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Posted by: schrodingerscat ( )
Date: October 27, 2020 08:47PM


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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: October 27, 2020 09:00PM

What morals?

I just do what is right; f-q the consequences.


Lemme guess: you agree with Moe deGrass McEinstein, 99% of the time.

Got some handy quotes to preach to us?

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Posted by: Done & Done ( )
Date: October 27, 2020 09:00PM

You have to be kidding.

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Posted by: schrodingerscat ( )
Date: October 27, 2020 09:04PM

IOW what makes you remain faithful to your spouse without religion?
Personally I am like a born again monogamist after the way my 25yr plus 1st marriage ended.
I got my heart broken and don't want that again.
I am attracted to what I see that is good in the world
I follow what leads to abundance and well being, love.
Love is, after all, why we are here.
Balancing between the sun and the moon.
To fulfill our purpose.
I believe my purpose is to live, to experience not only happiness, but joy, tranquility, well being and unity.
I believe we were sent here to connect, create, recreate and collaborate.
I believe I am here to make art, to make the world more beautiful.
I am here to collaborate with my partner.

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Posted by: huge manatee ( )
Date: October 27, 2020 09:17PM

schrodingerscat Wrote:
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> IOW what makes you remain faithful to your spouse
> without religion?

Nothing makes me. I decide.

> I follow what leads to abundance and well being,
> love.

I create my own abundance and meaning

> Love is, after all, why we are here.

Chemicals in the brain explain our existence? That's a new one.

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Posted by: bradley ( )
Date: October 27, 2020 10:32PM

Or chemtrails. Depends on the brain.

Maya means illusion. Are you driving or are you being taken for a ride? Maybe I choose my destiny. Or maybe it already happened and I’m surfing the corresponding time wave.

So is OP saying religious people need someone to tell them not to be stupid? Because it’s not too far fetched for people to decide on their own that being stupid or evil isn’t for them. Contrary to what the police unions would tell you, that’s why society doesn’t disintegrate. Not some thin blue line.



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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: October 27, 2020 10:16PM

Thank you for your list of how special you are.

We are lucky/blessed that you chose to share yourself with us, or as my alter ego, J.W. says, "...serve yourself to us, over-wrought, thus dry and flakey."

What do you think it all means?

And why us? There may be places on the internet that really need you.

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Posted by: Done & Done ( )
Date: October 27, 2020 09:07PM

Your wife must have been pretty gross if the only thing keeping you with her was religion as your first line seems to indicate.

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Posted by: Done & Done ( )
Date: October 27, 2020 09:08PM

I'd like to give a longer answer---again, like last time, but I have an appointment in a few minutes to have my fingernails pulled out and I don't want to miss it and have to reschedule.

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Posted by: Twinker ( )
Date: October 27, 2020 09:14PM

In a word: Literature.

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Posted by: Devoted Exmo ( )
Date: October 28, 2020 09:48AM

Thanks. This singular question in its obsessive iteration is getting old.

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Posted by: Lethbridge Reprobate ( )
Date: October 27, 2020 10:14PM

From dad. Be honest, be kind, work hard. Just like him. He was the son of a man who was none of those things.

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: October 27, 2020 10:38PM

I don't know, Ron!

I think it's suspicious that you aren't offering youtube videos, books, lectures, quotes, etc., etc.

I've got my eye on you, buddy...

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: October 27, 2020 10:43PM

I'm with Sagan, Einstein, and Mr. Tao. Well, I only agree with them 99%.

But there's still time for them to get with the program!

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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: October 28, 2020 12:04PM

Lot's Wife Wrote:
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> I'm with Sagan, Einstein, and Mr. Tao. Well, I
> only agree with them 99%.

This is a dark matter.

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Posted by: donbagley ( )
Date: October 27, 2020 11:01PM

The golden rule covers my morality. Jesus did mention it, but so did many others.

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: October 27, 2020 11:25PM

Idiotic threads of this nature pop up quite regularly.

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Posted by: olderelder ( )
Date: October 28, 2020 12:26AM

What, another god has died? I didn't see it in the news.

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Posted by: Beth ( )
Date: October 28, 2020 12:55AM

https://youtu.be/z_caJmOuPz4

Same song second verse
Baby style and much much worse

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Posted by: caffiend ( )
Date: October 28, 2020 02:40AM

You see, I'm colorblind (seriously!). When offered the choice, I took the blue pill by mistake.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: October 28, 2020 02:42AM

There is a joke there best left for others.

