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Posted by: thedesertrat1 ( )
Date: September 07, 2020 04:25PM

I hold that if the “Hebrew bible AKA the Old Testament is a fact based history then it must have been compiled from the ancient Sumerian cuneiform annals and legends extant at the time of it's writing. These legends and writings have been embraced, and disparaged, and disallowed by scholars and researchers.
Having studied a number of these translations over the last 20 or so years I have come to the conclusion that they hold water and should be given heavy weight when considering the material which they cover. In particular refer to #1 The Lost Book of Enki #2 The Epic of Gilgamesh and #3 The Enuma Elish.
Understanding these might be of help to us as we recover from the mind control under which we have existed for so long!



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Posted by: Valley Boy ( )
Date: September 07, 2020 04:48PM

The early stuff maybe, the later less so.

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Posted by: thedesertrat1 ( )
Date: September 07, 2020 06:50PM

Valley Boy Wrote:
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> The early stuff maybe, the later less so.
I don't quite understand your comment could you expound upon it?

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Posted by: ziller ( )
Date: September 10, 2020 05:58PM

read your bible OPie ~

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Posted by: macaRomney ( )
Date: September 07, 2020 08:58PM

Very possible. The book of Job is suppose to be the oldest old testament book written some time around Abrahams days, It's about a man from Ur and the land of the Chaldean. Supposedly the same people as the Sumerians or closely related. It's amazing that all this complex imagery could fit on a clay tablet. There's a lot we don't know.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: September 07, 2020 09:16PM

The Book of Job was not Mesopotamian; it was Persian, lifted by the Jews during the Babylonian Captivity in Mesopotamia, where they and the Persians interacted a lot. There were other parts of the OT that were also adopted from Persia/Iran, including "Second Daniel." I put that in quotation marks because that book and others significantly influenced by outsiders were removed from the canonical Bible by the "higher critics" in the 19th century. Job had enough Hebrew stuff in it to make the cut, as it were, but everyone knows that a lot of its elements are Persian.

Abraham is a dubious character as well. There is no extra-biblical evidence that such a person existed in the 2nd millennium BCE; he didn't really enter the Hebrew/Israelite picture until 800 BCE at the earliest, and a lot of academics think that he too came from the Zoroastrian contact in the Babylonian Captivity in the 6th century BCE. That's probably not a consensus view but the lack of historical evidence for Abraham before then surely is.

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Posted by: George Rosso ( )
Date: September 08, 2020 03:47PM

Abraham is mentioned in Egyptian writings from the time of Pharaoh Shoshenq I.

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Posted by: George Rosso ( )
Date: September 08, 2020 03:51PM

On the walls of the Temple of Amun in Karnak.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: September 08, 2020 04:00PM

That is not the consensus view.

But if it is true, that still puts the earliest reference to Abraham at about 930 BCE, which is quite close to what I stated and still over a thousand years too late. Such a great and momentous leader should not fail to leave any mark on history or archaeology for over a millennium, surely.

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Posted by: thedesertrat1 ( )
Date: September 08, 2020 03:17PM

My original premise here was way over condensed. I have been involved in studying translations of ancient Sumerian cuneiform tablets for about 15 years or more.
Using my version of logic I have reached my own conclusions about the authenticity of these tablets, some of which are quite large in size.(the tablets not the conclusions)
It seems to me that whenever new evidence arrises that is contradictory to the current paradigm it gets disparaged, demeaned,disallowed,and disbelieved.
I think that it should be evealuated, considered, and studied.



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Posted by: Heidi GWOTR ( )
Date: September 10, 2020 03:36PM

Are you talking about Sitchin's work, or actual translations?

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: September 10, 2020 03:59PM

Exactly.

It's like going to Joseph Smith to understand cosmology: you end up with words like Kolob and Kokaubeam and nothing else.

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Posted by: Anziano Young ( )
Date: September 12, 2020 05:25PM

Well, sometimes you get a tangentially-related, entertaining scifi series if you wait long enough! Two hundred years or so.

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Posted by: thedesertrat1 ( )
Date: September 10, 2020 04:09PM

Heidi GWOTR Wrote:
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> Are you talking about Sitchin's work, or actual
> translations?
I am an advocate of Sitchen's translations

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: September 10, 2020 04:18PM

Are there any experts whose work you have consulted to validate Sitchin's analysis?

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: September 08, 2020 08:38PM

Good tip, TDR1

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: September 08, 2020 10:35PM

You wanna be tender-mercied again?

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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: September 10, 2020 04:03PM

I want the untenderized kind.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: September 10, 2020 06:09PM

Sounds painful, but to each his own.

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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: September 14, 2020 10:58AM


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