Crazy world we live in these days!
In 2 weeks we will lose 1/4 of our department due to their “sincerely held religious beliefs” They have all received religious exemptions due to their Pro-Life beliefs and apparently aborted fetuses were used to test for Covid, so based on those shakey political, not religious, beliefs they will not be allowed to make contact with the public. Given the fact we cannot do our jobs without contacting the public, they will not be accommodated and they will give up good paying jobs with great benefits, that they have all spent > 10yrs working at, to die on this hill.
They’re not anti-vax they are just anti being forced to get vaccinated.
Good thing they don’t live in CA or their kids couldn’t go to school w/o a Covid vax along with 6other vaccines.

Schrodingerscat wrote:

^ 100% of lost jobs in my department are due to abortion.

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Do you mean they were aborted ?

I think he is trying to make aborted the new cancelled.

Yes, that is quite the sub line.

I'm wondering why OSHA didn't get involved. Making fetuses work in an office must be illegal.

hahahahahhahahahhaha Now I can go home happy after a really rough day. Bless you.

I am sorry you had a bad day D&D. Do something nice for you this weekend :)

kathleen Wrote:
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> Schrodingerscat wrote:
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> ^ 100% of lost jobs in my department are due to
> abortion.
>
> **************************************************
> ******
>
>
> Do you mean they were aborted ?

Did you even bother to read the post?
Obviously not.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/01/2021 07:45PM by kathleen.

No need to be snippy, I wouldn't think, especially not with kathleen, who is always so pleasant.

You have to admit that subject line is awkward, at best. My first confused thought on seeing it was that it's women having abortions who are losing their jobs. Seriously.

I didn’t mean to sound snappy, but there’s only so many words you can put in a subject line, which is why it helps to read the post. Obviously my 40something yo co workers didn’t get aborted.
I feel like half the people just want to argue about things here, no matter what the subject is.
It’s not that complicated.
I just never heard that reason until today.
Seems like some made up bullshit to me and I have a tough time not saying so in department meetings with these folks.
It’s kinda nonsense and I’m kinda glad I don’t have to work with them anymore.

schrodingerscat Wrote:
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> I didn’t mean to sound snappy, but there’s
> only so many words you can put in a subject line,
> which is why it helps to read the post. Obviously
> my 40something yo co workers didn’t get aborted.
>

I think kathleen meant that it sounded like the jobs were aborted, not your coworkers.

ETA: thanks a lot, I was forced to commit the horrible crime of explaining a joke.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/01/2021 08:53PM by ookami.

how do you abort a job?

(this is the dumbest discussion on the internet today.)

schrodingerscat Wrote:
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> (this is the dumbest discussion on the internet
> today.)

Don't sell yourself short. You've started a few equally dumb discussions today.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/01/2021 09:26PM by Lot's Wife.

Just when I thought it couldn’t get any dumber you chime in.

Well, I guess you haven't reached menopause quite yet, have you.

Guy, kathleen and I are just going off how you wrote the subject line. You wrote "100% of lost jobs in my department are due to abortions" when a subject line mentioning abortion and foolish coworkers would be much more specific and less (as Brother of Jerry put it) click-baitey. I'm an English major, so I have to give people crap for poor grammar and writing that could be improved.

And, just to clarify: you wrote a vague subject line, insulted kathleen for making a joke, lashed out at folks who made it obvious you have no sense of humor, but *I'm* the stupid one?

Read the post before you respond for Christ’s sake!
How could you possibly think jobs were aborted after reading my post?

Yes, The Cat, it’s a total miscarriage of RfM justice!!

Visions come to mind of the lonely and misunderstood Nietzsche stomping around the mountain lakes near Wagner's estate. . .

Life is so unfair.

Guy, one of the definitions of "abort" is "to terminate prematurely." If the jobs were aborted, they would be terminated prematurely. Do you think that aborting a missile launch involves taking The Football to a Planned Parenthood?

And please stop getting snippy with posters who see your posts as a plea for posters to pay attention to you.

That objection to vaccines is another example of inaccurate, incomplete or erroneous information and/or misunderstanding about vaccine development.

https://immunizebc.ca/ask-us/questions/covid-19/do-any-vaccines-use-aborted-fetuses-ingredient


"Do any of the vaccines use aborted fetuses as an ingredient?"

"Answer":

"No. There are no abortions being done to make any vaccine, including the COVID-19 vaccines. Vaccines do not contain cells from aborted fetuses or other human cells. Human cell lines are used in the early stages of the production of some vaccines. Neither of the approved mRNA vaccines uses human cell lines, but the AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson vaccines do use these cell lines. However, for vaccines that use cell lines, all cells are removed during the purification of the vaccine.