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Posted by: caffiend ( )
Date: October 28, 2020 03:21AM

They voted on the historicity of Christ's teachings and acts by use of colored beads (red, pink, gray, and black). I kept screwing up the proceedings by asking for my bead back because I had "voted" the wrong color.

Sure messed up their "scholarship!"

Edit: Incidentally, I've maintained my CDL license all these years, and have learned how to cheat on the color-blindness test. Is this appropriate to confess on the "where do you get your morals?" thread??



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Posted by: dagny ( )
Date: October 28, 2020 10:53AM

>>>I've maintained my CDL license all these years, and have learned how to cheat on the color-blindness test.

That's not OK. Just when I thought your judgement couldn't get any worse you continue to reveal your lack of concern for others.

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Posted by: caffiend ( )
Date: October 28, 2020 12:13PM

and would be happy to compare driving records with you.

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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: October 28, 2020 12:21PM

But will the robots be better than you when they come?

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Posted by: caffiend ( )
Date: October 28, 2020 01:50PM

I don't believe they've found the Holy Grail yet.

Not only, that a computer-controlled car can't wolf-whistle pretty girls.

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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: October 28, 2020 02:08PM

Nor be distracted by these kinds of things.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: October 28, 2020 03:50AM

My joke was much simpler and cruder.

Actually, I got that from EOD. It's his fault.



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Posted by: Down Under ( )
Date: October 28, 2020 06:47AM


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Posted by: Done & Done ( )
Date: October 28, 2020 09:44AM

I got a free coupon in the mail so I can get some any time I want at half price.

I find your post insulting as it assumes the worst about all of us. You need to let go of this nasty "the natural man is an enemy to god" stance you have going.

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: October 28, 2020 10:46AM

Worse than his stance regarding us is the unending proffer of HIS cure. That only he can cure us might have cute at one time, but boy, that ship has sailed, foundered, sunk and become a navigational hazard.

Of course, that's just an opinion...

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Posted by: schrodingerscat ( )
Date: October 28, 2020 10:47PM

No offense was intended.
If God is not dead to you then I already know where you get your morals and ethics and I wasn't really talking to you, but I welcome your opinion as much as others.
God is dead to me.
I didn't believe Neitzsche when I first read Thus Spake Zarathustra as an 18yo, but 20 years later I would. The first thing I said to myself after 9-11 was, "Neitzsche was right. God is dead."
I have not changed my mind since.
I've been very careful to distinguish between the Judeo Christian, Personal, God, and the impersonal pantheist, 'god' of Spinoza, aka, "Nature" both of which are symbols of something that we cannot really describe with a word.
Some logic or calculus responsible for organizing energy into matter and matter, chemistry and physics into biological life and sustaining life for at least the last 3 billion years running.
That, little 'god' or Nature, is alive and well and maintains the balance on Earth to sustain life.
Or at least it has, over the past 3.8 Billion years.

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Posted by: huge manatee ( )
Date: October 28, 2020 11:03PM

Meet the new testimony. Same as the old testimony.

In the name of Einstein, even the Kaku, Amen

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Posted by: Done & Done ( )
Date: October 29, 2020 09:33AM

Offense does not need not be "intended" to be real. Shallow ignorance aids and abets offense all the time.

I only know one other person in this country who is currently as full of it as you. Have a good hair day.

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Posted by: EXON46 ( )
Date: October 28, 2020 12:11PM

Golden Rule and When in Rome.

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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: October 28, 2020 12:44PM

Where do you derive your morals now that God is dead to you?

E=MC Squared. I derive them from my Ethics = Mind*Consciousness raised by a higher power. This is the power of love.

The power of love is a curious thing
Make a one man weep, make another man sing
Change a hawk to a little white dove
More than a feeling, that's the power of love
Tougher than diamonds, rich like cream
Stronger and harder than a bad girl's dream
Make a bad one good, mmh make a wrong right
Power of love will keep you home at night
Don't need money, don't take fame
Don't need no credit card to ride this train
It's strong and it's sudden and it's cruel sometimes
But it might just save your life
That's the power of love
That's the power of love
First time you feel it might make you sad
Next time you feel it might make you mad
But you'll be glad baby when you've found
That's the power that makes the world go 'round
And it don't take money, don't take fame
Don't need no credit card to ride this train
It's strong and it's sudden, it can be cruel sometimes
But it might just save your life
They say that all in love is fair
Yeah but you don't care
But you know what to do
When it gets hold of you
And with a little help from above
You feel the power of love
You feel the power of love
Can you feel it?
It don't take money, don't take fame
Don't need no credit card to ride this train
Tougher than diamonds and stronger than steel
You won't feel nothin' 'til you feel
You feel the power, feel the power of love
That's the power, that's the power of love
You feel the power of love
You feel the power of love
Feel the power of love

