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Posted by: anybody ( )
Date: July 14, 2020 08:34AM

Mireille Mathieu singing La Marseillaise

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIxOl1EraXA



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/14/2020 08:36AM by anybody.

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Posted by: Verité ( )
Date: July 14, 2020 09:01AM

France now has one of the highest rates of inherited wealth in the western world. Makes you wonder if the bloodbath of the Great Terror of Robespierre ever achieved anything.

Here are the lyrics of the Marseillaise (French anthem) in English. Draw your own conclusions.
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Arise children of the fatherland
The day of glory has arrived
Against us tyranny's
Bloody standard is raised
Listen to the sound in the fields
The howling of these fearsome soldiers
They are coming into our midst
To cut the throats of your sons and consorts

To arms citizens Form your battalions
March, march
Let impure blood
Water our furrows

What do they want this horde of slaves
Of traitors and conspiratorial kings?
For whom these vile chains
These long-prepared irons?
Frenchmen, for us, ah! What outrage
What methods must be taken?
It is us they dare plan
To return to the old slavery!

What! These foreign cohorts!
They would make laws in our courts!
What! These mercenary phalanxes
Would cut down our warrior sons
Good Lord! By chained hands
Our brow would yield under the yoke
The vile despots would have themselves be
The masters of destiny

Tremble, tyrants and traitors
The shame of all good men
Tremble! Your parricidal schemes
Will receive their just reward
Against you we are all soldiers
If they fall, our young heros
France will bear new ones
Ready to join the fight against you

Frenchmen, as magnanimous warriors
Bear or hold back your blows
Spare these sad victims
That they regret taking up arms against us
But not these bloody despots
These accomplices of Bouillé
All these tigers who pitilessly
Ripped out their mothers' wombs

We too shall enlist
When our elders' time has come
To add to the list of deeds
Inscribed upon their tombs
We are much less jealous of surviving them
Than of sharing their coffins
We shall have the sublime pride
Of avenging or joining them

Drive on sacred patriotism
Support our avenging arms
Liberty, cherished liberty
Join the struggle with your defenders
Under our flags, let victory
Hurry to your manly tone
So that in death your enemies
See your triumph and our glory!

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Posted by: D’Artagnan ( )
Date: July 14, 2020 10:44AM

Here’s a verse you forgot:

“Va te faire enculer.”

To be sung multiple times hourly to the tune of your choice while looking in a mirror.

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Posted by: Soft Machine ( )
Date: July 14, 2020 12:39PM


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Posted by: Verité ( )
Date: July 14, 2020 12:43PM

Weak schoolyard humor. Doesn't exactly invalidate the original point does it?

The French anthem sounds great. Its lyrical content is surprisingly violent.

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Posted by: Soft Machine ( )
Date: July 14, 2020 12:49PM

... My excuse is I've been around Elderolddog for too long ;-).

Actually, as you can see below, I agree with you. It's something of an anomaly in the "pays des droits de l'homme", indeed.

Tom in Paris

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Posted by: kentish ( )
Date: July 14, 2020 10:54AM

Words or no words it is a rousing anthem. Probably top of the anthem charts.

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Posted by: Soft Machine ( )
Date: July 14, 2020 12:42PM

It's a battle hymn, dating from when most of the crowned heads of Europe were trying to stamp out the revolution (and incidentally take over France).

Vérité is right, though, it IS very bloodthirsty. At least it talks about the nation and its people. God Save The King/Queen basically only talks about the monarch.

Thanks for the thread Anybody :-)

Tom in Paris

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Posted by: Verité ( )
Date: July 14, 2020 01:10PM

Yeah, I always loved the tune. I had a friend at high school who learned all the words for a charity event. I was really surprised by the meaning. (I see it's gotten banned several times in French history. I think they could have done the Russian trick and reworded it).

The Japanese national anthem is also directed at the emperor and the English version is "May your reign
Continue for a thousand, eight thousand generations,
Until the tiny pebbles
Grow into massive boulders
Lush with moss"

I don't think any Japanese emperor has managed ten generations let alone ten thousand.

National anthems often have great tunes and bad lyrics!

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Posted by: kentish ( )
Date: July 14, 2020 06:21PM

Only if you think of the entity of the Crown in terms of individual people. I don't. The institution of the Crown is the essence of Britain, its established way of life. When the Queen, or King, is saved or victorious, doing well etc., then the people are doing well. MV.

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Posted by: Verité ( )
Date: July 14, 2020 12:50PM

kentish Wrote:
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> Words or no words it is a rousing anthem.
> Probably top of the anthem charts.

My favorite is probably the Welsh national anthem. It can be very moving.

The best in terms of tune - but not lyrics! - is the current Russian one. The lyrics to that one, especially during the Stalin era were pretty abysmal. But that tune is incredible. The 1990s anthem by Glinka sounds like "O Canada!"

I prefer "America the Beautiful" to "Star Spangled Banner". Both the lyrics and the tune.

