 [B-6]

Vitamin D

I am taking all of those. Some i just started like N-acetyl-carnitine and curcummin.

I mean i just started N-acetyl-cysteine not carnitine like 5 days ago.

GNC supplements are not regulated. In fact, they've got caught, more than a few times, making false claims and paid fines.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/care-gncs-supplement-guidelines/story?id=30010254

GNC can sell you 99% sawdust and 1% something, and legally tell you it's a beneficial supplement. Most supplement companies are as beneficial as Seminary and Relief Society. See a real nerve specialist, not a pain management quack.

Well i do see a nerve specialist every 3 months and they just prescribe me cymbalta and sometimes give me shots which don't last very long. Cymbalta helps lessen it but does not get rid of it. Maybe the supplements won't do anything you're right. Maybe i just have to deal with it.

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> GNC supplements are not regulated. In fact,
> they've got caught, more than a few times, making
> false claims and paid fines.
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> https://abcnews.go.com/Health/care-gncs-supplement
> -guidelines/story?id=30010254

This article is from 2015, five years ago, and involves supplements made directly from plant components, which turned out not to have those plants in them.


> GNC can sell you 99% sawdust and 1% something, and
> legally tell you it's a beneficial supplement.

This is definitely not a true statement....at all.


> Most supplement companies are as beneficial as
> Seminary and Relief Society.

I do not know what your basis for making this statement is, and you have every right to your own personal opinion.

Supplements ARE regulated, and they ARE required to contain what the packaging SAYS they contain. This is what the issue from 2015 (five years ago) was about.



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Here's an article from 6 months ago. There's no teeth in laws to regulate supplement manufacturers. Utah's Orrin Hatch took millions from supplement companies to NOT pass legislation to protect consumers. There's a reason why so many supplement companies are based in Utah.

https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/articles/2019/05/14/fda-unveils-list-of-suspected-unlawful-ingredients-in-dietary-supplements

Is any of the actual product in the supplement is what i want to know. Like do they put N-acetyl-cysteine in the actual supplement that has N-acetyl-cysteine on the label on the bottle.

They are subject to normal manufacturing (Good Manufacturing Practices) laws even without more stringent FDA oversight.

Whatever you do will require you to believe that you don’t deserve this pain. So unfortunately, you’re back in belief territory. Belief is required for the healing process. You can fix this but it has to be you. Nobody can do it for you.

Always up to me. Never jesus haha i like it.

Maybe a daily exercise plan would help. Jog 2 miles a day and hit the weights. Also be careful how you sleep at night, try not to sleep with a twisted neck.

Don’t know much about supplements, Badass, but I hope they help. I’ll say a few cuss words in your behalf. Da Bone

I think they are doing something. I am able to be kind of a real functioning member of society now i think. Would be nice if i could get the pain a little lower. I have worked on a lot of things boner over the years and i think you would be proud of my progress. Maybe.

No maybes about it, BA!

You’re a survivor of a cult. Sometimes, I think I’m over it and have put the Morg in the rear view mirror. Then, things happen...

But, Badass, I have to listen to my own advice—Mormonism only has power over me if I give it to them. And I refuse to give them anything over me.

Get feeling better my friend!

Its definitely a dark shadow to get rid of thats for sure. The fact that my father was involved in all of it and acted like it was completely normal and that i was crazy bothers me a lot lately. How can someone that chants, does death oaths, and does secret handshakes have the gall or the balls to call me the mentally ill one. No One that is involved in those rituals has the right to call anybody crazy. I'm not even that crazy. I was born in an engulfing cult environment with no way out.

I have bad arthritis in my hands and most of the pain is gone on CBD oil that I buy legally in Utah at a pharmacy. My boyfriend got it for me. They had me on a drug that is hard on my kidneys and I have diabetes. He started using it for his dog as she is almost 10 years old and has a lot of pain and she is a lot better. He is using it for his back pain. He didn't take any today and he could tell.

I had shingles and still have postherpetic neuralgia and I also have peripheral neuropathy from my diabetes and I am on gabapentin. I'm going to try to see if CBD oil is helping it, but I haven't stopped it yet as I can't stand what it does to my foot if I quit taking it, so I have to be in a good place to try not taking gabapentin.

But CBD oil has taken my horrible pain in my hands away. It was so bad, I wanted to chop my hands off.

Nerve pain can get really nasty thats why i want it at a certain level so i can live a more enjoyable life. I tried cbd oil but it made me really tired and out of it. Not sure i want to try cbd oil again. If i could get the pain at 25 percent i think i would be happy with that.

I only take half a dropper 1 time a day and it took me a week to get the pain to go away.

My doctor suggested Lyrica, but I haven't switched to it yet, for my peripheral neuropathy. I am on a really high dose of gabapentin.

It seems that everyone around here in Utah is using marijuana. My son uses edibles for his anxiety and it got him off suboxone, which he was taking for over 10 years for opiate addiction. Your problem is that you drive for your job and that makes it difficult to use it for your job. My brothers and 2 nephews all get it for their anxiety. I wish you could use it. I assume medical marijuana isn't legal in Idaho yet. It is in Utah if you can get a doctor to prescribe it, but the first medical marijuana clinic is just opening or just opened and it is in SLC. There will be more.



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Yea marijuana is not legal here but a friend assumes it will be in a few months but i am not sure if he was just blowing smoke at me. It may be the final state to be legalized. Yea i can't drive being on marijuana. Lyrica i can drive on because i am very used to it. I just want my neck to feel normal for once in my life without lyrica and cymbalta which does not get rid of it fully. I think supplements are a risk worth taking at this point i feel like so i am going for it full force.

A Rx medication for nerve pain is Gabapentin. You might want to ask your doc about it.

Best of luck to you :)

I have been on gabapentin in the past but i switched to lyrica because gabapentin kind of stopped working. Not sure i want to try gabapentin again.

Supplements....... WORTHLESS, except in your mind. I have yet to hear an ad on radio or TV about a "miracle supplement" that did not include the phrase "this product is not approved by the FDA, and is not intended to cure any disease or illness........" Spoken at about 4X normal speed at the end.

Don't waste your $$$. Just eat right...

Not only are they not regulated by FDA (thanks a lot, Orrin Hatch), they are not held to standards for purity, potency and efficacy.

I have had discussions with a pharmacy professor about how frustrating it is when people take all kinds of supplements that end up being a problematic cocktail mixed in with all the other prescription drugs they are taking.

Trials do not include every combination of supplements people might take with their medications. The first step many take to recover is to get off all the stuff they thought might help so it can be determined what is interfering with what. It's hard to evaluate med interference and effectiveness when people are taking who knows what.