They didn’t commit a sin. They are homosexual.

When a Mormon dies, it’s always the wrong one.

+1,000,000

Give it time.

Wonder how many had read "Miracle of Forgiveness"? I know of at least one.

Wonder how many had read "Miracle of Forgiveness"? I know of at least one.


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And the responsibility does lie at the feet of the leaders of the LDS church. My "husband" is gay.

All I wanted to know is that he would be okay, but they told me he was damned if he didn't change. The only thing they've changed since 1983 when I found out he is gay is the "wording." They haven't changed the actual policies other than they aren't damned for being gay, but what are they then? If they act on their feelings, then they are damned. If they marry a woman, they make a huge mess of a lot of lives, but what choices does the church given them? NONE.

And then that horrible children of gays policy and then they changed it without announcing it. I cried for a few months over that policy.

I wanted to make sure my gay boyfriend would be okay and so I married him. Well, he is okay. He has survived. No thanks to the LDS church.

Yea, my father still pretends not to be gay in the religion marrying another butch woman(manly woman) basically. Its a disaster literally to even witness the pretend show going on. I just need to focus on my own life and ignore all of that stuff. Not my business anymore.

If ever there was evil in the world, it's in the religious establishment issuing rules for controlling people's intimate lives. Who do they think they are?

For a church pre-occupied with sex, (polygamy, chastity, masturbation, pornography, adultery, fornication, etc.) is sex that all they can think of with respect to the lives of gay people? Which part of one's body touches which part of another's?

In their stance against same-sex marriage, they claim the power to deny another person the comfort of committed companionship throughout their life - the care spoken of in "in sickness and in health", the joining of their mutual efforts to create a productive life, the joy of celebrations, the quiet affirmation of mutual contemplation, warmth on a cold night, shared adventures, travel, experiences, financial security, legal rights, the opportunity to join efforts to do good together in a challenging world.

No. None of that is important. It's just about sex!



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That title says it all.

I definitely believe in evil based on what I saw and experienced first hand in that operation.

My family has some very dear friends who are older gays. They tell us horror stories of the 1980s and early 1990s when they lost the majority of their friends to the scourge.

The Mormon church was not the cause of those deaths. It was the source of additional emotional pain for the Mormons who died in the epidemic but not for the deaths themselves.

On the other hand the church is directly responsible for the deaths of so very many wonderful people at their own hands. Stuart Matis is but one example of the plague of anguish and suicide for which the church alone is to blame. That tragedy continues today.

I have a nephew who lost both his only two children (young men in their 20s) one year apart just a few years ago. . My wife always sends a mother's day card and we mention the boys often. She did not stop being a mother because they are gone. Too often people tend to tread on eggs around grieving parents, fearing to mention lost loved ones. They have told us that doing so makes it as if they never existed.

People who do bring up my daughter often apologize for bringing it up.

It's always up, I tell them.

My daughter died by suicide 14 years ago.

A broken heart still beats.

Stop being gay or we'll shock your genitalia severely.

I spent all but 2 years of my life outside of the morridor. Of all the people I have known who committed suicide or whose children or relatives committed suicide, the majority were Mormon.

The first people I knew who committed suicide were both young Mormon men: one just after returning from his mission and one in the student ward I attended after my mission. Both were well liked and seemed to have everything going for them and a bright future.

Two BIC women I grew up with in my ward each had a son who committed suicide.

A TBM woman I was friends with in the ward had a sister who committed suicide. She and her sister grew up in the Mormon church and were raised by TBMs.

A good friend of mine drank himself to death after years of being a TBM.

Years ago I heard about a particularly horrible suicide that was announced on the local radio station because it disrupted traffic. The news report disturbed me for years and I often wondered what drove the woman to jump to her death. I found out recently that the woman was a Mormon in the ward I used to attend.

What is it about the Mormon church that leads a person to suicide?

My TBM friend with alzheimer's repeats over and over, "I'm a bad person." I was shocked when I first heard her say it because I used to constantly say the same thing when I was TBM. The woman with alzheimer's is a good and kind person and yet she tells herself she is bad. She has lost so much of her cognitive ability but has held onto that. The Mormon church can be so soul destroying. Maybe that is why some members give in to suicide and so many others have to take antidepressants.

They teach you to think of yourself as a bad person always even if you are a really good person.

My cousin, a forty-year-old Mormon who had never married, hanged himself in his tool shed. He was told what he was expected to do with his life, and he accepted that he was wrong for not pulling it off.

He was born under a curse, the way I see it.

My best friend committed suicide and I did blame the religion to an extent. He was heterosexual though. He was just scapegoated by his family severely like I was in my family.

I feel really bad for anyone who has committed suicide. I have been listening to a lot of the Mormon Stories podcasts lately.

In this one linked to below, a strong case is made to try to get the church to stop publishing the Miracle of Forgiveness, by Spencer W. Kimball. Dehlin explains clearly and with credibility about how this book has caused many people to commit suicide and a disproportionate number of them, committing suicide because they are gay and read this book which led to their suicide. Dehlin bases his arguements on his training as a Clinical Psychologist with a PHD on the subject. Hopefully this information will alleviate some suffering and help everyone to love who they are. There is some good information here for heterosexual too. But the most passionate and compelling arguements seem to be directed at helping gay people to accept and love themselves and their own sexuality instead of needing to repent of it.


https://www.mormonstories.org/podcast/the-miracle-of-forgiveness-why-it-should-be-removed-from-deseret-book-and-how-you-can-help/