Worst anthem? Tough choice. There are a lot of awful ones. My vote goes to some of the anthems in the Gulf Arab countries. Some bad ones there. The Republic of Ireland's anthem has a bit in it which sounds like "Popeye the Sailor Man". I can never get past that.

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Posted by: kentish ( )
Date: July 14, 2020 06:32PM

I agree on the Russian anthem. Very stirring and second after the French anthem. I like the Canadian anthem especially when sung in French. While obviously God Save the Queen is meaningful, best version, I think, was the one performed at the 2012 Last Night of the Proms (on You Tube) there are other songs in Britain that some feel would be more representative or perhaps purely English. I.E. Land of Hope and Glory sung to Elgar's Pomp and Circumstance, and Jerusalem. One I heard recently that touched my heart on You Tube is My England. Bit too modern perhaps. I think America the Beautiful presents a more peaceful majestic side of America

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: July 14, 2020 06:46PM

Jerusalem. . .

Anything by Blake whether rendered as music or not. Sheer vision.

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Posted by: Krntish ( )
Date: July 14, 2020 07:19PM

At the all boys school I went to it was a standard sung on many occasions. It is always featured as part of the sing along at Last Night of the Proms Alasnot featured on TV here but always on YT.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: July 14, 2020 07:42PM

It's hard to imagine the Proms with social distancing.

Probably still fantastic, but still it will now have a World War feeling to it.

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Posted by: JoeSmith666 ( )
Date: July 14, 2020 08:21PM

Every French child learns in school how to speak German.

First phrase is "I SURRENDER".

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Posted by: PapaKen ( )
Date: July 14, 2020 08:50PM

oui!

VIVE LA FRANCE!!

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: July 14, 2020 08:59PM

If it wasn't for France there would be no United States.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: July 14, 2020 11:17PM

The US needed both Great Britain and France to attain independence.

The French push south from Canada was a serious threat to the British colonies, and the Americans had to work hard to persuade the Britons to fight and win the French and Indian War in the 1750s and 1760s.

But once the French were bottled up north of the St. Lawrence and Lake Ontario, the American attitude changed. London wanted reimbursement for the costs of the war, which was fought for the American colonists, and suddenly the latter hypocritically decided that taxation without representation was unjust. In short, they would not pay for what they had demanded of the empire.

Thence arose the Revolutionary War. The Britons could have won that but they were preoccupied with the situation in Europe--primarily the threat posed by France--and hence could not apply their full force against the colonies. It was thus France's presence in Europe rather than overt military support that enabled Washington's armies to prevail.

The balance of power in Europe was critical to the US for the next century as well. It was the need to focus resources in Europe that stopped any of the European powers from intervening forcefully in North America (1812 notwithstanding). Thus Spain relinquished Florida, France ceded the Louisiana Territories, and later the British gave up their position in Oregon. Obviously the British and the French checked each other during the Civil War as well.

So the colonies used the Brits against the French, then the French against the Brits, to achieve independence; and then played several European countries off against each other to maintain and extend that independence. Cynical, yes, but typical of international politics as well.

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: July 14, 2020 11:31PM

Are you forgetting that the French sent their navy to save our revolution ?

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: July 14, 2020 11:44PM

I'm not sure what you mean by "sending their navy to save our revolution."

The French were involved first with secret supply operations, then later with some small military and naval contingents, but most of those engagements were too limited to be influential. Much more important were the war that France fought in support of the US along the British Channel, including an attempted invasion of Britain; in the Caribbean; and even in India. Again, France forced the British to keep the bulk of their forces in Europe rather than deploying them to the Americas.

That was a huge contribution: much bigger, and much more important, than the French machinations in North America proper.

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Posted by: kentish ( )
Date: July 15, 2020 05:43PM

"Unprincipled lot, the French." and "We can't go cap in hand to the French of all people." Chariots of Fire. You can't trust people who interfere in family squabbles.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: July 15, 2020 06:22PM

> "Unprincipled lot, the French."

Yes! A nation whose foreign policy is based on serial betrayals, which is why they became known as Perfidious Albi--

Wait. Scratch that!

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Posted by: Kentish ( )
Date: July 15, 2020 07:05PM

The plea of sore losers lol.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: July 15, 2020 07:19PM

Sore losers all across the continent.

Something about. . . international relations. . . holder of the balance of power. . .

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Posted by: quinlansolo ( )
Date: July 14, 2020 10:22PM

I don't think so. Assholes killed thousands of innocent people.

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Posted by: [|] ( )
Date: July 15, 2020 12:35AM

How many innocent natives did your country kill?

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Posted by: invinoveritas ( )
Date: July 14, 2020 11:10PM

The people have no bread, then "Let them eat cake". Marie probably never really said this, but the quote is attributed to her anyway. I think the whole revolution of France thing started there, a complete lack of understanding and empathy and totally out of touch with the poverty of the populace.

Today, Ivanka said, if the people have lost their job, "find something new". Completely out of touch with the working class populace of America and the plight of folks struggling to make a go.

I never really understood why the people of France cut off the heads of Marie and Louis, but now I get it!

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