"Two fetuses, both obtained from abortions done by maternal choice in the 1960s, have given rise to the human cell strains used to develop some medications and vaccines. Neither abortion was performed for vaccine development. These two main human cell strains have been used to develop a small number of vaccines. For more information on this topic, please refer to the History of Vaccines website and the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia website for accurate information."

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Even the Pope has said people should get the vaccine. So you'd hope that would be a billion+ people who would follow his lead.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/01/2021 07:29PM by Nightingale.

Thank you NG for looking that up so I didn't have to. The abortion issue is just uneducated (stupid).

I'm surprised the CEOs aren't making a bigger fuss about it and pressuring the politicians to let business go as usual. Here in Utah my company forced white collar people (who are in another state) to vaccinate but the rest of us uneducated, unskilled, diverse skin tones, don't have to. It's good for the bottom line, I guess. We are in the business of making money and our governor is fighting to keep socialism out.

Well, macaRomney, if you were educated in Utah you were compelled to have a number of vaccinations when you were a child. You are therefore a product of socialism.

At what point in your life did vaccinations cease being appropriate and start being socialist?

Lot's Wife Wrote:
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> At what point in your life did vaccinations cease
> being appropriate and start being socialist?

I'm a tad leery of the socialist ones but I've taken all the others. So far, so good.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/01/2021 08:14PM by Nightingale.

The socialist vaccines are great. I've never had better TV reception.

Or had a more magnetic personality.

Ya know, Cat, even for you, this subject line and post is excessively click-baity and confusing/distorted, and that’s really saying something.

    I for one am looking forward to a post-menopausal The Cat . . .

Does anyone else have any particular reason to hope?

Zealots for zygotes

Damn abortions! Texan, are ya'?

Don't worry, they'll find them.

Do you work in lost and found? Where did you find the job?

So if it weren't for abortion, you would have more workers, or less?

Do you not like abortions? Choices? What?

When it comes to abortion, it's "my body, my choice."
When it comes to vaccination, it's "your body, sure, but we know what's best for you."

One choice affects one or two people about a personal matter. The other affects entire communities.

It's a concept that needs frequent repetition obviously.

Not every single matter is completely parallel to every other.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/02/2021 12:49AM by Nightingale.

"your body, sure, but we know what's best for you." say Texas republicans.

When it comes to abortion, it's "my body, my choice."

Not if you are a woman in Texas.

They can always move.

/s

But AZ and other states are already formulating their versions of the TX law. Those great libertarians who comprise what remains of the Republican Party are proving yet again that individual liberty only belongs to those who look and act like them.

If Melania could deliver a public address, we’d all be Peronistas by now. Maybe Lloyd Webber is writing a new song, “Don’t Cry for me, America,” for her to sing when Former Guy returns in glory to the White House in March—I mean August—or is it Thanksgiving?

I’m getting tired of this. Where did I put My Pillow?

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> They can always move.
>
> /s


Not always FAST enough hun...

AND, if Every American mived Every time something was wrong or illegal or harmful, TOO MANY AMERICANS would be moving too much.

It's not as easy as Canada
Which is more united

Nightingale Wrote:
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> They can always move.
>
>/s
Interesting how all those U-Hauls are leaving blue states for Texas. (And Florida. Tennessee is the U-Haul's most popular destination.)

You know what's great about U-Haul trucks.

They move in both directions.

Not to mention that those U-Hauls can change a place, Salt Lake City being a great example.

That's because upscale moves funded by corporations transferring employees/new hires don't use U-Haul. U-Haul is for retirees, people getting divorced or similar life disruptions, like getting laid off, or people otherwise on the lower half of the economic scale, looking for, or needing a fresh start.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/02/2021 02:39AM by caffiend.

True, though that may to be changing in the case of Texas.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-abortion-law-salesforce-employees/

https://news.yahoo.com/fifty-companies-condemn-texas-abortion-125013069.html

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/10/texas-abortion-law-even-more-absurd-practice/620265/

And yes, I realize that those sources are part of the conspiracy.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/02/2021 02:47AM by Lot's Wife.

Numbers chapter 5 in the Bible is a set of instructions about how to perform the holy rite of an abortion potion.

Under the Law of Moses, a married man may have the Levites perform this witch doctor version of abortion on his wife for no reason other than he claims her developing child is not his. It is assumed, because he's a man, that he is not simply being a piece of shit and lying about her.

They made the poison with some bitter ingredients, but the worst ingredient was probably the pathogens in the dirt of the the temple they sprinkled into the drink. The temple was an open air slaughterhouse if you think about it, and sprinkling that dust into a drink and giving it to a pregnant woman was like making her lick random surfaces in a slaughterhouse while telling her that whether or not she contracts a disease that miscarries her fetus is evidence of whether she's a whore and her child a bastard. The Lord will decide via a process of claromancy that requires the mother to play Russian roulette only she's aiming the gun at her own stomach.