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Posted by: Roy G Biv ( )
Date: October 28, 2020 12:49PM

Morals shmorals! I need to know where to get my science blended with religion and god with nature now that Einstein, Sagan, and others like them are dead!!!!!

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Posted by: wondering ( )
Date: October 28, 2020 12:50PM

Religions make you believe that people cannot be moral or treat others kindly unless you pay money to them.

Only religious people who follow others believe morality is religious.

Free thinkers and critical thinkers know better and make choices.

Read the murder reports. Many murders are religious. Lori Vallow, Chad Daybell, mountain Meadows Massacre, Josh Powell.

They were TBMS and murdered or allegedly murders. Some morals.

Read some books or take a class on critical thinking. You can do it without someone thinking for you.

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Posted by: Elder Berry ( )
Date: October 28, 2020 02:09PM

wondering Wrote:
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> Religions make you believe that people cannot be
> moral or treat others kindly unless you pay money
> to them.

Cut out the middle men. Just worship money and science.

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Posted by: iceman9090 ( )
Date: October 29, 2020 01:07AM

schrodingerscat Wrote:
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> n/t


Atheism and theism don't provide morals.
1. Atheism is just a label. All it means is someone who believes in 0 gods or someone who thinks there are no gods (hard atheism).
2. Theism just means someone who believes in 1 or more gods.

What does morality mean to me: It means rules that society should obey in order to not cause harm to others.
For example, the bible rule that says don't work on the shabath or else we will kill you. That is pretty stupid. The guy working on the shabath is not harming his fellow man. By killing him, that society is committing a very big immoral act.

I think that morality comes from humans and always has. Different cultures have developed their own moral code.
You can look into the Code of Hammurabi if you wish. It is pretty ancient.
Morality ultimately comes from our emotions. We are emotional machines and so are other animals.
For example, when a group of lions put a lot of effort and hunt down a zebra, they get angry when some other lion or hyena comes to try to steal their food. Humans have the same behavior. We don't want another person to steal our things for which we invested time and energy to acquire.

If we had no emotions, then it would not matter to me if you stuck a knife in my throat. We would not be bothered by infections or a broken leg either. So, emotions are important for survival.

The keyword here is that we are EMOTIONAL MACHINES.

