Date: September 06, 2012 01:16PM
Gorspel Dacktrin Wrote:
> ...it really is a miracle that the leaders of LDS
> ChurchCo have kept so many people so enthralled
> for so long in their organized worship of Joe
> Smith's con-artist fabricated bullshit.
> For example, let's just look at some of the
> inexplicable inconsistencies in the Golden Plates
> On the one hand, Joe has to get his hands on the
> physical golden plates in order to translate the
> ancient text into English.
> But on the other hand, he doesn't really need the
> physical golden plates because he can just see the
> entire text through the brown rock he calls a seer
> stone or, alternatively, through the "Urim and
> Thummim" crystals that reportedly are mounted on a
> But then he also sometimes calls the brown rock
> the "Urim and Thummim" just to confuse things
> Then there's the problem of keeping the golden
> plates safe because they're gold and precious and
> bad guys want to steal them.
> But at the same time, it seems that the angel (or
> at least AN angel) always has them in his own
> custody, which is why the Three Witnesses
> (Witlesses) had to wait for an angel to bring the
> golden plates to them, so that they could do their
> big witnessing thing.
> According to John Whitmer's story about his
> Grandma Whitmer seeing the golden plates, Nephi
> (not Moroni) had the plates in a backpack and,
> after pulling them out and showing them to Grandma
> W., Nephi quickly stuffed them back in the
> backpack and immediately vanished.
> Chronologically, this would probably have been
> around the same time that Joe was going to great
> lengths to hide the plates here and there to
> protect them. Poor Joe going to all that trouble
> while the angel or angels were borrowing them
> anytime they pleased and schlepping them all over
> the place in backpacks.
> According to other tall tales told by Joe and
> Ollie, the golden plates were managed by Moroni.
> So you've got at least two angels, Nephi and
> Moroni, who are running around with the golden
> plates. I wonder if they had angelic check-out
> cards (like in libraries), so that god could keep
> track of who had most recently checked out the
> golden plates.
> So while the angels are obviously still managing
> security for the golden plates, we get strange
> scenarios where Joe, in one instance, has to run
> through the woods with these extremely heavy
> plates to keep them out of the hands of would-be
> thieves and, in another instance, supposedly has
> to hide them in a barrel of beans or something
> like that. So what was that all about? If some bad
> guys actually stole them, wouldn't it just be easy
> as pie for Nephi and Moroni to zap the bad guys
> down and get their precious plates back? Were
> both Moroni and Nephi on vacation and they
> couldn't keep the plates in the angelic vault
> where they usually had them?
> Then there were other times where they were
> supposedly in a box or under a cloth.
> The whole thing is such an obvious bullshit story
> that it is truly painful at times to see adult
> Mormons going along with it.
> I've heard better bullshit stories from drunken
> ignoramuses in bars. At least the drunken
> ignoramuses could catch themselves in the middle
> of saying something that contradicted what they
> had said just a few minutes earlier.
> I mean when I was younger I tried really hard to
> believe because I love my family and I respect my
> TBM parents for so many reasons. But by the time I
> got into my early twenties, after having served a
> mission, it was just so obvious that it was a
> bullshit story made up by a low-budget bullshit
> artist named Joe Smith. I couldn't even try to
> believe anymore and I couldn't pretend.
> It's like trying to believe in Santa Claus to make
> your parents and friends happy. But it's even
> worse. In this story, there are real guys in
> business suits who try to tell you that Santa
> Claus want you to pay TO THEM 10% of your income.
> And then it's even worse than worse when you find
> out that the guy who made up the original bullshit
> story made up similar bullshit stories so that he
> could get into the panties of underaged girls and
> married women.
> I love my TBM friends and family members, but for
> the life of me I just don't see how they continue
> believing these absurd bullshit stories. But, as
> Hinckley might say, that's the miracle of it. It
> could be that this is the miracle that keeps
> Mormons going back for more. They tell
> themselves: "I can't believe that I actually
> believe this @#$%&! There's no reason for
> believing this @#$%&! It's the craziest @#$%& I
> ever heard! It's a miracle that I believe this
> @#$%&. That means it's holy @#$%& and you have to
> believe holy @#$%&. And that's why I believe..."
> BTW, pardon my French here. I don't usually like
> to use the bullshit word without deleting a vowel
> or something. But there really doesn't seem to be
> an adequate substitute adjective for describing
> the ridiculous lies made up by Joe Smith and his
Actually, if I were to pardon your French, you would have to have written it as "boolsheet"
pas besoin de me remercier