Read this chapter in almost any version but the KJV, and then realize that "causes her thigh to rot" is an expression that refers to her genitals. And then tangentially, realize that when Father Jacob wrestled with the Lord and won after grabbing him by the thigh, that's because he had the Lord God Almighty by the balls. People really don't read the Bible before they open their Christian pie-holes.

In the Bible, the women had no rights. She might be a faithful woman, true and upright in every Jewish way. But all he has to do is say that he thinks she's a slut, and she has no recourse. She's at the mercy of the slaughterhouse-licking coin toss.

But this was ok to the ancient Jews, because they did not consider a child to have a soul until it took its first breath According to the Talmud the soul entered at first breath just like Adam (Genesis 2:7). Unless the baby was born prematurely, then it was considered a miscarriage unless it lived thirty straight days on its own. (https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/the-beginning-of-life-in-judaism/)

No one ever said that our young don't matter, but at what point in gestation should they be considered fully legal persons whom the state is obliged to protect like my life or yours? That's a moral question to many people: good for you. But it's actually a legal matter up to American jurisprudence, and the High Court spoke fifty years ago. A woman's right to privacy supersedes concern for the fetus in the earliest stages of pregnancy in the absence of any law specifically defining a zygote as a person. If I understand it correctly, the states always had the right under the ninth amendment to define a human life at conception, but no one has had the balls because it's a legal Pandora's box. Must every miscarriage be considered a potential homicide? You gonna treat it like a dead body right before you flush it down the potty? Really? You gonna draw a chalk outline shaped like a bean and about the size of one too? Very few people argue for late-term abortion, which means that most people agree that the termination of a baby approaching viability is not ok. That is the state of American opinion except for the lunatics thumping the Bible who decided a bean or something less than anything you can see is actually a whole kid with a soul and feelings, people who quote the torah without any idea what the Jews have to say about their own book.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10/02/2021 07:04AM by Cold-Dodger.

You won't get vaccinated because you have stupid, but high moral principles/liberty, but then you think its just fine go around unvaccinated and likely without a mask giving covid to grandma at the grocery store.

squirrely Wrote:
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> You won't get vaccinated because you have stupid,
> but high moral principles/liberty, but then you
> think its just fine go around unvaccinated and
> likely without a mask giving covid to grandma at
> the grocery store.

I don’t get why my co-workers won’t get vaccinated. These are all well educated people with professional Graduate degrees. They’re all really smart people my boss pointed to and said, “do your job like them” when I got hired. But like my Biss said, ‘not taking a vaccine because it was tested on cells from aborted fetuses, to save your life, job and career? That’s just crazy!’



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/02/2021 07:10PM by schrodingerscat.

schrodingerscat Wrote:
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> “But
> like my Biss said, ‘not taking a vaccine because
> it was tested on cells from aborted fetuses, to
> save your life, job and career? That’s just
> crazy!’

Just to point out again that this idea that's going around is inaccurate, misinformed, wrong. As I said, even the pope encourages people to get vaxxed & his church is not in favour of abortion. I wrote in another post where the mistaken fetus objection comes from.

Nightingale Wrote:
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> schrodingerscat Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> ---
> > “But
> > like my Biss said, ‘not taking a vaccine
> because
> > it was tested on cells from aborted fetuses, to
> > save your life, job and career? That’s just
> > crazy!’
>
> Just to point out again that this idea that's
> going around is inaccurate, misinformed, wrong. As
> I said, even the pope encourages people to get
> vaxxed & his church is not in favour of abortion.
> I wrote in another post where the mistaken fetus
> objection comes from.

It's some new bullshit objection every day and they're really just lame excuses for being irresponsible and selfish.

I respect and admire these people and they're going to be hard to replace, but they're seriously making a huge mistake, IMO.

it's getting harder and harder to say I respect people who care more about the stem cells of an aborted fetus than they do about their neighbors, and the elderly, sick people all around them every day.

That doesn't seem very "Christian" to me.

Seems like the opposite of Christ's main commandment, to love your neighbor.

But in their eyes every embryo is a sacred human life more important than the Mother's life and her choices about her life.
And that's a divide that may never be bridged.
I don't know how.
That's for sure.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/02/2021 11:23PM by schrodingerscat.

I'm sorry I chose the wrong word in the subject line.
I know I violated some unwritten cardinal sin around here.
I had written a longer subject line but had to cut it off.
Probably should have said,

My Boss told me, "100% of the reason they're getting fired is because of abortion!"

but there wasn't room for all of that.