So, where does this god get his morals from?

~~~~iceman9090

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Posted by: schrodingerscat ( )
Date: November 21, 2020 08:30PM

iceman9090 Wrote:
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> schrodingerscat Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > n/t
>
>
> Atheism and theism don't provide morals.
> 1. Atheism is just a label. All it means is
> someone who believes in 0 gods or someone who
> thinks there are no gods (hard atheism).
> 2. Theism just means someone who believes in 1 or
> more gods.
>
> What does morality mean to me: It means rules that
> society should obey in order to not cause harm to
> others.
> For example, the bible rule that says don't work
> on the shabath or else we will kill you. That is
> pretty stupid. The guy working on the shabath is
> not harming his fellow man. By killing him, that
> society is committing a very big immoral act.
>
> I think that morality comes from humans and always
> has. Different cultures have developed their own
> moral code.
> You can look into the Code of Hammurabi if you
> wish. It is pretty ancient.
> Morality ultimately comes from our emotions. We
> are emotional machines and so are other animals.
> For example, when a group of lions put a lot of
> effort and hunt down a zebra, they get angry when
> some other lion or hyena comes to try to steal
> their food. Humans have the same behavior. We
> don't want another person to steal our things for
> which we invested time and energy to acquire.
>
> If we had no emotions, then it would not matter to
> me if you stuck a knife in my throat. We would not
> be bothered by infections or a broken leg either.
> So, emotions are important for survival.
>
> The keyword here is that we are EMOTIONAL
> MACHINES.
>
> So, where does this god get his morals from?
>
> ~~~~iceman9090

I quit thinking of god as a he.
I think of god as short for good.
I think of god as Mother Nature, if anything, or just nature, with both male and female aspects, yin and yang.
And they balance out perfectly to equal a super symetrical universe, which you can see everywhere if you look.
And it was right under our noses the whole time.
God is the = in E=mc^2,
Which Einstein originally conceiver as m=E/c^2
Both are equally true,
Because we and all matter for that matter,
exist in a super symmetrical universe
perfectly balanced between matter and dark matter
energy and dark energy
Gravity and radiation
matter and anti-matter
And there is a center.
There is a center to everything
You can see it.
From the singularity inside the black hole at the center of this galaxy and every galaxy, all heading to
the great attractor at the center of our universe
Where we're all headed at 1.4 million mph, like clockwork.
Like clockwork our galaxy spins around out of the black hole once every 230 million years.
Last time it was in this position on the clock, 12 galactic hours ago, dinosaurs were just beginning to crawl up out of the ocean onto land.
Where will life be next time our sun is here, in 230 million years? Like clockwork.
And nothing I do is going to affect that.
And I get to enjoy a ride through that shower of stardust left behind, for a small fraction of that time.
And as the earth spirals around our heliosphere
and we spin around in our magnetosphere,
like a plasma coated bubble gyroscoping through space in 4 directions at once, on a certain path, towards the great attractor, like clockwork, that is what is good and certain.
We should all be able to agree upon that, at least.
Call that, what you will, the way of nature, tao, Mother Nature, but it has little in common with the White Male God on the Sistine Ceiling. That God on the Sistine Ceiling is a cartoon of a super human, invented to intimidate and control the masses into believing that their rulers were divine, thus making it more certain they'd pay their taxes the way the faithful pay their tithes.
And it's worked great ever since.

88% of Trump voters believe he won the election.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/joewalsh/2020/11/19/poll-88-of-trump-supporters-appear-to-falsely-believe-biden-didnt-legitimately-win/?sh=43d0d8907221

They believe he's God.
He believes he's God.
And doesn't give a FUCK about what the media or the networks, all of them, say.
HE says he respects the courts, but so far he's 30-1 in court cases and none of them would have changed the outcome had he won any of them.
I think I know what his end game is.
I just wonder about the end game of the 71million fellow Americans who voted for a white supremacist, sexual predator, who is probably laundering money for the Russian Mob and owes them a hell of a lot of money, which he can't REALLY afford, or he would have shown us his taxes.



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Posted by: Devoted Exmo ( )
Date: November 21, 2020 08:55PM

And most of those who believe Trump is their god are theists. So tell me again about how religion is what drives our morality.

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Posted by: schrodingerscat ( )
Date: November 21, 2020 09:10PM

Devoted Exmo Wrote:
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> And most of those who believe Trump is their god
> are theists. So tell me again about how religion
> is what drives our morality.

I never said religion drives our morality.
I don't believe that. In my experience bad people don't need religion to be bad, but really evil people are attracted to religion and use it to take advantage of people. It's been happening for a long time.

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Posted by: Devoted Exmo ( )
Date: November 22, 2020 07:16PM

I wasn't referring to you specifically, just to the generally accepted wisdom that morality comes from religion and without it you're just a drug addled, murdering gutter whore.

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Posted by: Pooped ( )
Date: October 29, 2020 02:26AM

My parents set my standard for moral behavior without including god or religion in the training. I was not taught to fear god.

When I left religion and god behind, my moral values were still the same as they always had been. As I've matured, a few of my moral behaviors have changed but mostly because I started thinking for myself and no longer having to get approval from others for the way I came to my conclusions about life and living.

As I write this I guess I could say my morals now come from within.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: October 29, 2020 02:31AM

I'm not sure how one can live morally without the divine principles adumbrated in the Bible. I mean, all good conduct is based on God's teachings.

And with that I've gotta go stone my daughter for disobeying me and my husband for eating a cheeseburger.

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Posted by: Tevai ( )
Date: October 29, 2020 09:44AM

So members of global tribes (including our own Native Americans) cannot become moral people unless they become adherents of a Bible-based religion?

Would this also apply to Taoists, Hindus, Sikhs, Zoroastrians, etc.?

Or, very possibly, is the cited cheeseburger your intended /s ?

;)

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Posted by: josephssmmyth ( )
Date: October 29, 2020 10:08AM

God of Mormonism maybe hit the skids long ago, that doesn't mean he sometimes doesn't still live in a former LDS person's head a little bit from time to time. Sort of possibly like scar tissue on an old but healed wound. What you do with that can perhaps make all the difference.
Grateful to be out can really take your far.

I have a messiah his name is Jesus, no no no not those Mormon versions so yeah, realizing they got it all wrong really wasn't that hard. Just a controlling cult I'm simply forever grateful to be removed from.

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: November 21, 2020 09:37PM

Which god is dead to me ? All gods are equally real.

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Posted by: CA girl ( )
Date: November 22, 2020 03:01PM

I think you are presuming a lot. First, that you have to derive your morals from the idea there is a God to reward you or punish you. Second, that because the Mormon idea of God turned out to be a bunch of lies everyone on this board has given up on the idea of God altogether. I refuse to let Mormons and their crap define God and their mistakes color my views forever.

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Posted by: schrodingerscat ( )
Date: November 22, 2020 03:16PM

CA girl Wrote:
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> I think you are presuming a lot. First, that you
> have to derive your morals from the idea there is
> a God to reward you or punish you. Second, that
> because the Mormon idea of God turned out to be a
> bunch of lies everyone on this board has given up
> on the idea of God altogether. I refuse to let
> Mormons and their crap define God and their
> mistakes color my views forever.

I was just repeating a question I've been asked by an ExMo friend who's still a Christian, who believes in God and can't fathom why I don't turn into a mass murdering rapist, now that I no longer believe in his God.
Like I told him, I still believe in god, just not the Santa Claus for adults God. I believe in Spinoza's god, little 'g', aka, Nature.
I know not everybody on this board has given up on the idea of God altogether, but I wasn't asking them, because I know where they'd say they get their morals, from God or the Bible.
But to me, if you base your morals on a 4,000 year old book that commands us to kill our children for cursing, then you should be locked up in an insane asylum to protect your children.

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Posted by: olderelder ( )
Date: November 22, 2020 04:51PM

"Don't harm others" is not a concept that requires a mandate from a deity. Don't harm them physically, mentally, financially, whatever. And while you're at it, don't harm yourself. That really all the moral guidance we need.

But morality gets complicated when some self-appointed authority declares something that harms no one is immoral.

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Posted by: iceman9090 ( )
Date: November 22, 2020 07:25PM

olderelder Wrote:
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> And
> while you're at it, don't harm yourself.

That's not a moral issue. For the rest of what you said, I agree with it.

Morality is about harming others.
For example, a law that says "you must worship me as your god"
and
"Don't worship other gods"
and
"honor your mother and mother"
is not a moral question. It is part of religious dogma.

~~~~iceman9090

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Posted by: macaRomney ( )
Date: November 22, 2020 05:48PM

how about the rights of the unborn? We can't seem to agree on the morals here, hence the 4000 year old book is needed.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: November 22, 2020 06:31PM

Can you show us one place in the Bible (2,500 years old, being generous) that expressly condemns abortion?

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Posted by: Devoted Exmo ( )
Date: November 22, 2020 07:17PM

What about the rights of the born? Sheesh!

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: November 22, 2020 07:24PM

They have the god-given right to be stoned for any number of offenses.

I hope that clarifies things.

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Posted by: Devoted Exmo ( )
Date: November 22, 2020 08:12PM

Nothing but contempt for the living.

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Posted by: dagny ( )
Date: November 22, 2020 07:33PM

God seems to be the cause of most abortions in the form of miscarriages. No one seems concerned about the rights of shed embryos that naturally occur.

Funny how some folks are keen on protecting fetuses but have zero concern for actual babies who are born. It's really about the rights of men to control women.

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Posted by: schrodingerscat ( )
Date: November 22, 2020 08:00PM

dagny Wrote:
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> God seems to be the cause of most abortions in the
> form of miscarriages. No one seems concerned about
> the rights of shed embryos that naturally occur.
>
> Funny how some folks are keen on protecting
> fetuses but have zero concern for actual babies
> who are born. It's really about the rights of men
> to control women.

BINGO!!!
Ding, Ding, Ding, we have a winner!!!

If it was about "Pro-Life" then the "Pro-Life" group would be "Pro-Lives of kids in schools getting shot up by white dudes!" but they're not, they're "Pro-gun" which means, "Fuck those kids! I've got my God given Rights to carry around a weapon of war, even if I'm a crazy psychopath"

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: November 22, 2020 08:07PM

You mean the rights of zygotes ?

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