I work for a progressive boss, which is great for me, because I'm a progressive. Not so great for all the conservatives I work with, when we have to sit through a hell of a lot of DEI training and mask/vaccine mandates. It's pretty much hell right now working trying to manage the fallout. And now I have twice as much work as I did before. And I get paid the same.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/02/2021 11:29PM by schrodingerscat.

100% of how many ?

3 people.
My department is 12 people.
One of them shares my area of the State, leaving me alone to cover the largest area in the State.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/03/2021 03:52PM by Tevai.

schrodingerscat Wrote:
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> I'm sorry I chose the wrong word in the subject
> line.
> I know I violated some unwritten cardinal sin
> around here.
> I had written a longer subject line but had to cut
> it off.
> Probably should have said,
>
> My Boss told me, "100% of the reason they're
> getting fired is because of abortion!"
>
> but there wasn't room for all of that.
>
> I work for a progressive boss, which is great for
> me, because... Not so great for all the conservatives...
when we have to sit through a hell of a lot of DEI training and mask/vaccine mandates. >

Wouldn't BOTH types of people suffer just the same?

> It's pretty much hell right now working trying to manage the fallout. And now I have twice as much work as I did before. And I get paid the same. >

Tell that to your boss. We can't do much about that. Threaten to quit (like the others could do/ may have done) and maybe they'll listen- especially if you band together (don't just join a band)]... and consider your pay, worth, value, etc.

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>
> Wouldn't BOTH types of people suffer just the
> same?

No, the science deniers are losing their jobs and careers.
Those who accept science get to keep theirs.

> Tell that to your boss. We can't do much about
> that. Threaten to quit (like the others could do/
> may have done) and maybe they'll listen-
> especially if you band together (don't just join a
> band)]... and consider your pay, worth, value,
> etc.

Why? I agree with the Governor’s mandate and think we ought to make vaccines mandatory for using mass transit, going to a restaurant, movie theater, concert or sporting event.
I think we should rename the Covid Virus ‘Darwin’s Revenge’ because 99% of those dying from it were anti-Vaxer’s.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/03/2021 02:55PM by schrodingerscat.

schrodingerscat Wrote:
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> I'm sorry I chose the wrong word in the subject
> line.
> I know I violated some unwritten cardinal sin
> around here.

That's not the problem, as I see it. Rather it's that it's confusing. First, 'abortion' is a hot trigger word (and issue). Second, people tend to read things literally. As I said above, my first impression of the sub line was that you were referring to women at your workplace having abortions. The actual point of your post was that some vaccine hesitant/resistant/refuser employees are objecting to the method used to develop the vaccines. The sub line doesn't reflect the actual content of your post. That's what people are saying, as far as I can see, myself included.

Not that we're supposed to spend time critiquing each other's posts, especially not for grammar, spelling or punctuation. But in this case it turned into a thing and got in the way of your actual point.

But, of course, the bottom line re the topic itself is that people are misinformed or are misunderstanding the methods used to develop the vaccines. Somewhere they've read or heard about "aborted fetuses" being used and this is 100% incorrect.

There are several recent posts here that describe the method. The bottom line is that no fetuses are involved. As I stated, even the pope, who has a lot of influence over many people, in a church that doesn't countenance abortion for any reason whatsoever, has stated that it's OK to get the vaccine. That should be enough for millions of Catholics at least. And, you'd think, that should put the "abortion" misinformation to rest, at least for his followers but hopefully others who are honestly trying to make the best decisions both for themselves and their communities.

So, in that way too, the sub line seems to support the erroneous abortion objection being used by anti-vaxxers.

Even though it turns out you didn't mean any of that, it's how the sub line can be read. That's what people were responding to, myself included.

That's my analysis of that. FWIW. Not a criticism. Just the way I see it, as your further comments seem to indicate that you still don't get it.


> My Boss told me, "100% of the reason they're
> getting fired is because of abortion!"

> but there wasn't room for all of that.

I doubt that a longer sub line in the same vein would have clarified anything, for all the reasons stated above.

Anyway, good luck with whatever the fallout will be there. I am quite surprised that people are willing to lose their jobs over this. It's happening here too, or about to with new mandates kicking in, and it's highly disappointing that nurses are among the refusers. We're already short of nurses so this will make the situation in hospitals worse for patients and other staff members too.

I know it’s a *** excuse and I too can’t believe they’re that determined to get fired over this ***.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/03/2021 04:01PM by Tevai.

That's [part of] the problem: people don't respect one another!

Of course, many don't deserve it... but still-

I like the idea that one initially respects everyone, but then allows those unworthy of respect to identify themselves.

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> I like the idea that one initially respects
> everyone, but then allows those unworthy of
> respect to identify themselves.


That's a great idea... though few practice what they preach
I try not to preach, teach and impeach but not everyone is out of reach.

Workers were aborted ?